Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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Logical Fallacies said:
They can't shut up about their superior morality when morality is merely a human invention to stop humans from killing other humans and has no place in nature or survival.
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This actually sounds like a good argument for killing and eating people too, at least if they're tasty.
 
Not that it matters that much because if you're going to sperg about the cruelty as an excuse to justify your arrogance, a reminder that plants also feel pain and give biochemical screams of pain and warning when you harvest them.

Food in general is cruelty.
 
Adamska said:
Not that it matters that much because if you're going to sperg about the cruelty as an excuse to justify your arrogance, a reminder that plants also feel pain and give biochemical screams of pain and warning when you harvest them.

Food in general is cruelty.
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Lmao no they don't they don't even have a fucking nervous system. That shit is pure retardation.

Unless you are seriously buying into this level of lunatic faggotry, just get off with this bullshit.

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AnOminous said:
Except for B12.
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Vegans tend to supplement using foods fortified with B12. One said she used a yeast extract that was fortified with it and it tasted great.

To which I said that's nice but the fact that they need to resort to fortified foods shows that we're not naturally supposed to be vegans. The B12 thing is their biggest issue and a lot instead of admitting it will dismiss it as if it doesn't really matter. And honestly most people wouldn't care about vegans if they didn't act like put upon little bitches.

There are loads of people that are vegan or vegetarian who don't care if you eat meat. It's their choice not to as it's our choice to. When you try to prevent somebody from making that choice you cross the line.
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
Vegans tend to supplement using foods fortified with B12. One said she used a yeast extract that was fortified with it and it tasted great.

To which I said that's nice but the fact that they need to resort to fortified foods shows that we're not naturally supposed to be vegans. The B12 thing is their biggest issue and a lot instead of admitting it will dismiss it as if it doesn't really matter.
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And yet, from a moral perspective, it is the single most important thing. Can humans exist entirely from a vegan diet, and therefore, avoid harming any other living beings? Answer is obviously no. We suffer great harms from not having various trace elements and vitamins from animal sources.

So sensible people at this point would work toward minimizing the harm that results from this. Instead, you have PETA who kidnaps people's pets off their porches and murders them.

And this is the way the world works.
 
AnOminous said:
And yet, from a moral perspective, it is the single most important thing. Can humans exist entirely from a vegan diet, and therefore, avoid harming any other living beings? Answer is obviously no. We suffer great harms from not having various trace elements and vitamins from animal sources.

So sensible people at this point would work toward minimizing the harm that results from this. Instead, you have PETA who kidnaps people's pets off their porches and murders them.

And this is the way the world works.
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Veganism is a 20th century invention. You've had vegetarians for the longest time but guess what? They got their B12 through eggs and dairy. The only way that vegans can exist are in food rich countries like our own.

Put them down somewhere in some impoverished hell hole where food is scarce and see how long their "moral" views last.
 
Phil Ken Sebben said:
Veganism is a 20th century invention. You've had vegetarians for the longest time but guess what? They got their B12 through eggs and dairy.
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That was literally my point. B12 doesn't just exist in a vacuum. Even the holiest of vegans who refuse even to put honey on their cornbread need that shit. And it is not vegan in origin. That B12 shit has some animal origin, so when you pop that multivitamin with B12 in it, guess what bitch? You're participating in animal slaughter.

And let's just say that about factory farming actual plants, too. Lots of animals die just for those corn fields. How many vegans get all bent out of shape about that shit?
 
AnOminous said:
Lmao no they don't they don't even have a fucking nervous system. That shit is pure retardation.

Unless you are seriously buying into this level of lunatic faggotry, just get off with this bullshit.

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I think that poster meant chemical signals plants send to other plants when they are distressed.

Injured plants send chemical signals to neighboring plants ​

It was found that when one plant in the petri dish was injured, the other plant grew more rapidly and developed more lateral roots in an attempt to beef up its defenses. The research team found that the plants did not communicate through soil bacteria; rather, they communicated through airborne chemicals released primarily from leaves. When an injured plant sent signals of distress the neighboring plants were observed to express more of auxin, the growth hormone, which corresponds to a malate transporter (ALMT-1) that draws beneficial bacteria from the soil.
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bot_for_hire said:
I think that poster meant chemical signals plants send to other plants when they are distressed.
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That good old smell-of-fresh-grass-is-how-it-screams, too.
It is baffling how aggresively is any kind of autonomy denied to plants, despite them being more complex than a lot of dot-with-two-wigglers things considered animals. And how they, y'know,

move (pretty noticeably so).
 
Monica Gagliano has done some really interesting work with Mimosa pudica (sensitive plants). In the experiment she would drop the potted plants a few inches, which caused them to fold up their leaves. But after having been dropped several times and nothing bad happening, they would stop responding to this particular action, since it was no longer perceived as a threat. she dropped them at long enough intervals that it wasn't that the plants got tired. She's also done interesting work with pea plants to see if they could come to associate wind with light, and so anticipate that light will come from the direction the wind comes from, and found a connection.

