Military Surplus Thread - Quality items at low prices or overpriced garbage for LARPers?

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I'm a fan of MREs/humanitarian rations for camping and I just took a chance on a Polish milsurp wool blanket. Milsurp ammo is the bread-and-butter for anyone who owns an AK or a SKS. But sometimes it seems like a lot of surplus stuff is cheap bullshit sold at high prices to military LARPers.

What milsurp items have you bought that you think are a bargain for civilian use? And what do you think should be avoided entirely?
 
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Military surplus is usually aged/archaic but they're nearly always built to last or cheap to repair, if you see something that you can justify using it's a no brainer. Winter clothes tend to be comfy and warm, plus you can wear something else on top so you can still look decent especially if its just olive drab. Wearing full camo outfit from a surplus store makes you look like an angsty teen/LARPer/faggot.
 
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Back when they were $300 I bought a couple of old Soviet tanker NVG (PNV-57E) and converted them to run off 9volt batteries. These fuckers are gen 1+ AND 1k now which is 65% of an AGM 14 so there's no need to bother anymore. Milsurp kinda sucks now so its just a collection thing for me now. I've seen people dye UCP kit (Army riflemen LBE or Airforce ACU) and get nice results. Its cheap and they're available cause every body hates UCP.


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I bought this Austrian army jacket when i was a teenager and thought I was a real cool guy. It's lasted me ten years and is great for camping. Great if you can find it at a good price, doubles up as a poncho (when you unzip the hoodie, the two layers of it split at the bottom and work as a poncho). Warm as hell and really good pockets.

I think milsurp stuff is quality and practical, but it's usually only good for hiking or camping. Especially if it's clothing, you just look like an autist if you wear it in public.

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Surplus is great for trips to the gun range, camping or combat LARP sports like airsoft or paintball. Sometimes governments surplus the most random things that make you wonder how long they were collecting dust. I have a French metal goggles tin that turned out to be from the late 1930’s and now I use it to store some of the WW2 medals and tinnies in my collection.
 
I bought this Austrian army jacket when i was a teenager and thought I was a real cool guy. It's lasted me ten years and is great for camping. Great if you can find it at a good price, doubles up as a poncho (when you unzip the hoodie, the two layers of it split at the bottom and work as a poncho). Warm as hell and really good pockets.

I think milsurp stuff is quality and practical, but it's usually only good for hiking or camping. Especially if it's clothing, you just look like an autist if you wear it in public.

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Exactly. That said stuff like the M65 jacket is literally timeless
Surplus is great for trips to the gun range, camping or combat LARP sports like airsoft or paintball. Sometimes governments surplus the most random things that make you wonder how long they were collecting dust. I have a French metal goggles tin that turned out to be from the late 1930’s and now I use it to store some of the WW2 medals and tinnies in my collection.
Agreed. The KOMMANDO store (cringe name but eh) has a good selection of stuff
 
I like French paratrooper boots from the 1950s. It's kind of like those expensive Red Wings work boots but with a double-buckle gaiter for blousing your pant legs, and much cheaper, like 40 - 60 USD for an unused pair, and you can still find them pretty cheap from French surplus sites or a bit more expensive from American resellers.

The official designation is BMJA Mle 1952 or BMJA Mle 52/59. There were several different manufacturers, all producing identical boots except for the manufacturer-specific tread pattern, but Belle Donne of Grenoble and the French subsidiary of Wood-Milne seem to be pretty common.

In France, this entire category of milsurp boots is called "Rangers", and were a popular surplus item used as hiking and work boots, prior to the proliferation of affordable modern footwear.
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I'm not entirely sure why, but they are still fairly comfortable to wear during hot weather, compared to other leather boots, even during heavy exertion or running.

There is also a later and more common 1960s model called the BMJA Mle 65, which was manufactured up to the early 2000s, but it only comes in black color, which I imagine would be worse for hot weather.

The only bad thing about Ranger boots I found is they can be painful to break in and wear comfortably until you develop calluses on certain part of your foot, especially the Achilles' tendon part of the heel, to the point that the French conscripts had an expression that you break the foot to the shoe, not the shoe to the foot (c'est le pied qui conforme a la chaussure).

Also there is a specific French Army "regulation" lacing technique that makes the boots much quicker to put on and take off, and more secure than a standard lacing and knotting. Surprisingly there is no knot-tying involved - it's weird at first but easy to master.

