Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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You can say drones are a novelty but some people just struck a major blow to one of Russia's nuclear triads.
Nobody said that though, it's just aknowledgement that a B2 wouldn't have had to rely on a 'major security failure' allowing you to literally ship it into the country unopposed.

You're the one who is coping for how your silver bullet technology needs literal retards as victims and still hasn't faced any real counterdevelopment at all.
 
Nobody said that though, it's just aknowledgement that a B2 wouldn't have had to rely on a 'major security failure' allowing you to literally ship it into the country unopposed.
Not realizing B-2s are coming your way is a major security failure as well. Unless youre thinking B-2s movements from base to base and their logistical train arent tracked.
You're the one who is coping for how your silver bullet technology needs literal retards as victims and still hasn't faced any real counterdevelopment at all.
Its been 11 years since ISIS started spamming the internet with their drone attack videos. Might want to let people know how easily countered these things are so they can finally get around to developing those defenses.
 
Not realizing B-2s are coming your way is a major security failure as well. Unless youre thinking B-2s movements from base to base and their logistical train arent tracked.
This is why you're retarded, there's no equivalence between losing track of a B-2 between it's hangar and your airspace and a foreign intelligence agency shipping attacks around your country like Amazon.

Its been 11 years since ISIS started spamming the internet with their drone attack videos. Might want to let people know how easily countered these things are so they can finally get around to developing those defenses.

WWI tanks, and we haven't even reached AT rifles. You're still at the part where they turned the bullets backwards to make the spalling worse.
 
This is why you're retarded, there's no equivalence between losing track of a B-2 between it's hangar and your airspace and a foreign intelligence agency shipping attacks around your country like Amazon.
Theres 21 of the things. You can bet your ass Russia and China know damn well what bases they are and their movements between them.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/THOR_(weapon)
WWI tanks, and we haven't even reached AT rifles. You're still at the part where they turned the bullets backwards to make the spalling worse.
You cant keep saying these are novelties that will be easily be countered when its been 11 years since their inception and their use and effectiveness has only increased. Reality is not matching your thinking.

Even the US cant deal with them;

 
Theres 21 of the things. You can bet your ass Russia and China know damn well what bases they are and their movements between them.
That's actually correct for once and a big reason why B-21 is what it is, but you're still deliberately missing the point; tracking trips between bases on public shows of force isn't the same as tracking stealth aircraft as they penetrate air defenses. F-35 squadrons get tracked between their bases too, they've still had their way with very dense AD environments in recent years, and B-2s are still supposed to be significantly more difficult to detect in terms of raw radar and IR signatures. Just knowing where stealth bombers are based does not save you from them doing tanker leapfrog from outside drone/missile range into your ADZ to dump a bunch of LO cruise missiles into an area you will not be able to predict.

This was an extremely impressive operation but it was mostly on the skill of the infiltrators in arranging it. Almost any weapon would have done damage smuggled into that situation. Proper stealth aircraft with modern standoff weapons could have done it at practically any time.

You cant keep saying these are novelties that will be easily be countered when its been 11 years since their inception and their use and effectiveness has only increased. Reality is not matching your thinking.

Even the US cant deal with them;


Nobody said that. Drone weapons are making radical successes in an environment where tailored solutions for them are still in development. Killing three people on a base of 350 with one explosion doesn't mean anything.
 
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Almost any weapon would have done damage smuggled into that situation.
An overlooked part of this. A mortar smuggled in the same way for instance would work fantastically as well, the primary difference is that drones are easier to operate over wireless connections and more precise while being more expensive and with far less firepower for the weight and volume. Now using a drone as a forward observer, possibly even fitted with a laser designator for guided mortar shells, with an automated remote control mortar system concealed in a vehicle or building, that would be the best way to launch such an attack in regards to maximum firepower on target. The firing report could certainly be an issue compared to the far more silent launch and possible jinking path of a drone, but this can be mitigated to an extent depending on the situation, and it's a lot harder to shoot down incoming mortar shells than drones.
Now that all assumes you have either operators nearby or a wireless connection, on the other hand rocket launchers have been concealed and used for surprise attack for decades, see the cool rocket launcher trucks used by various totally radical Muslim groups, and of course the Viet Cong and their usage of rockets against many targets far better protected than these sloppily defended Ruskie bases.
A bunch of old rockets launched from a modified container could be accomplished remotely with nothing more than a time activated firing circuit, no local operators or wireless links required whatsoever, just park it in a pre-calculated location and launch. These attacks have always been possible, and have always been done, there is just newer, different technology being used to accomplish them.

