Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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"Anatomically correct vegan gingerbread man with foreskin" is admittedly not something I thought I would see all together in one photo.
 
PlumSyrup said:
Background: earlier this year I went vegan. After being a lactose-intolerant vegetarian for 20 years, it didn't seem like a huge leap. I went looking for recipes, and after getting tired of seeing stuff like this vegan gluten-free avocado nacho toast, I asked a friend for suggestions, and I was directed to the Facebook group "What Broke Vegans Eat." In theory, it's exactly that, vegan meals on a budget. And sometimes that's what it is about--as I'm writing this, the top post is a vegan meal from Taco Bell where the person recommends subbing the cheese dip for guacamole at no extra cost. But posts like that are honestly the minority. One of the rules is that every post must contain a picture of food, I think to try to steer it away from politics and focus on recipes and meals in general.

However, it's weirdly political in way that is mildly frightening to me. A lot of people on there are weird anti-vaxxers, and even more are super obsessed with circumcision, which lead me to discover that whether or not circumcision is vegan is an actual ongoing debate in the vegan community. The posts are so weird, and it just seems like the strangest platform to use when there are communities out there specifically for discussing politics.

Anyway, here are some screenshots. I only am attaching 10 posts because I'm not sure how much of this people want to see, but this stuff really goes back years and years and is constant.

... I just want recipes that aren't avocado nacho toast, for christ's sake.

The vegetarian community is so much more chill and this makes me honestly want to go back.

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As someone who did veganism for the better part of a year, I'd say it's not worth it unless you're willing to do insane amounts of research into nutrition and meeting your RDAs. Also, you're going to need to load up on supplements, and not just B12, I'm talking EPA/DHA Omega-3 supplements. The Omega-3 you get from plant food like chia seeds is ALA, which can be converted into EPA and then into DHA, but at an insanely low conversion rate, less than 10% I'm best case scenarios IIRC. Also, plant protein has a bioavailability of ~75% at best, often much lower, whereas meat is 100% bioavailable. This shit requires a ton of research and planning to not go deficient.
 
Gone_Fission said:
As someone who did veganism for the better part of a year, I'd say it's not worth it unless you're willing to do insane amounts of research into nutrition and meeting your RDAs. Also, you're going to need to load up on supplements, and not just B12, I'm talking EPA/DHA Omega-3 supplements. The Omega-3 you get from plant food like chia seeds is ALA, which can be converted into EPA and then into DHA, but at an insanely low conversion rate, less than 10% I'm best case scenarios IIRC. Also, plant protein has a bioavailability of ~75% at best, often much lower, whereas meat is 100% bioavailable. This shit requires a ton of research and planning to not go deficient.
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I see B12 deficiencies every once in a while in older non-vegan patients. Everyone should be taking a supplement. They're cheap.
 
Gone_Fission said:
As someone who did veganism for the better part of a year, I'd say it's not worth it unless you're willing to do insane amounts of research into nutrition and meeting your RDAs. Also, you're going to need to load up on supplements, and not just B12, I'm talking EPA/DHA Omega-3 supplements. The Omega-3 you get from plant food like chia seeds is ALA, which can be converted into EPA and then into DHA, but at an insanely low conversion rate, less than 10% I'm best case scenarios IIRC. Also, plant protein has a bioavailability of ~75% at best, often much lower, whereas meat is 100% bioavailable. This shit requires a ton of research and planning to not go deficient.
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Oh, thank you for this! I'm less worried about the protein because I'm pretty small, so at the recommended .8 g per kg of body weight I only need ~40g of protein per day and I do supplement b12 and take a multivitamin, but I actually didn't realize the rest. I'm in it for the environment, mainly, so if I'm not able to do it as safely I might just try to cut down as much as I can and be vegetarian. Plus, fewer weirdos absolutely fucking obsessed with foreskin.