The leather uppers of the boots are pretty durable and seem like they will last forever, even though they are already decades old. Although I did have to clean and oil/grease the leather on all my boots to recondition it after decades in warehouse storage.

I also like surplus French "pataugas" jungle boots (official designation "chaussures de brousse"), which are very comfortable for hot weather and wet/humid conditions. They have a canvas upper, rubber sole, and hemp insole, which is very breathable and dries quickly if it gets soaked.

I don't think there are any official model number designations for pataugas boots, since there are many different versions and variations made by many different manufacturers, but the most affordable surplus are 1990s - 2000s production runs of older 1970s - 1980s models. These can still be found as low as 20 - 30 USD for a pair. One time I even got a pair for 15 USD, in mint/unissued condition.

I prefer the 1970s type with Ranger-style gaiter and buckles like this type, made by Wissart:
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The pataugas type boots are a popular enough modern fashion and sportswear item that there are some brandname shoe companies like Palladium that specialize in modern production models for regular retail sale, but they are way overpriced and made in China, unlike the cheap surplus ones that were made in France with better material and craftmanship. The modern repros and knockoffs by Chinese companies are even worse.

I like repurposing a lot of other 1950s French surplus gear, like field jackets, trousers, webbing, canteens, musette bags/pouches, etc for workwear since it does have a certain vintage style to it while still utilitarian functional, but the boots definitely stand out above the rest as being better in some respects and way cheaper than the modern retail equivalents.

And I guess there is one other bit of French surplus kit that I find quite useful for workwear: the French paratroopers' Bigeard cap. I know a lot of contractors and people working in the trades just default to a regular ball cap, but I think the Bigeard cap is superior in some common situations.

It has a cloth neck cover on the back, so protects you much better from sun exposure when working outdoors. And the Bigeard cap's visor is softer, shorter, and more steeply angled downward than a regular ball cap's, so if you are working with your head in a confined space, the Bigeard cap allows you to fit your head into much tighter spaces and you can angle a headlamp beam much lower before the visor blocks it. The shorter visor also makes it a bit less vulnerable to strong propwash and updrafts. And unlike a ball cap, the Bigeard is entirely made of soft cloth, so it's easy to fold up and put in a pocket if it's really getting in the way.

The best part is that Bigeard caps are pretty cheap and plentiful all over the world, especially those made from the French CCE or Daguet camo patterns. I bought a batch on sale for something like 2-3 USD each. They look kind of weird and ugly in a lot of surplus dealers' photos, but that's because the surplused ones from the 1990s - 2000s seem to have been oddly folded or crushed in warehouse storage, deforming them. With a little warm water, they can be easily reshaped back to the more conventional shape that you see in photos of French paras.
 
I like some surplus stuff. Got some old norwegian army backpack for shorter camping trips, although I'm thinking about getting an ALICE pack instead. Surplus stuff might be heavier than modern camping gear, but I don't mind the weight. Apparently the Turkish army used ALICE packs as well, as some surplus store is selling various Turkish ALICE packs in a variety of colors. Although I don't want woodland, hiking with non-camo surplus shit already makes you look like a pillock, camo stuff is even worse.
Also love me the basic German army boots, which are decently cheap for being made by Haix and very, very sturdy, and the (non-flecktarn) German army pants. Just as indestructible, comfy, and practical. For summer hiking I'm thinking about getting some jungle boots again, though. I had a cheap knockoff pair once, and I quite liked them. Maybe I'll compromise and get the German tropical boots by Baltes.

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I was considering, at least for shorter summer trips, to skip the tent and sleeping bag and go for tarp and wool blanket, maybe. So I'm looking into those...
 
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The leather uppers of the boots are pretty durable and seem like they will last forever, even though they are already decades old. Although I did have to clean and oil/grease the leather on all my boots to recondition it after decades in warehouse storage.

I also like surplus French "pataugas" jungle boots (official designation "chaussures de brousse"), which are very comfortable for hot weather and wet/humid conditions. They have a canvas upper, rubber sole, and hemp insole, which is very breathable and dries quickly if it gets soaked.

I don't think there are any official model number designations for pataugas boots, since there are many different versions and variations made by many different manufacturers, but the most affordable surplus are 1990s - 2000s production runs of older 1970s - 1980s models. These can still be found as low as 20 - 30 USD for a pair. One time I even got a pair for 15 USD, in mint/unissued condition.