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The peak of innovation: Arabs blowing up other Arabs for Arab reasons

Reality is, in a serious total war, which this retarded slav circus is not, all the civilian long range wireless systems are absolutely being turned off and civilian traffic is significantly restricted so attacks like this become much more difficult. Infiltration operations for instance in a hot war between the USA and China probably won't look like this one, that'd be far more conventional commando operations, with the occaisional fifth columnist attacks and industrial sabotages until the internment camps get filled up again.
 
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The SPIW program really was the peak of weapons technology hope for the future. Nothing must have seemed impossible at those times. And then they tested them and it was realized that in fact there are things that are impossible.
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I know a Black Hawk pilot who served in Afghanistan who, when I asked him if he wished he was an Apache pilot, said “Why? The Black Hawk can do pretty much anything the Apache can”.
99% of polled pilots will prefer their own aircraft to any other. Just how it works, no matter how shit the aircraft.
 
but anything with a sufficiently powerful AESA
iirc the EL/M-2080 could be used as a direct energy weapon according to some sources

just fry missile guidance from half a continent away
I'm sure cavalry thought the same about themselves based on the last few thousand years but we saw how quickly they were shown to be irrelevant as warfare evolved during WW1.
cavalry still exist, they just dont ride horses anymore
Massive sci-fi drone swarms are only happening once generative AI weighs at or under 1kg and can be be powered by a ~99 watt hour battery and still allow 20-45 minutes of flight / loiter time.
unless we are talking about large long-range drones (bayraktar, reaper, heron TP), these swarm attacks are a lot more feasible, and even then u won't have the same numbers
100+ is way more range than anyone else has ever launched off a helicopter AFAIK
can't u launch a cruise missile off a helicopter?
 
The SPIW program really was the peak of weapons technology hope for the future. Nothing must have seemed impossible at those times. And then they tested them and it was realized that in fact there are things that are impossible.
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99% of polled pilots will prefer their own aircraft to any other. Just how it works, no matter how shit the aircraft.
SPIW was a bunch of money thrown at the wall that eventually gave us the 40mm grenade family. Ridiculous how we got there, but kino nonetheless. Probably my favorite 40mm grenade launcher has to go to the M79, the bloop tube.
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Would love a 37mm civvie version for fun lol.
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In other news Sub Brief put out a video on the Zumwalts and their upcoming Hypersonic upgrades
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The more I look at the Zumwalt and listen how it got shafted time and time again, the more I love it. Make no mistake, it's a cruiser, especially when it gets the hypersonics, it's just called a destroyer due to congressional procurement shit.

But the tech they put into these ships were insane. Honestly ahead of their time. Stealth making it the size of a small fishing boat, advanced as fuck EW, the guns- WHICH WORKED, the ammo was just too expensive for 3 ships- the Integrated Electric Propulsion, and the radar. They should replace those 30mm Bushmaster guns with the 57mm Bofors they were originally designed for tho with the new tubes taking place of the 155mm guns.
 
can't u launch a cruise missile off a helicopter?
They can and they have, helicopter launched Penguin missiles have done some very impressive things in the past and I always kinda assumed that NSM would eventually be spun off in that direction since it's the rough successor to the Penguin in some ways. But this Red Wolf stuff seems less intended to compete with contemporary cruise missiles and more intended as a more versatile kind of multi-purpose weapon. It feels more like the newer MALD developments than a pure missile; a modular body with different configurations that do both drone and missile things.

The more I look at the Zumwalt and listen how it got shafted time and time again, the more I love it. Make no mistake, it's a cruiser, especially when it gets the hypersonics, it's just called a destroyer due to congressional procurement shit.

I can't help but get this feeling whenever I see the intact #2 guns on the ships coming out of this rearmament. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Even if there aren't enough hypersonics to fill double the amount of tubes, we have put multi-round inserts into larger diameter VLS multiple times. In what universe would useless guns be kept rather than adding VLS space, even if only for more tomahawks?

Nevermind all that bullshit, there are new images I ain't seen yet, both turrets are off.
 
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I can't help but get this feeling whenever I see the intact #2 guns on the ships coming out of this rearmament. It just doesn't make any sense to me. Even if there aren't enough hypersonics to fill double the amount of tubes, we have put multi-round inserts into larger diameter VLS multiple times. In what universe would useless guns be kept rather than adding VLS space, even if only for more tomahawks?