I don't know if it's okay to editorialize here, but the vegetarian community really was so much nicer. If all you could medically or financially do was meatless Mondays, hey, that's still a positive impact and people would still help you out and offer you advice and recipes and encouragement, etc. I've only been in this for a few weeks but I'm honestly so freaked out by how weird everyone is and how they spend so much time comparing things to the Holocaust or fighting about vaccines? There's also a weird amount of people who have blatant eating disorders. well, I don't want to screenshot anything like that because I don't want to publicly shame anybody who is clearly mentally ill, but it seems like people who do crazy "raw vegan" stuff and "monomeals" are probably actually just anorexic, and it freaks me out that people aren't trying to get them help.
 
PlumSyrup said:
Oh, thank you for this! I'm less worried about the protein because I'm pretty small, so at the recommended .8 g per kg of body weight I only need ~40g of protein per day and I do supplement b12 and take a multivitamin, but I actually didn't realize the rest. I'm in it for the environment, mainly, so if I'm not able to do it as safely I might just try to cut down as much as I can and be vegetarian. Plus, fewer weirdos absolutely fucking obsessed with foreskin.

I don't know if it's okay to editorialize here, but the vegetarian community really was so much nicer. If all you could medically or financially do was meatless Mondays, hey, that's still a positive impact and people would still help you out and offer you advice and recipes and encouragement, etc. I've only been in this for a few weeks but I'm honestly so freaked out by how weird everyone is and how they spend so much time comparing things to the Holocaust or fighting about vaccines? There's also a weird amount of people who have blatant eating disorders. well, I don't want to screenshot anything like that because I don't want to publicly shame anybody who is clearly mentally ill, but it seems like people who do crazy "raw vegan" stuff and "monomeals" are probably actually just anorexic, and it freaks me out that people aren't trying to get them help.
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Check out the Fit Vegan Ginger thread, it doesn't surprise me that there's more of her kind out there. Somewhere in the thread a person tried making her "recipes" to much hilarity,
 
neverendingmidi said:
Check out the Fit Vegan Ginger thread, it doesn't surprise me that there's more of her kind out there. Somewhere in the thread a person tried making her "recipes" to much hilarity,
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... Yeah, skimming through a few pages, some of that seems on par with what I saw. Well, I didn't see nasty stuff like peanut butter sauerkraut sushi, but people would post "meals" that were just 2 carrots and some fruit and maybe 200 calories total, etc. I'm not a nutritionist but even if you're overweight and need to lose weight that's very unhealthy! I think since veganism is already kind of a fringe diet, people are scared to call out people on even weirder "diets," but I think if veganism wants to be taken seriously, we really need to call out people who say their "#omad" is only 10 strawberries because monomeals or whatever. I'm beginning to understand why it's so easy to mask an eating disorder as veganism, honestly--if omnivores call you out you can just say they're not HASHTAG WOKE and vegans fucking don't
 
PlumSyrup said:
I don't know if it's okay to editorialize here, but the vegetarian community really was so much nicer. If all you could medically or financially do was meatless Mondays, hey, that's still a positive impact and people would still help you out and offer you advice and recipes and encouragement, etc. I've only been in this for a few weeks but I'm honestly so freaked out by how weird everyone is and how they spend so much time comparing things to the Holocaust or fighting about vaccines? There's also a weird amount of people who have blatant eating disorders. well, I don't want to screenshot anything like that because I don't want to publicly shame anybody who is clearly mentally ill, but it seems like people who do crazy "raw vegan" stuff and "monomeals" are probably actually just anorexic, and it freaks me out that people aren't trying to get them help.
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Veganism gets you clicks on Youtube. Most of the young women on Youtube that were doing vegan diets and then quit because of health complications were doing stupid shit like juice fasting. That's not particularly healthy.

There are good resources out there for people who want to eat a vegan diet (like Becoming Vegan by Brenda Davis) but a lot of people seem to get their health information from the Youtube and then wonder why that shit ain't good.
 
