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Foie gras is pretty friggin barbaric, I'll grant you that - but could I possibly get a source on the fox thing?
Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS
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Foie gras is pretty friggin barbaric, I'll grant you that - but could I possibly get a source on the fox thing?
Lokkington
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...nned-alive-The-true-face-of-China-s-fur-farms
Thousands of sources simply by searching 'electrocution+fur+ the name of pretty much any animal known to mankind'.
And of course, since I could quote a thousand sources and people would still question the validity, straight from the horse's mouth -
https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pa...utm_term=issues-animal_welfare-euthanasia-pdf
I also suppose the person I quoted originally is a-okay with seal clubbing and whale hunting, since it's for (poor quality) fur, (cancerous) meat and (easily substituted) fat.
That the meat industry at all levels could use a 100% ethical and hygienic overhaul globally is not an opinion, it's fact.
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Oh, I agree the meat industry needs a major overhaul, I'm just super leery that the article you linked has PETA stuff all over it - PETA, which has proven to fake their infamous slaughterhouse videos, kill tons of pets given to them under the assumption they'd be able to rehome them, and is responsible for a lot of psuedoscience bullshit with veganism (and is a major contributor to why we see militant vegans in the first place) + general misinformation on farming, hunting, and anything to do with animals.
I have no doubt there are horrid skinning farms, just like there are puppy mills and a shitton of other types of animal abuses. But if you could have given me an article that didn't use PETA, I'd be less skeptical about this.
As for your second link, you...just linked a pdf to euthanasia guidelines for veterinarians. What am I supposed to take away from that?
And before you accuse me of anything, I also dislike seal clubbing and whale farming.
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Yeah, that is something one should consider. Eating a steak ain't gonna be as health threatening as much as drinking a barrel of cola and stuffing a shitton of unhealthy foods. If they do try to cite something like Burger King or McDonalds, one should take in consideration "fast food" along with whatever our foods contain. But the militant vegans wouldn't want that, they just want to say eating meat will make us all fat.
"Other people are fat, so that means it's okay that we're malnourished!"
Also, tons of fatty foods/drinks are vegan, such as french fries, chips, pasta, soda, and other such snacks.
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lol chill out. This is not the place to go out and slam axes into that thing you hate like a roided up barbarian. This is the place where we laugh at desperate people who seek to have an identity by screaming about how their horrible diet is the bee's knees as their bodies degrade and melt into shit from poor planning.
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Yeah yeah yeah you should still calm down.
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Animal abuse is one of the things that hurts my heart the most. I'm a total hypocrite because I'm unwilling to give up animal products, but I absolutely adore all animals and often connect to them more strongly than I connect to most people. Just reading stories about the ways animals are exploited (Foie gras, bile bears, endangered animals being slaughtered for their fur or for bullshit snakeoil ~*~traditional~*~ medicine) often moves me to tears.
But even I, with my gaping, bleeding heart, can see that humanity is heading down an indisputably positive path when it comes to the way we treat animals. Just a few decades ago, there were serious debates in the scientific community revolving around whether animals can even feel and register pain, which would make it unethical to harm them. Nowadays, the vast majority of people who live in developed nations believe that cruel, unnecessary suffering inflicted on animals is no better than child abuse and should never be tolerated. More places are implementing laws that give animal abusers more than a slap on the wrist, and some places are even establishing animal abuser registers that prevent convicted animal abusers from buying or adopting animals (which, if you ask me, should be the norm everywhere). People are protesting industries that treat animals as disposable objects instead of living creatures, SeaWorld being one of the most notable cases (to the point where their annual revenue has plummeted significantly after the release of the documentary Black Fish). Poaching endangered/protected animals often carries severe penalties, traditional practices (such as the making of foie gras and a lot of hunting practices) that harm animals are being challenged, and environmental policies are being implemented on a worldwide level. Honestly, the only countries that are lagging behind are African and Asian countries where even human life isn't valued all that highly.
Humanity as a whole is finally starting to cherish the Earth and everything on it because we've finally gotten it through our thick skulls that this planet is all we have. Pollution, environmental degradation, and climate change, as well as the rapid extinction rate of many plant and animal species, have become top priorities. Humans aren't becoming more apathetic towards nature and animals, it's the exact opposite. You want proof? Go find an article or a video exposing animal abuse in the meat industry and prepared to be flooded by livid commenters who want to punch a hole in a wall.
tl;dr- Vegans need to understand that tons of people are passionate about animals and they're not special.
