Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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Good job pivoting to something you would actually use such heavy ordnance on.
There's nothing wrong with dropping 2000 pounders on backed up convoys, training grounds, bridge and beachheads, any number of different concentrations of targets you would individually consider inconsequential. The entire advantage of dumb bombs with tailkits is that they're cheap and flexible for shit like that.

But please, go on and explain how any of this shit factors into your drone spiel that you've otherwise completely abandoned.
 
Yeah sure whatever man. This has no bearing on your gay little argument.


Again, cruise missiles and ballistics made most of the actual threat. Why are you so gay and dishonest about this? Stop being retarded.
People always do this when a tactic slightly changes or a new somewhat effective piece of technology is being used and is a slight hassle to counter.

People were crying and shitting themselves over IEDs and anyone with a memory longer than 2 years said "oh, you mean like mines? The things we've been training to deal with for 60 years?"

RC IEDs made us put EW jammers on all our vehicles. We got MATVs and RGs and Dashes and all these vehicles to add survivability for the pressure plates/command wires/whatever. It's a cycle. SOF units had Air Force and Navy EW officers and contractors assigned who were dynamically modifying the Dukes code to deal with changes in enemy equipment and TTPs. I don't know if the currently fielded EW systems can be easily programmed to target the typical drone frequency bands but whatever is eventually fielded will certainly have a similar capability.

Same with the airborne systems, like you pointed out. From what I've heard from Strike Eagle WSOs it sounded like a pretty trivial task to use their EW pods and sensor suites to start addressing the drone threat (and IIRC a couple Strike Eagle squadrons won a shit ton of medals for handling one of the Houthi/Iranian drone waves).

There's always going to be faggots like this guy with no understanding of the mission who want to sharpshoot the technology or the tactics but the people providing the solutions are too busy doing their job of responding to the threat to be bothered.

tldr; Asymmetric threats exist, we have to use more expensive stuff than we'd like to counter it sometimes, eventually we'll close the gap and the battlefield will evolve in some other way.
 
There's always going to be faggots like this guy with no understanding of the mission who want to sharpshoot the technology or the tactics but the people providing the solutions are too busy doing their job of responding to the threat to be bothered.
I'm sure cavalry thought the same about themselves based on the last few thousand years but we saw how quickly they were shown to be irrelevant as warfare evolved during WW1.
 
I'm sure cavalry thought the same about themselves based on the last few thousand years but we saw how quickly they were shown to be irrelevant as warfare evolved during WW1.
Cavalry stayed relevant in WW1 at every front where there was maneuver warfare, like the Arabian front and the Russian front. The role certainly diminshed but they didn't become irrelevant to militaries until the mass prevalevance of motorization and portable firepower during and after WW2. As for today, the horse has niche roles and it would be advisable that there's always some guys who understand equestrians just in case they have to be used as an expedient tool.
 
it would be advisable that there's always some guys who understand equestrians just in case they have to be used as an expedient tool.
Like in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene where mule/horse teams were the only way some of those towns and homes up in the mountains were able to get supplies and disaster relief.
 
SOF used horses in Afghanistan IIRC.

Either way, there's nothing really that drones directly replace or make obsolete. As someone said earlier, they're just another infantry tool.
 
Like in the aftermath of Hurricane Helene where mule/horse teams were the only way some of those towns and homes up in the mountains were able to get supplies and disaster relief.
People might also talk shit about how using 4 legged animals as the last kilometer logistical tool in Ukraine, but it makes sense there due to terrain at times not being co-operative for trucks and them being inherently less loud and visible than a truck. Of course, they also can be turned into an expedient meal if the situation does actually become desperate at the front.
 
I'm sure cavalry thought the same about themselves based on the last few thousand years but we saw how quickly they were shown to be irrelevant as warfare evolved during WW1.
Except cavalry still exist. Light scout cavalry have turned to motorcycles, scout helicopters and light vehicles, heavy shock cavalry ride in tanks and IFVs. Hell, even real cavalry forces exist in both SOF as others have mentioned, but also for irregular troops like camel and horse mounted arabs that still ride the old beasts. The issue isn't that horses and camels are ineffective, anything that improves soldier mobility is still useful even if the old days of charging with sabre and lance are actually gone, the issue is that horses and camels are logistical nightmares for the modern army compared to motorbikes and humvees.
The cav did often get BTFO in the west during those early days of WW1, but that was mostly the result of that classic cavalry elan and aristocratic tradition overriding the logic of needing to adapt tactics and equipment to the battlefield reality of modern industrialised warfare. Where properly employed the cavalrymen still provided excellent service, focusing on the failures of a particular tactic/branch/equipment/tactic/nation/etc and ignoring the successes is an easy trap to fall into. That's where we get the current completely polarised autism discourse of people inserting their own politics into military equipment sperging, see the endless current "actually ruzzian and nazi equipment was terrible and the allies designs were all way better" shit from faggots like Lazerpig and his faggot cronies.
Anyway, Horse Soldier:
 
That's where we get the current completely polarised autism discourse of people inserting their own politics into military equipment sperging, see the endless current "actually ruzzian and nazi equipment was terrible and the allies designs were all way better"
Except, a LOT of Nazi gear was mediocre to retardedly overcomplicated.

