Militant Vegans - MEAT IS MURDER, YOU BLOODMOUTHS

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Eh... I've been eating my turkey, stuffing, collard greens, and whatnot - but especially the turkey for 2 days, now. I'll need to exercise it off, but I feel amazing stuffing my bod full of animal flesh - LIKE I ALWAYS DO.

Positron said:
There is no such thing as a "carnist", only "normal people".

Turkey fact: turkeys can't be toilet-trained, and considering the shit they randomly spill, presumably neither can vegans.
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Alright - knowledge to take to the grave with me when the time comes. Thanks!
 
Even if we weren't to use cows for meat or dairy, we'd still probably need to keep them around so they can make manure to fertilize crops so cows will never truly be "free" as vegans want them to be
 
Bugaboo said:
Even if we weren't to use cows for meat or dairy, we'd still probably need to keep them around so they can make manure to fertilize crops so cows will never truly be "free" as vegans want them to be
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I really don't think all those cow farms are going to spend all the money to maintain those cows just for the shit they produce. That's unprofitable as all hell.
 
Meowthkip said:
One day they're going to piss off the wrong person and somebody's gonna try and drive a van full of C4 into their headquarters.
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One wonders what would happen if Mecca weren't off-limits to non-Muslims; but I still can't forsee a PeTA mob protesting the sacrifice of goats that goes on during the Hajj even if it wasn't. I don't even think a hypothetical Muslim PeTA member would try typical PeTA tactics there. Saudi Arabia isn't exactly known for its open-minded approach to protesters. Heck, you don't really see them pulling these kinds of stunts with any governments that would happily murder and disappear each and every last one of them. At best the only ones they really are pushing their luck with is Russia. Mostly they go with the 'safe' soft targets, which reduces the likelihood of said van full of C4.
 
Service dogs represent oppression and slavery:
http://veganfeministnetwork.com/a-feminist-critique-of-service-dogs/
The ideology of human supremacy weighs very heavy in the mix. It is difficult to think about our relationship with our companion animals as one of “domination,” but this is inherently the case. Service animals are, for the most part, purpose bred animals who are rigorously trained since puppyhood for one purpose and for one purpose only: to serve their masters. Many dogs live rather lonely lives: they are kenneled for long periods of time and they are denied free expression. People are even discouraged from showing attention and affection to service dogs because they are “working.” It is important for us to recognize that sexually exploiting vulnerable persons to produce offspring so that the offspring can be trained to be servants for life is a relationship of oppression.
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We're not supposed to bother a seeing eye dog because it could endanger the dog's and the owner's safety. You do understand why blind people need service dogs in the first place, right?
 
Lunete said:
Service dogs represent oppression and slavery:
http://veganfeministnetwork.com/a-feminist-critique-of-service-dogs/


We're not supposed to bother a seeing eye dog because it could endanger the dog's and the owner's safety. You do understand why blind people need service dogs in the first place, right?
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I think idiots like the vegan feminist think that blind people should be using seeing-eye people. But I've never heard of a dog stealing and abusing credit cards...and I've never, ever heard of "seeing-eye humans". You can't always trust humans, but you can definitely trust the dog.
 
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Lunete said:
Service dogs represent oppression and slavery:
http://veganfeministnetwork.com/a-feminist-critique-of-service-dogs/


We're not supposed to bother a seeing eye dog because it could endanger the dog's and the owner's safety. You do understand why blind people need service dogs in the first place, right?
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After you take a service dog's vest off when it's not on duty it turns back into a regular loving dog who you can pet and play with, they've been trained to do this so they're not without love and attention. What about diabetes sniffing dogs (dogs that can dectet low blood sugar just by scent which are often paired up with children) and dogs to support people with disabilities? I met a dog at my old job who was an autsim service dog and he didn't seem unhappy he was just chilling out while his kid was doing art classes. What will you do if that autistic kid has a meltdown and starts hitting himself and no one around him is trained to calm him down and stop him from hurting himself but the dog can do it but shit, there's not service dog anymore because the animal rights weirdos "freed him"
 
Lunete said:
Service dogs represent oppression and slavery:
http://veganfeministnetwork.com/a-feminist-critique-of-service-dogs/
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A retarded fucking critique and ableist and problematic as all fuck, for that matter.

I'd love to see this dimwit explain this to a blind person.

This dumb bitch needs to STFU and go make me a sammich. A fucking BLT.

You have to wonder also if these fucked up, stupid people have ever even met a dog. There is nothing a dog loves more than knowing he did something useful.
 