Either adding more missiles would've created unacceptable fire hazards (doubt since that space was designed to hold 750 LRLAP missiles), or they are still holding out hope that the HVP can eventually fill the magazines. I can't think of any other reason thst something would not be done with that equipment, even if only removing the #2 turret to minimize the radar return
Honestly we don't know if they're keeping it or not. I've read articles saying they are and they aren't. If they are though, if anything, they might just put long 155mm shells in it that are unguided but fit the loader. They might have a rocket in the back to give it some extra range. The fact is though they invested a fuck ton in the AGS, it works, it just needs ammo to feed it. That said, they might not. Could just be a preliminary picture I found.
 
Honestly we don't know if they're keeping it or not. I've read articles saying they are and they aren't. If they are though, if anything, they might just put long 155mm shells in it that are unguided but fit the loader. They might have a rocket in the back to give it some extra range. The fact is though they invested a fuck ton in the AGS, it works, it just needs ammo to feed it. That said, they might not. Could just be a preliminary picture I found.
I haven't seen this image till now but it would seem like the writing is on the wall and AGS is dead dead dead.

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Both turrets are off, I guess we'll need to wait and see if that means double the hypersonic tubes or not.
 
I haven't seen this image till now but it would seem like the writing is on the wall and AGS is dead dead dead.

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Both turrets are off, I guess we'll need to wait and see if that means double the hypersonic tubes or not.
Yeah... just look at it bro. Its gone. On the plus side, it's going to be even more stealthy with none of those hull protrusions. Now they just need to replace the 30mm with the 57mm Bofors it was always meant to have
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Both turrets are off, I guess we'll need to wait and see if that means double the hypersonic tubes or not.
I say chuck the old USS Vesuvius style dynamite guns on it, muzzles flush with the deck for maximum stealth. Sneak up to coastline full of pirates or some shit in the middle of the night, launch a massive barrage of heavy shells with no warning using pneumatic cannons, then sail away like nothing happened. That tactic worked against the Spanish in Cuba, should bring it back for the lols. Or maybe use electromagnetic launchers to launch big tubes of explosives with limited report/flash, then they can pretend all that railgun research was actually worth something.
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Madmen even put a dynamite gun in a fucking submarine. Actually seems like a pretty good idea, if somewhat insane.
Pneumatic guns were a big thing back then, I never realized until I researched it how much the Austro-Hungarians used pneumatic mortars in the Great War. I wonder if they'll ever come back as some "new" and "innovative" idea for special forces.
 
Now that all assumes you have either operators nearby or a wireless connection, on the other hand rocket launchers have been concealed and used for surprise attack for decades, see the cool rocket launcher trucks used by various totally radical Muslim groups, and of course the Viet Cong and their usage of rockets against many targets far better protected than these sloppily defended Ruskie bases.
A very ironic element of this is that Russia has long toyed with containerized cruise missiles (Club-K, IIRC), and various nations have raised huge stinks over the entire idea of large container ships with secret Russian cruise missiles moving around international ports. And then this happens.
 
If there ever was an appropriate time for an official statement on the status of PAK DA, it is now. There isn't even an official render yet, let alone a prototype.
 
If there ever was an appropriate time for an official statement on the status of PAK DA, it is now. There isn't even an official render yet, let alone a prototype.
It's more likely that it's one of those projects that have gone into either dormancy due to some obstacle or priorities have shifted towards a different doctrine. That said, if there's a way to introduce it, it would be by having it drop bombs over a target.
 
Time for something different:
The Grumman LLV. THE MAILCAT. You know it, you love it. If you're in the US or Canada, you've seen the Grumman designed mailtruck.
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Can haul 1000 pounds, 4 cylinder engine, can stop and start on gravel, dirt, pavement without breaking like nobody's buisness. It's a logistics machine. Sure it doesn't have AC and is a gas hog, but it's been delivering mail for America for over 30 years. And Grumman designed this beast. Badass.
 
LMAO indeed, Russian military COMPETENCE strikes again because WHO NEEDS HANGARS
I don’t think it’s the norm to keep large bombers in hangers, B-2 excepted. The amount of hanger space you would need would be impossible, look at Barksdale or Minot AFB. We park all of our B-52s outside, I assume it’s the same for the B-1 fleet.

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