Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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VF-1J Armored Valkyrie said:
Ditching PAC-3 also means springing for multiple missile systems to replace all the capability Patriot brings. Buying CAMM or IRIS-T instead would be a serious hit to ABM performance, going for SAMP/T would mean giving up the low-end performance and magazine depth of PAC-2 and PAC-3 CRI.

Switzerland is a joke of a country and their military realistically doesn't serve any purpose compared to their whorish politics, so they can probably get away with buying a less capable Euro or Korean system just to keep up their appearances. The Polish are buying six batteries so that people like the Swiss can keep doing whatever.
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They already have IRIS-T STs in the procurement pipeline for the low-level stuff. If they get a second system with it, it's most likely the NASAMS which they will procure by calling Kongsberg and asking if they can deliver X in timeframe Y. Also, they have spent the past 75 or so years extensively building a sophisticated network of underground facilities for civil defense and other such things that need to be inside a mountain, because of the risk of nuclear war.

You should try reading about what goes on in there rather than rely on Hollywood stereotypes that might have been relevant with reality in 1927. It is low-key one of the most industrialized countries in the world but nobody notices because it's almost all various forms of Mittelstand companies that employ around few dozen people that make extremely specific industrial components and tools that are utterly vital to the global economy because nobody else can match the specs and consistency. They also kept mandatory conscription ongoing to this day so they have a very good understanding of what the military's purpose there is.
 
The Grognard said:
They already have IRIS-T STs in the procurement pipeline for the low-level stuff. If they get a second system with it, it's most likely the NASAMS
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These are good low-end purchases, but none of them are serious equivalents to PAC-2 GEM that carries a much heavier warhead to much further distances. Going Euro or Asian to replace a Patriot order means giving up capability, in any case. That ability for any single Patriot launcher to carry the most relevant mix of PAC-2 for area defense against air-breathing targets with PAC-3 MSI/CRI for ABM and high-end defense is also, again, something that can't be matched by any European missile system.

But again, this is perfectly acceptable to them because they don't ever actually intend to fight anyone, the Swiss are pure practitioners of the Bonobo defense and will readily make love-not-war with an actual foreign invader in Europe as long as their shit doesn't get touched. In fact they have very little capability to do anything else.

The Grognard said:
You should try reading about what goes on in there rather than blah blah blah Euro smug that isn't really relevant to the original point.
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Nah, I really don't think I need to right now. This constant little-bro shit is too good, it's better to not kill the mystique.
 
The Grognard said:
They also kept mandatory conscription ongoing to this day so they have a very good understanding of what the military's purpose there is.
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Keeping conscription BARELY passed a bite decades ago and the Swiss military keeps shrinking.


Now for gear sperging, some see Rhinmettal's XM30 candidate..... The smaller Lynx minus one crew member....

 
Slurgle said:
Is the 50mm an actual requirement from the DOD, or is it just posturing by Rheinmetal?
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The Army has decided that XM913 is gonna be the cannon for any finished MICV. IIRC at some point the requirement was to either use the XM913 as standard or prove the ability to swap to it easily, but by now both remaining options have it as standard, so that's moot.



Last month the office of the Director of Operational Testing and Evaluation released it's annual report, a few things to note there.


GBU-57 MOP and AGM-183 ARRW are released from oversight, meaning DOT/E is confident in their state of development. For MOP, that's not a huge surprise considering recent use and an $100m order to replenish the stockpile. For ARRW, this is a sign that it may have truly escaped death, and now functions properly ahead of full rate production. Another little interesting nugget in the report is that DOT/E considers the AMRAAM electronics upgrades from late 2024 to be fully successful.
 
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Jet JDAM is on testing or how to make a retardedly cheap cruise missile


Ukraine seems to think ARMORED BAWKSES (aka modern M113s) are still very useful and are developing the Skif APC as a better M113


Ukranian Sting anti drone drones are just about fast enough to o intercept jet powered Geran 3s


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So, Ivan has given the Norks some stuff they captured in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure the Fatman in Pyjonjang has more than one Leopard 2 now, and I'm also sure they've picked it apart to figure out the specs of the alloys used in the armor. Not that it'd help them much; their metallurgy is shit. But expect something coming out of it in like 3-5 years, like a different turret design for the tin cans they have right now.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
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So, Ivan has given the Norks some stuff they captured in Ukraine. I'm pretty sure the Fatman in Pyjonjang has more than one Leopard 2 now, and I'm also sure they've picked it apart to figure out the specs of the alloys used in the armor. Not that it'd help them much; their metallurgy is shit. But expect something coming out of it in like 3-5 years, like a different turret design for the tin cans they have right now.
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If there is something they will look at, it's the FCS and stabilizers. Those are the things that would be of most interest, especially if the laser rangefinder is still intact so one can tune their own laser warning systems.
 
Reposting here, got it form the Iran war thread.

Hezzbollah FPV cooks off a Merkava MK4s ammo. Looks the the warhead came down at an angle on the turret roof and the shaped charge jet eventually hit the ammo as it went through the tank. Note the the anti drone grade is really for drone dropped grenades, not FPVs.





Holt shiiiiittt that thing went up like a bonfire. If you don't know, almost all Merkava ammo is in the hull, vs in a turret bustle like an M1. This means when is burns (ahem "deflagrates") it burns into the crew area vs the blow out bustle top like an M1, Leclerc, K2, Type 90, Type 10.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Holt shiiiiittt that thing went up like a bonfire. If you don't know, almost all Merkava ammo is in the hull, vs in a turret bustle like an M1. This means when is burns (ahem "deflagrates") it burns into the crew area vs the blow out bustle top like an M1, Leclerc, K2, Type 90, Type 10.
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And there are still people in the world who will sincerely insist that the Merkava is the greatest tank in the world.
 
Sleazy Car Salesman said:
And there are still people in the world who will sincerely insist that the Merkava is the greatest tank in the world.
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It has been extremely tiring to be in those circles and have to hear it fucking constantly. It lost it's only possible claim to best tank in 2019 when the US started buying hundreds of Trophy sets, and that isn't looking very comfortable anymore either. But if you hang around kikes and try to talk about shit like the ammo layout or the entire rear door with engine forward layout being fucking retarded, you are going to get vacant stares.
 
Falcos_Commisar said:
Reposting here, got it form the Iran war thread.

Hezzbollah FPV cooks off a Merkava MK4s ammo. Looks the the warhead came down at an angle on the turret roof and the shaped charge jet eventually hit the ammo as it went through the tank. Note the the anti drone grade is really for drone dropped grenades, not FPVs.
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Is that even a HEAT round? That looks like some sort of screw in PD fuse.
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