I prefer the 1970s type with Ranger-style gaiter and buckles like this type, made by Wissart:
Very cool. I personally like the old Austrian army boots, the KAZ 03 and it's less lined sibling. Too bad they're getting RARE as now the Austrian Army lets the conscripts take them home... and most do.

The KAZ is fully lined and padded in the collar and shaft


The other one, is either the M59 or a very close sibling, it has an unlined shaft



As for US misurp.... modern stuff, like almost all other modern military boots, are glued together shit, barring the USMC RAT and Expeditionary boot made by Danner I think and the Corcoran Marauder, Tanker and Field boot. All of the Cocoran's are made on the excellent US Army developed Munson last so they're actually made with human feet in mind.
 
Also there is a specific French Army "regulation" lacing technique that makes the boots much quicker to put on and take off, and more secure than a standard lacing and knotting. Surprisingly there is no knot-tying involved - it's weird at first but easy to master.

I wandered what that could be and have now stumbled into the world of boot-lacing autism. Turns out this was exactly the kind of rabbit hole missing from my life.

Please share the technique if you have a name or a diagram. I'm now re-lacing everything I own in a variety of configurations and it's making me way happier than perhaps it should.
 
I wandered what that could be and have now stumbled into the world of boot-lacing autism. Turns out this was exactly the kind of rabbit hole missing from my life.

Please share the technique if you have a name or a diagram. I'm now re-lacing everything I own in a variety of configurations and it's making me way happier than perhaps it should.
Here are 2 videos that clearly demonstrate the lacing technique I prefer for "ranger" style boots:

The most common name for this technique seems to be "Lacage reglementaire" or "Regulation lacing", but the guy in the 1st video calls it "Lacage TTA", which translates to something like "GI Lacing", in the sense that it was the generic technique taught to some French army conscripts.

To me, the advantage of this technique is that you can get the boot on quickly and totally secured with just one hand, and loosen/remove the boot with a similar but slower level of speed.

There is a variation of this technique that hides the diagonal crossing laces behind the eyelets for a cleaner "parade" appearance, but I found that it is much slower and more inconvenient to loosen and remove the boot. I had a hard time finding good quality videos that demo this technique, lots of low resolution and potato cam videos with bad lighting and black laces against black leather, but here is one with a mediocre explanation.

There is a lot of debate in the comments of online instructional videos about which of these 2 styles is the true "regulation" lacing, as it seems that conscripts in different parts of France or in different decades were taught one or the other technique.

For this style of boot, there are other lacing techniques that are demoed in other online videos, like the more popular "commando" lacing. Searching something like "lacage commando" or "lacage rangers" will bring up lots of videos for this type.

Here is an article with some photos and names of other "ranger" boot lacing techniques by the same guy in the first video
 
I'm a big fan of the field Jacket.

I have a US M65 that is quite excellent, though many countries cloned it. 4 pockets, the ability to have an internal liner to keep warm, and the collar has a zipper on it, and has an internal hood you can pull out. It also has a zipper/snaps combo instead of buttons so its very easy to put on and take off.

I also like the Austrian Anzug 03 field jacket as well (its the brownish green one Hop wears). Very comfy, with 4 pockets, and a 5th arm pocket.
 
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Military surplus is usually aged/archaic but they're nearly always built to last or cheap to repair, if you see something that you can justify using it's a no brainer. Winter clothes tend to be comfy and warm, plus you can wear something else on top so you can still look decent especially if its just olive drab. Wearing full camo outfit from a surplus store makes you look like an angsty teen/LARPer/faggot.

Same reason my SHTF carrier is Ranger Green. I'm gonna be running around my neighborhood with an overt carrier I'd rather be mistaken for some plain clothes member of the sheriffs office than an edge lord or even worse a mass shooter.
 
Same reason my SHTF carrier is Ranger Green. I'm gonna be running around my neighborhood with an overt carrier I'd rather be mistaken for some plain clothes member of the sheriffs office than an edge lord or even worse a mass shooter.
The opposite situation with me, my county and the neighboring county, the cops wear solids like ranger green, coyote brown, or black. I had to get multicam.

That said, if you're in the suburbs, aka you can clearly see your neighbor's house from your own, then you're just better off with street clothes. A pair carhart or dickies pants could hold up to wear and tear than your milsurp camo pants.
 
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