Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

[AnOminous]

"I'm balls deep in social justice and want to protect minorities at all costs, but indigenous people who live off the land should FUCKING MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE."

Incidentally, driving indigenous people off their native lands is considered a form of genocide. It's a kind of ethnic cleansing. No surprise an SJW would support it.

 

[Fleshy Sanik]

Incidentally, driving indigenous people off their native lands is considered a form of genocide. It's a kind of ethnic cleansing. No surprise an SJW would support it.

Well of course, if you live far to the north you are either a canadian or a swede after all, i.e. one of dem dang dirty whites

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

(catches up on thread)

Oh, it's easy! Just abandon all of your cultural traditions and move thousands of miles away! That'll fix everything.

I think Gary Farmer said it best in Dead Man.

 

[Sanshain]

I only just discovered this thread, and after reading through most of the examples, I find myself genuinely disgusted by the sheer length some lunatics will go to in order to justify their insane theories.

For reference, my family have been dedicated pet-owners literally for generations. My grandparents owned a farm, and today we keep chickens, parakeets, zebra finches (which are currently breeding prolifically), dogs, cats and parrots. Several of our chickens are battery rescues, and I can safely say they have the most 'personality' of all our domestic fowl. Cruelty to animals actively revolts me, and several of our dogs have been rescued.

Despite that, I'm quite happy to eat meat, and regularly enjoy steak and other luxury meat products. I'm also happy to hunt the foxes that routinely try and kill our chickens, though I don't go so far as to try actively exterminating them. Veganism is a commendable ideology, but so-called militant veganism is provably destructive. What annoys me the most is that these type of tumblr fanatics are generally young white city-kids who have no practical experience of the countryside whatsoever. Their attitudes towards animals are painfully immature, and I personally wouldn't trust any of them with being able to take care of a concussed lemming, much less a dog or a cat.

Wow, I totally didn't mean for my first post here to be this aggressive in tone, but damn, militant vegans infuriate me on many levels. Spending most of your life obsessing over a kids' show is one thing, but indulging in reactionary self-hating animal-worshiping ignorance is the kind of stupidity that hurts rather than amuses.

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

I only just discovered this thread, and after reading through most of the examples, I find myself genuinely disgusted by the sheer length some lunatics will go to in order to justify their insane theories.

For reference, my family have been dedicated pet-owners literally for generations. My grandparents owned a farm, and today we keep chickens, parakeets, zebra finches (which are currently breeding prolifically), dogs, cats and parrots. Several of our chickens are battery rescues, and I can safely say they have the most 'personality' of all our domestic fowl. Cruelty to animals actively revolts me, and several of our dogs have been rescued.

Despite that, I'm quite happy to eat meat, and regularly enjoy steak and other luxury meat products. I'm also happy to hunt the foxes that routinely try and kill our chickens, though I don't go so far as to try actively exterminating them. Veganism is a commendable ideology, but so-called militant veganism is provably destructive. What annoys me the most is that these type of tumblr fanatics are generally young white city-kids who have no practical experience of the countryside whatsoever. Their attitudes towards animals are painfully immature, and I personally wouldn't trust any of them with being able to take care of a concussed lemming, much less a dog or a cat.

Wow, I totally didn't mean for my first post here to be this aggressive in tone, but damn, militant vegans infuriate me on many levels. Spending most of your life obsessing over a kids' show is one thing, but indulging in reactionary self-hating animal-worshiping ignorance is the kind of stupidity that hurts rather than amuses.

I regret that I can only give one 'winner' rating to your post.

 

[Abethedemon]

Uploaded from a militant vegan

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=SLZtsMWEKxwUploaded from a militant vegan

Ye Gods and little fishes.

Besides the idiotically hyperbolic theme of their- and believe me, I'm using this word in its loosest sense here- "song", they sound like someone unloading a dump truck full of methed-up kookaburras into a scrap shredder with a pitchfork.

 

[Johnny Bravo]

Spoiler: Eating too many veggies = absolute hatred

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I am speechless.

"re: people killing seals in colder areas for 'survival'. THEY CAN JUST FUCKING MOVE."

These people look like they own a minivan. They can just fucking move!

"Rape was only created because of humans, and is only done to animals because of humans."

Dolphins, ducks, and bedbugs would all like to have a talk with you.

 

[Sanshain]

By the way, I've often heard the vegetarian/vegan argument that eating eggs is basically eating the baby chicken that never was, and therefore no better than slaughtering an adult bird.