PlumSyrup said:
Oh, thank you for this! I'm less worried about the protein because I'm pretty small, so at the recommended .8 g per kg of body weight I only need ~40g of protein per day and I do supplement b12 and take a multivitamin, but I actually didn't realize the rest. I'm in it for the environment, mainly, so if I'm not able to do it as safely I might just try to cut down as much as I can and be vegetarian. Plus, fewer weirdos absolutely fucking obsessed with foreskin.
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Just make sure you factor bioavailability in and eat well over your RDA of 40g so that you're actually getting 40g of protein, keeping in mind that most plant foods lack a complete essential amino acid profile. If you're mostly into veganism for the environment, look into rope farmed oysters; they're ecologically a net positive in most cases, and are rich in pretty much every nutrient the average vegan diet is deficient in, namely EPA/DHA Omega-3, zinc, B12, and 100% bioavailable complete protein. Also, they don't even have brains or much of anything in the way of a nervous system, so they can't experience suffering of any sort. You could also look into maybe eating meat/eggs once a week or so raised on nothing but open pasture, (or wild game such as feral hogs,) which some studies show help act as a net carbon sink that replenishes the soil. A lot of land sucks for crops, but for eons supported large numbers of grazing animals eating and pooping in a closed cycle just fine.
 
There were a couple of vegans in my college's SJW circle back in 2014-2015 (I hung out with them since I was in the LGBT club, in my school it was compulsory to join a club since it would look good on your university application and the LGBT one was known for being the one that did the least and basically just hung out the entire time) and they kept bringing vegan chocolate cupcakes and other desserts to school and letting people try them in an attempt to convert them to veganism. I always thought it was dumb since I enjoyed their desserts very much but that doesn't mean I'd enjoy vegan savoury things - while there are good meals that don't have meat in, so far all the meat substitutes I've had like tofu and quorn have been kinda gross.
 
PlumSyrup said:
A lot of people on there are weird anti-vaxxers
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This isn't surprising to an extent since vaccines technically aren't vegan, as they contain egg and inactive virus cells. However as your handful of posts show, it's really the very small amount of "icky" preservatives that anti-vaxxers focus on and go nuts over, aside from the 'tism bullshit. The benefits greatly outweigh the risks, however.
 
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I stumbled across something fantastic. This bride uninvited all non-vegans to her wedding.

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Someone on Reddit was actually in the Facebook group discussing this and provided a bunch of screencaps of the drama, both from the bridezilla and the people she burned.

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Tl;dr- vegan bridezilla un-invites any omnivores/"murderers" to her wedding. When called out on it, she claims that her family is abusive and bully her for being vegan. Friends and family quickly show up to shoot that down, arguing that they've been nothing but supportive of her lifestyle choices. They were all happy to eat vegan food at the wedding, the bride was just salty they're not full-time vegans.
 
Cosmos said:
I stumbled across something fantastic. This bride uninvited all non-vegans to her wedding.

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Someone on Reddit was actually in the Facebook group discussing this and provided a bunch of screencaps of the drama, both from the bridezilla and the people she burned.

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Tl;dr- vegan bridezilla un-invites any omnivores/"murderers" to her wedding. When called out on it, she claims that her family is abusive and bully her for being vegan. Friends and family quickly show up to shoot that down, arguing that they've been nothing but supportive of her lifestyle choices. They were all happy to eat vegan food at the wedding, the bride was just salty they're not full-time vegans.
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Don't you love to see a purity spiral happen in real time? What's next, "I won't shop at any place that carries animal products"? "My dog isn't vegan, so I had it put down?"
 
i'll never understand vegans, I lost count how many times vegans called me ''speciesist'' because I value human life over animal life.
vegans make me want to make cannibalism legal just so I can eat them alive, but there's a 100% chance that they will taste bad because they have no nutrients whatsoever.
 
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