Military Equipment Sperging Thread - The Tiger II is a better tank than the M1 Abrams edition

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No, that can't be right. My favorite YouTuber made a video about how cheap a drone that can carry 5 pounds 500 yards at 25 mph is, and therefore a jet that can carry 5000 lbs 500 miles at 1000 mph is obsolete.
Drones are gay anyway. Return to autistic tradition: strapping SNEB rockets to trainer aircraft. 100hp, 12 68mm rockets, 127kn top speed and an insanely based pilot is a formula for legends.
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You don't hear stories about good ol boys getting together to fight random African civil wars anymore, it's a real shame.
 
We'd have to get some Wagner Group people for that.
Wagner is a massive PMC that makes fat stacks of cash. The Biafra babies was Göring's nephew, Carl Gustaf von Rosen, getting a few friends together to blow up Nigerians because they were blowing up too many civilans. Considerably different in scope and story. Those Wagner fellows seem semi-effective, but it's comparing big business to the dying breed of the last true adventurer warriors.
 
Sarcasm aside, the fundamental thing to understand about these little quadcopter drones is they're new infantry weapons. They're lightweight, short range, and carry small payloads. Infantry weapons do not make vehicle-based weapons platforms obsolete, because they can't fill that role. In some cases, they're threats against vehicles, but they're still not vehicles.

The reason no country's military is terminating their tank program due to drones is there are things you can do with a 100+ mm cannon that can deliver rounds at supersonic speed from over a mile away that you cannot do with an infantry-deployed, slow-moving, short-range quadcopter and it is silly to pretend otherwise.

The same is true of jet fighters. An F-35 has an operational range over 1000 miles and can carry 18,000 lbs of weapons. No, a tiny little Amazon quadcopter cannot do anything an F-35 can do. For one thing, it can't shoot down an F-35. It can't even see the F-35, because the F-35 can operate beyond visual range.

Since the drone is an infantry weapon, it means you aren't doing shit with drones if you don't have your infantry deployed. Now, what's your plan to land infantry and build a base if you don't have armor, artillery, aircraft, or these other things that drones supposedly made obsolete?
 
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Sarcasm aside, the fundamental thing to understand about these little quadcopter drones is they're new infantry weapons. They're lightweight, short range, and carry small payloads. Infantry weapons do not make vehicle-weapons platforms obsolete, because they can't fill that role. In some cases, they're threats against vehicles, but they're still not vehicles.
Indeed. The little quadcopter has proven its worth on the battlefield, but it has not turned the battlefield upside-down like some midwits seem to think. Once drones get large enough to carry large payloads they cease to have many of the advantages of the little kamikaze drones we've seen, they start being far more vulnerable to AA weaponry, and detection is far easier. The tiny little drones that are small enough that detection is most difficult are at the point of diminishing returns, there is little that can be done to improve the smallest ones now aside from small incremental changes around cost of production, maximum target effect, improved control systems and extended range. Meanwhile, tanks, infantry equipment, ECM, short range AA and many other forms of equipment have immense improvements that can be made, those are simply a lot slower to appear.
I reckon in particular tanks may well evolve to be far more well-rounded in protection, the Cold War concept of massive bricks of composite frontal armor to protect against ATGMs and enemy tanks worked well for the theoretical battle at the Fulda Gap, but if you want to improve all round protection that's going to need to be sacrificed else tanks will grow to unbelievable weights. Of course if you do that, suddenly those old ATGMs and enemy tanks become much more useful, and the cycle continues.
The military is trying to develop a mid size, cheap, and partially autonomous suicide drone for swarm use with the Artemis program.
>Cheap
highly unlikely, given the glorious procurement programs of today. Also consider the supply chain for all the components needed for a modern drone. There is no way that the supply of drones would ever keep up in a big war if there wasn't a globalist market still functional. The AI stuff is certainly effective in theory, but I'll believe it when I see it, given the computational requirements adding significantly to weight (and therefore size) while greatly draining loiter time due to power draw.
 
Has anyone brought up the BLU-108? This thing is insane. It's a cluster munition but instead of blomblets, it has shaped charges with heat sensors so they can do top down attacks on armored convoys, air fields, buildings, etc.
 

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Has anyone brought up the BLU-108? This thing is insane. It's a cluster munition but instead of blomblets, it has shaped charges with heat sensors so they can do top down attacks on armored convoys, air fields, buildings, etc.
Straight up sci-fi shit.
 
Meanwhile, tanks, infantry equipment, ECM, short range AA and many other forms of equipment have immense improvements that can be made, those are simply a lot slower to appear

And those improvements may not all be armor. Suicide drones, which are basically remote-controlled flying grenades, are hard to detect now because nobody's spent the last 15 years developing countermeasures. It may turn out to be pretty trivial to automatically detect them and jam their control transmitter.
 