And a shitload of Soviet gear was so unergonomic to cause issues with the troops riding around in them. See almost all Soviet IFVs and APCs.

Oh and was obsessed with low silhouettes and amphibious capabilities to the detrimental of almost everything else.
 
SOF used horses in Afghanistan IIRC.
Jesus this is seriously one "well ashkually".
Except cavalry still exist. Light scout cavalry have turned to motorcycles, scout helicopters and light vehicles, heavy shock cavalry ride in tanks and IFVs.
Obviously I wasn't talking about mobile troops, I was talking about horse mounted troops which don't exist today in anyway shape or form that they did prior to the 20th century.
 
Jesus this is seriously one "well ashkually".
That wasn't the crux of my argument. I was just throwing it out there.
Obviously I wasn't talking about mobile troops, I was talking about horse mounted troops which don't exist today in anyway shape or form that they did prior to the 20th century.
Again, what are drones replacing? What are they an equivalent to? Horses were replaced because APCs, trucks, jeeps, motorcycles, helicopters, etc. can perform an equivalent function but better (for the most part). Battleships were replaced because carriers and cruisers can do everything they can do but better. Drones can perform similar functions to other systems, but there's shit those systems can do that drones just can't.

Actually, just look at Ukraine. Yes, drones have had a lot of use, but so has everything else. Hell, a lot of the issues on both sides stem from deficiencies in the "everything else."
 
ATGMs/ Anti personnel grenades that can fly, be retargeted in flight, be manually controlled and can be used as pop up ambush mines.

That and near omnipresent reconnaissance platforms.

Drones have ABSOLUTELY killed the scout helicopter
Not really. Drones are still tied to the infantry and can't outrun them or range too far from them. Plus they can't carry SOF guys. Scout helicopters are still faster and much longer ranged and can carry useful munitions without the prerequisite of also being the munitions.

Cavalry is going to get a lot more use from a scout helo than a drone assuming you aren't fighting Iran/Iraq War 2.0 which is what Ukraine is.
 
I would argue the scout helicopter is going to still be useful in the first 72 hours of a conflict and any mobile phase because they also can carry a small amount of people into places other things can't carry them. Though, I would at least try to ensure that they can be outfitted with ATGMs because during times when things aren't mobile, being able to pop behind a forest or a hill and shoot something 5+ kilometers away is going to be their main job.
 
I would argue the scout helicopter is going to still be useful in the first 72 hours of a conflict and any mobile phase because they also can carry a small amount of people into places other things can't carry them. Though, I would at least try to ensure that they can be outfitted with ATGMs because during times when things aren't mobile, being able to pop behind a forest or a hill and shoot something 5+ kilometers away is going to be their main job.
The vast majority of scout helos can carry guided ATGMs. Hell back in the nineties you could slap TOW missiles onto the Kiowa-A and during Desert Storm they did.

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ATGMs/ Anti personnel grenades that can fly, be retargeted in flight, be manually controlled and can be used as pop up ambush mines.
From what I'm finding online, ATGMs seem to be more effective than drones, albeit much more expensive. My guess is drones will supplement rather than replace ATGMs.
That and near omnipresent reconnaissance platforms.
Definitely a massive advantage of drones, basically since day 1. Having a real-time video feed of the battlefield is revolutionary.

Of course, satellites and even spy planes are still useful, especially for stuff well behind enemy lines, but battlefield ISR is definitely a niche drones have and will continue to dominate.
 
From what I'm finding online, ATGMs seem to be more effective than drones, albeit much more expensive. My guess is drones will supplement rather than replace ATGMs.
Depending on the type, FPV drones can have a range in the ballpark of of 20-40 10-20 km. ATGMs have a much lower failure rate and generally better penetration than the typical FPV drone, but the typical shoulder launched ATGM can reach 10-15 km tops, and usually more like 4-8 km. So they're using the drones to destroy the bulk of an enemy force and saving ATGMs for things that actually reach the line of contact and need to explode before they start killing people.
 
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New grenade rifle who dis?

Barrett won the contract for a 30mm grenade rifle aka the XM25 redux.

Uses the new Vortex optic from NGSW (hopefully the recoil won't break it)

Programmable grenades, will probably have an anti drone grenade.
Given how much nerd shit the US Military actually engages in, how long before the guy with the grenade launcher starts getting called Battle Brother?
 
Depending on the type, FPV drones can have a range in the ballpark of of 20-40km. ATGMs have a much lower failure rate and generally better penetration than the typical FPV drone, but the typical shoulder launched ATGM can reach 10-15 km tops. So they're using the drones to destroy the bulk of an enemy force and saving ATGMs for things that actually reach the line of contact and need to explode before they start killing people.
The VAST majority of FPV drones are maxing out at 20km one way and according to both sides it's usually 10km to maybe 15km.

Fiber optic FPV drones are almost all capped at 20km (or 10km) die to the fiber spool taking up too much weight and bulk.

Plus, a lot of wireless drones end up interfering with each other and causing issues. So you're limited on how many wireless ones you can have up at once

If you see Ukrainian videos of failed Russian attacks, the FPV drones usually take out fewer vehicles than artillery or mines.

Massive sci-fi drone swarms are only happening once generative AI weighs at or under 1kg and can be be powered by a ~99 watt hour battery and still allow 20-45 minutes of flight / loiter time.
 
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