However, one thing these people forget is basic avian biology. Freshly-laid avian eggs are completely incapable of developing by themselves without certain conditions being present. A fertilized egg must (in the case of most domestic fowl at least) be incubated for up to fourteen hours before any embryonic development begins taking place. Prior to that an egg is nothing but a lump of organic proteins, completely inert in every meaningful way. Plus, domestic fowl have to be in a certain hormonal state to actually incubate eggs. The colloquial term for this state is 'going broody'. If a hen is not broody, she will not remain sat on a clutch of eggs long enough to trigger embryonic development.

tl;dr: Fresh eggs (or even store-bought infertile eggs) have about as much in common with meat as an apple does. Indeed, I'd say that if a vegan attacks you for eating eggs, you should ask them how they justify eating fresh fruit or tuberous vegetables - which are capable of independent development when picked, and are thus having infinitely more taken away from them than a free-range chicken egg ever will.

Edit: Now I remember what made me think of this, at least vaguely. I recall seeing some absurdest vegan propaganda poster that literally correlated eating eggs to endorsing backstreet abortion clinics. It was years ago, but it's stuck with me ever since.

 

[Owlflaps]

If we stopped relying domesticated animals, those animals would be extinct. In a vegan world, they would have no practical use to humans. Cows are kind of dumb and need assistance in practically everything, and they would likely die out without our help. It would be the same with chickens, pigs, sheep or any other domesticated animal.

It would be the largest, unintentional slaughtering of innocent animals.

How would vegans support this scale of animal suffering?

 

[Alex Krycek]

If we stopped relying domesticated animals, those animals would be extinct. In a vegan world, they would have no practical use to humans. Cows are kind of dumb and need assistance in practically everything, and they would likely die out without our help. It would be the same with chickens, pigs, sheep or any other domesticated animal.

It would be the largest, unintentional slaughtering of innocent animals.

How would vegans support this scale of animal suffering?

The argument generally goes that many of these animals would adapt to their pre-domestic lifestyle - to a certain extent they probably would. Longhorn Cattle and Wild Boar are great examples of what natural selection and life without humans can ultimately produce, that still says nothing for certain other types of animals and even among those who could adapt the overwhelming numbers that would die. It also gives no consideration to how dangerous some of these animals (Wild Boar) can be and how destructive they are in general; they're notorious for tearing up property, killing other animals, and are a danger to any unarmed humans who might wander to close to them.

Hopefully nothing I said implies I'm a Vegan or Vegan sympathizer, proud Bloodmouth here.

 

[Owlflaps]

The argument generally goes that many of these animals would adapt to their pre-domestic lifestyle - to a certain extent they probably would. Longhorn Cattle and Wild Boar are great examples of what natural selection and life without humans can ultimately produce, that still says nothing for certain other types of animals and even among those who could adapt the overwhelming numbers that would die. It also gives no consideration to how dangerous some of these animals (Wild Boar) can be and how destructive they are in general; they're notorious for tearing up property, killing other animals, and are a danger to any unarmed humans who might wander to close to them.

Hopefully nothing I said implies I'm a Vegan or Vegan sympathizer, proud Bloodmouth here.

Lol, no problems here.

It still bothers me to think that Vegans believe that if we ceased eating animals, animal suffering would suddenly cease. While Longhorn Cattle and wild boar are the most likely to survive, there are other animals that are given exceptional treatment everyday. Take for example the Kobe Cow:

Look at that shit. They're feeding the cow beer to taste more delicious. These cows are being messaged 8 hours a day. They're being treated better than most humans, and they're made purely for consumption. I don't think these cows would likely survive in a vegan world. But that's my take on it.

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

The book Guns, Germs and Steel has a very interesting chapter on the domestication of animals, and just why only twelve or so species of mammals/avians have been domesticated out of the umpteen-thousand that are on earth. It covers things like herd/pack mentality, innate aggressiveness of the species, and input/output of biomass. Read as "food in/food out ratio." I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to learn about just how & why animals were domesticated.

Down here in the south, escaped livestock and pet animals are a real problem. We've got wild hogs literally everywhere- 400+ Lb. kills are common as dirt- and pet pythons & boa constrictors are all over Florida and southern Georgia.

(lol) I've often said that Kobe beef is one of God's practical jokes. The Cattle are fed wonderfully, exercised & massaged daily, kept in climate-controlled barns....and then shipped off to a slaughterhouse. I keep picturing this cow's ghost hovering over his carcass going "What the FUCK?!?! Yesterday I was doing so well!"

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[Pikimon]

Plants have feelings, thoughts and some plants even produce chemicals to aid the growth of other plants unrelated to their species. Clearly Vegans want to genocide this beautiful form of life into extinction.