I reckon in particular tanks may well evolve to be far more well-rounded in protection, the Cold War concept of massive bricks of composite frontal armor to protect against ATGMs and enemy tanks worked well for the theoretical battle at the Fulda Gap, but if you want to improve all round protection that's going to need to be sacrificed else tanks will grow to unbelievable weights. Of course if you do that, suddenly those old ATGMs and enemy tanks become much more useful, and the cycle continues
Active protection systems and shit like autocannons on remote weapon systems are already being thrown around as ideas against the little quadcopter fuckers. Fact is nothing else can do what a tank can. Militaries aren't giving them up because of faggots with quadcopters. People said the TANK WAS DEAD when ATGM's became widespread. Nope. We adapted to the threat.
And those improvements may not all be armor. Suicide drones, which are basically remote-controlled flying grenades, are hard to detect now because nobody's spent the last 15 years developing countermeasures. It may turn out to be pretty trivial to automatically detect them and jam their control transmitter.
EW will become fucking massive. Frankly I imagine it'll become like naval warfare in a way, where there are hard kill and soft kill systems for things like drones.
 
And those improvements may not all be armor. Suicide drones, which are basically remote-controlled flying grenades, are hard to detect now because nobody's spent the last 15 years developing countermeasures. It may turn out to be pretty trivial to automatically detect them and jam their control transmitter.
There's a microwave technology in development that attacks the electrical components directly, regardless of the type of guidance or control.


I don't wanna sperg too hard about this right now because I don't have the time to track down all the articles, but anything with a sufficiently powerful AESA is gonna have a universal off button for any electronically controlled weapon going below a certain speed that lets it conduct enough microwaves, relatively soon.
 
And those improvements may not all be armor. Suicide drones, which are basically remote-controlled flying grenades, are hard to detect now because nobody's spent the last 15 years developing countermeasures. It may turn out to be pretty trivial to automatically detect them and jam their control transmitter.
Theoretically a simple radio receiver that scans for frequencies commonly used by enemy drones (there are only so many usable radio frequencies after all) and then a large directed microwave emitter could be effective.
 
Not only can 2000lb bombs be used on armored vehicles, they can be used on concentrations of troops, armored vehicles, unarmored vehicles, or any other kind of equipment. It's just a big bomb, the launch platform, tail kit, and fuse are what tailor it to the task
You realize there are purpose built weapons for taking out armored formations that will do the job infinitely better than a 2000 pound bomb right? You use a cbu105 for destroying lots of armor, not a 2000 pound jdam.



Nah. You're at WWI tanks; a radical new solution harnassing ad hoc combinations of other new technologies that all still have their own flaws and inefficiencies to work through, combined with an equally explosive and ad hoc development of countermeasures

Do you not live in the world where the houthis, literal cave dwellers brought the most power fighting force on this planet to a stalemate in the red sea within the past year?

And the houthis did it without a single manner aircraft. All drones.
 
You realize there are purpose built weapons for taking out armored formations that will do the job infinitely better than a 2000 pound bomb right? You use a cbu105 for destroying lots of armor, not a 2000 pound jdam.
CBUs aren't just anti-armor weapons, they're important for airfield attacks and DEAD as well. We can follow this tangent all day, bombs are more versatile than drones in any case.

Do you not live in the world where the houthis, literal cave dwellers brought the most power fighting force on this planet to a stalemate in the red sea within the past year?

Well for one, almost all the Houthi's heavy weapons are made in Iran, not by the cave-dwellers. For two, you're ignoring the ballistics and cruise missiles. And for three, Houthi attacks on shipping have been cut way down anyways. So no. You're living in a fantasy land where these hyperbolic statements make sense.

Also, doubleposting is hella gay.
 
CBUs aren't just anti-armor weapons, they're important for airfield attacks and DEAD as well. We can follow this tangent all day, bombs are more versatile than drones in any case.
Lol I didn't say you only use a cbu105 for destroying armor formations.

I said you would use it over a 2000 pound jdam.

Well for one, almost all the Houthi's heavy weapons are made in Iran, not by the cave-dwellers. For two, you're ignoring the ballistics and cruise missiles. And for three, Houthi attacks on shipping have been cut way down anyways. So no. You're living in a fantasy land where these hyperbolic statements make sense.
We sure showed the houthis taking a year and a half to get a cease fire brokered by a third party.

Handful of drones tying up a carrier battle group and God knows how many other vessels for that long.
 
Lol I didn't say you only use a cbu105 for destroying armor formations.

I said you would use it over a 2000 pound jdam.
Yeah sure whatever man. This has no bearing on your gay little argument.

Handful of drones tying up a carrier battle group and God knows how many other vessels for that long.
Again, cruise missiles and ballistics made most of the actual threat. Why are you so gay and dishonest about this? Stop being retarded.
 
Yeah sure whatever man. This has no bearing on your gay little argument.


Again, cruise missiles and ballistics made most of the actual threat. Why are you so gay and dishonest about this? Stop being retarded.
Ok Mr we use 2000 pound bombs on tanks.
 
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