But even I, with my gaping, bleeding heart, can see that humanity is heading down an indisputably positive path when it comes to the way we treat animals. Just a few decades ago, there were serious debates in the scientific community revolving around whether animals can even feel and register pain, which would make it unethical to harm them. Nowadays, the vast majority of people who live in developed nations believe that cruel, unnecessary suffering inflicted on animals is no better than child abuse and should never be tolerated. More places are implementing laws that give animal abusers more than a slap on the wrist, and some places are even establishing animal abuser registers that prevent convicted animal abusers from buying or adopting animals (which, if you ask me, should be the norm everywhere). People are protesting industries that treat animals as disposable objects instead of living creatures, SeaWorld being one of the most notable cases (to the point where their annual revenue has plummeted significantly after the release of the documentary Black Fish). Poaching endangered/protected animals often carries severe penalties, traditional practices (such as the making of foie gras and a lot of hunting practices) that harm animals are being challenged, and environmental policies are being implemented on a worldwide level. Honestly, the only countries that are lagging behind are African and Asian countries where even human life isn't valued all that highly.
Humanity as a whole is finally starting to cherish the Earth and everything on it because we've finally gotten it through our thick skulls that this planet is all we have. Pollution, environmental degradation, and climate change, as well as the rapid extinction rate of many plant and animal species, have become top priorities. Humans aren't becoming more apathetic towards nature and animals, it's the exact opposite. You want proof? Go find an article or a video exposing animal abuse in the meat industry and prepared to be flooded by livid commenters who want to punch a hole in a wall.
tl;dr- Vegans need to understand that tons of people are passionate about animals and they're not special.
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ORIGINALLY. Please read before accusing me to accuse you. The second pdf gives the so-called 'humane' gidelines to confront against the reality of facts, easily gathered by simple online searches.
Also, see? that's why I want you to do the research by yourself. No matter what I link it'll Always be like 'omg it says PETA on lines 15 and 326', so it's much better for people to sift on their own and read whatever sourced they think is not biased. Side note: while some PETA videos were fake, those I linked were proven to be not.
I think we might have a different standard of what consists of slame axes like a roided up barbarian. I simply find amusing tumbl hating through tumbrl-like arguments and tones.
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Only if it really makes their liver tastier and the method of electrocution is a fast and easy way to kill an animal, if the voltage is high enough (and it is not so easy to botch like, say, the bolt gun or the good ol sharp knife).
'Cause you lack computing power... No, seriously, cockfighting doesn't make any component from the animal better for human consumption, so to hell with it.
No, I'm not trolling and I don't give a monkey's testicle how I sound to you.
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Okay, I'm obviously not going to change your mind on this, but...
I wasn't accusing you at all. I'm not sure where you got accusing out of 'I am skeptical from the link you pasted, plus I don't understand why you linked something without explaining why it helped your point.'
But you also put humane in quotes against what looks like a normal pdf explaining the guidelines for humane euthanasia. But you do realize that PETA is notorious for being just as bad as those they rail about with animal suffering and death, right? There's a difference between being biased and knowing that the source you linked got their information from a group known to lie and spread misinformation, because then it becomes harder to believe anything that group puts forth.
Back to the actual damn topic - I've got some sources (tumblr, mostly) that I'll be rounding up in the next few days with some wonderful batshittery for you all. Look forward to it!
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this thread is a mess
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That doesn't even make sense @TumblrShite
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If anybody is interested in learning more about veganism, I highly suggest checking out Unnatural Vegan. She takes a rational, evidence-based approach to supporting a plant-based diet and veganism as a whole that's accessible to non vegans. FWIW lots of vegans have raging hate boners her and constantly accuse her of astroturfing. IDK if she's been brought up in this thread, I didn't feel reading 36 pages just to find out.
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In American fur farms (at least mink farms) don't they have to kill the mink via gas (usually carbon dioxide from what I understand) as per regulation?
Also wouldn't skinning the animal alive would make a shitty pelt because the animal would squirm around and tear the pelt, if they even do that shit it in real life not videos PETA goes "undercover" for (read: stages) probably happens in China where they have no regard for human or animal life (unless you are a panda)
Like fur farms in the US are heavily regulated, and what about hunting for fur? The animal lives a normal life in the wild, gets shot, dies quickly and gets skinned after death.
Also wouldn't skinning the animal alive would make a shitty pelt because the animal would squirm around and tear the pelt, if they even do that shit it in real life not videos PETA goes "undercover" for (read: stages) probably happens in China where they have no regard for human or animal life (unless you are a panda)
Like fur farms in the US are heavily regulated, and what about hunting for fur? The animal lives a normal life in the wild, gets shot, dies quickly and gets skinned after death.
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These sort of arguments are the kind that piss me off most. These people have such a great hatred of meat-eaters burning inside them that it clouds their logical judgement, and spew fallacies like this.
Reason and logic are your friends. Try listening to them sometime and you might realize that not everyone who eats meat is Hitler.
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All it takes is one vegan to turn this thread into a dick measuring contest.
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>implying vegans have genitalia
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Because ruining your nutrition by eating oreos and McDonald's salads makes you as qualified as the dudes who spent like a decade learning their shit.
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It's a joke about how vegans are always announcing to everyone that they're a vegan.