And of course it's long known that plants send out signals to other plants to let the other plants know a certain herbivorous insect is eating them, letting the other plants know to change the composition of their leaves to make them toxic or less palatable to these insects. They also send out chemicals that attract predator insects to eat the insects eating their leaves.

Stefano Mancuso has done really good work assembling a 'dictionary' of the chemical signals sent out by various plants. The last I heard he had figured out what something like 1500 of these signals mean.
 
LateNightMuffin said:
Monica Gagliano has done some really interesting work with Mimosa pudica
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I think I read article either by her or atleast mentioning this experiment (and how those infamous fake ones had soured people up on idea), with author getting upset at how modern scientists would rather rush to prove AI is sapient than do anything, just anything towards studying the plants for any kind of intelligence.
People wish for aliens, but refuse to look into life that is right nearby (even closer than covetous whatever-is-under-the-sea). Boohoo, no central neurous system, bohoo, diffirent chemical makeup, I am a big baby who would not look into possibilities cause anything more simple than a cat must not be truly alive and considering it could be could prove my outlook to be wrong.
 
UnsufficentBoobage said:
I think I read article either by her or atleast mentioning this experiment (and how those infamous fake ones had soured people up on idea), with author getting upset at how modern scientists would rather rush to prove AI is sapient than do anything, just anything towards studying the plants for any kind of intelligence.
People wish for aliens, but refuse to look into life that is right nearby (even closer than covetous whatever-is-under-the-sea). Boohoo, no central neurous system, bohoo, diffirent chemical makeup, I am a big baby who would not look into possibilities cause anything more simple than a cat must not be truly alive and considering it could be could prove my outlook to be wrong.
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Because no matter what you may think, plants are not intelligent life, they can't create shit or use tools, they're barely motile and use incredible simple biomechanics to do anything. We don't look for sapience in trees because it would have been very obvious if they were.
 
Logical Fallacies said:
Most normal people do not feel the need to justify eating meat because they know it's part of the normal human diet. It's vegans who love to force this discourse to justify their one-sided diet. They can't shut up about their superior morality when morality is merely a human invention to stop humans from killing other humans and has no place in nature or survival.
And honestly, if people want to be on the right side of morality so badly, they should be Fruitarians or Breatharians instead of Vegans since plants have a right to life, too.
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It's not 'morality', sweetie. It's the fact that foolish meatcucks like you refuse to get right with mother Gaia. She weeps for us. Climate change is her revenge against a prideful populace. The least you can do is not destroy our animal gender-non-conforming friends.
 
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AnOminous said:
That B12 shit has some animal origin, so when you pop that multivitamin with B12 in it, guess what bitch? You're participating in animal slaughter.
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Technically it's bacterial in origin although I've never heard a vegan complain about killing bacteria.

If you grew your own veggies and didn't wash the dirt off of them you could get some B12 that way. Of course you'd also get whatever chemical runoff, manure, parasites and whatever else was in the ground but you know that's the price you pay of you want to go 100% natural vegan. You take the good with the bad. And yet when was the last time you heard a vegan suggesting they eat dirt or drink from stagnant ponds?
 
bot_for_hire said:
I think that poster meant chemical signals plants send to other plants when they are distressed.

Injured plants send chemical signals to neighboring plants ​

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Yes and even bacteria have ways of communicating with each other. It's called quorum sensing. Infectious bacteria even "deliberately" reproduce for a while in the host and only turn on their disease effects once they're sufficiently numerous. That doesn't give them any moral element, though. It's mindless activity.

Plants do not feel pain. That shit is just wacky nonsense. There is not some entity inside a plant which is screaming helplessly while you eat it. It's a literal fucking vegetable.

Phil Ken Sebben said:
If you grew your own veggies and didn't wash the dirt off of them you could get some B12 that way.
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Why do you even have soil to grow a garden anyway? Why do you even have a lawn? You murdered the animals who lived there, or who could have lived there, and if you want to keep your garden, guess what? You're going to have to drive off hungry animals who want to eat your plants. You goddamn murderer. All they wanted was to eat nothing but the tops of every eggplant you have, completely ruining them, and you deprived them of this pleasure. Zucchini is murder.

Also I'm done apologizing for double posting. Fuck you jannies.
 
AnOminous said:
Plants do not feel pain. That shit is just wacky nonsense. There is not some entity inside a plant which is screaming helplessly while you eat it. It's a literal fucking vegetable.
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The world at large will care about whether or not plants can feel pain shortly after some crazy Jap manages to make an actual factual dryad. "Do plants feel?" won't mean shit until dudes are wondering if she's worth getting dick splinters.
 
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