Stop Veganism and become a Bloodmouth.

 

[AnOminous]

If we stopped relying domesticated animals, those animals would be extinct.

So? Simply not causing them to come into being isn't the same as killing them.

If something exists which has a net negative well-being, then it would be just as well for it not to exist.

This is assuming a vegan world, of course. In the world we live in, the presumably negative well-being of a caged chicken is balanced by the utility it presents for the humans who eat it.

 

[The Knife's Husbando]

One of the hardest things for the hippy-dippy-Vegan-love-everything-living crowd to understand is actually a very simple concept.

Entropy happens.

It's just that simple. Time erodes everything. Period. Things are going to die. I'm going to die. You're going to die. It sucks, but there it is- a fundamentally undeniable fact of our physical universe. Old life decays into, or is forcibly broken down into simpler parts and is used as fuel for the new. To put it plainly, Mother Nature doesn't give a shit. In the end, all of us are simply bags of raw materials for use in the great organic machine we call the "food web".

How well you understand and accept this concept directly equates to just how happy- and not to put to fine a point on it- how sane an individual you are.

In my opinion, there is a certain elegance in this. That all of us exist in this never ending cycle of death and rebirth. It's not pretty, it's not comforting, but it's the way this biosphere was designed. The Food Web on this planet is the only machine that operates at 100% efficiency.

 

[Fleshy Sanik]

Not saying i do not agree with you but it is probably closer to 10%, that is why eating plenty of vegetables is so resource efficient.

I recently worked witg a woman completely unable to understand how eggs work. I tried to convince her that eggs have to be fertilized and that in a non rooster environment they would never hatch.
This woman was in her forties...

 

[Surtur]

The book Guns, Germs and Steel has a very interesting chapter on the domestication of animals, and just why only twelve or so species of mammals/avians have been domesticated out of the umpteen-thousand that are on earth. It covers things like herd/pack mentality, innate aggressiveness of the species, and input/output of biomass. Read as "food in/food out ratio." I'd recommend it to anyone who wants to learn about just how & why animals were domesticated.

Down here in the south, escaped livestock and pet animals are a real problem. We've got wild hogs literally everywhere- 400+ Lb. kills are common as dirt- and pet pythons & boa constrictors are all over Florida and southern Georgia.

(lol) I've often said that Kobe beef is one of God's practical jokes. The Cattle are fed wonderfully, exercised & massaged daily, kept in climate-controlled barns....and then shipped off to a slaughterhouse. I keep picturing this cow's ghost hovering over his carcass going "What the FUCK?!?! Yesterday I was doing so well!"

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Burmese pythons are only invasive in southern Florida. There is only one small breeding population of boa constrictor in the US and they have not left that spot in 50 years. Neither species is found in Georgia.

 

[Sanshain]

Domestic animals turned feral are actually among the most dangerous kinds of animal one can encounter. They have no inherent fear of man like wild animals do, and many retain their basic 'man = food' conditioning. Quite often they're also out of their natural habitat, leading to them usurping the positions of indigenous predators. One noteworthy example that happened during my lifetime was when a bunch of animal torturer-I mean sympathizers broke into a large fur farm in my area and released some three or four thousand European Mink into the wild.

In case you didn't know what Mink are, they are small carnivorous mammals in the same family grouping as otters, stoats, weasels wolverines and polecats. They are also little more than furry killing machines, quite capable of taking on everything from badgers to poisonous snakes. Quite naturally, the result of so many being released into the wild simultaneously resulted in the utter depopulation of the surrounding wildlife, not to mention the deaths of more than three thousand domesticated animals and fowl in a single night. The effort to exterminate them still goes on today, all thanks to a bunch of clueless inner-city idiots.

 

[Slowboat to China]

Comparing eating meat to the fricking Holocaust makes me beyond A-loggy. Chickens are chickens. They don't care about the future. They'll never accomplish anything beyond "eat food," "crap," "make more chickens," and incidentally, "be delicious." A human can be so, so much more. You'll see people on these threads talking sadly about lolcows because they're unhappy about the wasted potential of that person's life. Chris could have been a real artist, Pixy could have been the happy wife and mother she dreams of being. A chicken doesn't have any potential.

And the argument that cooking meat somehow means we're disgusted by the raw stuff and therefore acting against our natures is magnificent in its stupidity. Cooking meat kills pathogens and makes it taste good, so that's what we do. Personally, I like not dying of e.coli. God knows there are plenty of people who hunt and butcher their own meat, too. (Which is, of course, evil as well.)