Bugaboo said:
After you take a service dog's vest off when it's not on duty it turns back into a regular loving dog who you can pet and play with, they've been trained to do this so they're not without love and attention. What about diabetes sniffing dogs (dogs that can dectet low blood sugar just by scent which are often paired up with children) and dogs to support people with disabilities? I met a dog at my old job who was an autsim service dog and he didn't seem unhappy he was just chilling out while his kid was doing art classes. What will you do if that autistic kid has a meltdown and starts hitting himself and no one around him is trained to calm him down and stop him from hurting himself but the dog can do it but shit, there's not service dog anymore because the animal rights weirdos "freed him"
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[sarcasm] B-b-but, people and machines could be doing those jobs! They're just not trying hard enough! [/sarcasm]
 
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Lunete said:
Service dogs represent oppression and slavery:
http://veganfeministnetwork.com/a-feminist-critique-of-service-dogs/


We're not supposed to bother a seeing eye dog because it could endanger the dog's and the owner's safety. You do understand why blind people need service dogs in the first place, right?
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...Wow. I've seen a lot of shit from militant vegans, but this takes the cake. This is obviously written by someone who has only ever seen service dogs in public, and not realize that when the vest is off (aka, they're not working) they're perfectly happy pets. Many people who own service dogs take very good care of them, because they literally depend on these dogs for daily support. They also probably don't realize that service animals have a limit on how many years they can work before having to retire, because their jobs tend to be strenuous and everyday*. I know a blind pastor who absolutely loves his service dogs and helps the organization he gets them from rehome them since he can't take care of one when it's in retirement.

This is also ignoring that dogs as a whole have been heavily bred for specific jobs, but people like this often hate people having pets anyways. Funnily enough, they don't realize nature is cruel as shit, and many animals have happily traded 'freedom' for the safety of being domesticated. Of course, animals still fall through the cracks and abuses still happen, but those are issues actual animal rights activists try to combat every day.

*In my area, anyway. It may be different in other states/countries, and it also depends on the type of service offered. Seeing eye dogs generally have a set period of how long they work, but I'm not as familiar with, say, therapy dogs or seizure-warning dogs.

Edit: I decided to look a little more into the article, particularly the reader response. Thoughts/ potential sperging under the spoiler.

"We’re quick to deliver the service dog and then back away from the situation so the human can be independent, as if independence is the most important thing in the world. Why do people avoid asking the most obvious question of all: Why don’t humans help humans instead of enslaving dogs or other animals to help humans in need?"

Because many disabled people actually desire the independence that working with another human doesn't give to them. Often, they'll feel like burdens to caretakers or have to ask their caretaker for help in leaving the house, getting on transportation, ect. And while this can work - and there are people who do this for disabled people that need help - a service animal often affords a greater range of feeling responsible and in control of your own life, which is important. (Also, you know, Human caretakers have a greater chance of stealing money/property from you, where with a dog you might get some food stolen out of your hand/plate.)

"Is it possible that service dogs leave someone with disabilities more socially isolated than they were before getting the dog? [...] We know that when a service dog is on duty humans are not supposed to approach the dog or the human, that we are not supposed to do or say anything to distract the dog from the work at hand. The service dog also sends a strong message that the human with the dog values independence, and as such, it is easy for others see a need to honor that independence by just walking way and not initiating friendly contact."

...I don't even know where the hell to begin with this. You're no less 'independent' walking alone as a person without disabilities, or if you were walking your own dog out on the street. You can actually interact with people without touching their service animals - imagine that! Hell, people with service animals often get more people talking or approaching them because of the animal, and from there a conversation is struck. Holy shit, it's not that hard.

"It’s time to question the use of service dogs and other animals in ways that are not ableist, but that give serious consideration to the fate of the dogs."

Ableist. You're calling service dogs - animals trained for people with disabilities so they can function more easily - Ableist. While implying that disabled people should just give up being independent and depend on people for everything even if they don't want to.

*sigh*
 
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There's an amazing short film called "Dog Food" that shows what happens when militant vegans go too far. It's a bit on the long side, with an 18 minute run time, but I highly recommend it. It's a slow burn, but the ending is really satisfying.
 
Cosmos said:
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There's an amazing short film called "Dog Food" that shows what happens when militant vegans go too far. It's a bit on the long side, with an 18 minute run time, but I highly recommend it. It's a slow burn, but the ending is really satisfying.
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Wow, you were not kidding.

I do like that they didn't have animals of their own in the film - it's a nice touch, because a lot of militant vegans seem utterly disconnected to animals in general, or the emotional impact they can have on humans. Kind of funny how the people who cry the most about 'THE ANIMALS' understand them the least.
 
Luka Megurine said:
Wow, you were not kidding.

I do like that they didn't have animals of their own in the film - it's a nice touch, because a lot of militant vegans seem utterly disconnected to animals in general, or the emotional impact they can have on humans. Kind of funny how the people who cry the most about 'THE ANIMALS' understand them the least.
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I liked that, too. It helped highlight how ignorant they were regarding the butcher, especially concerning his relationship with Ralphie (the dog). To them, it's impossible that someone who butchers animals for a living could have an extremely deep emotional bond with an animal (in this case, a dog). Or, alternatively, they did believe he had a deep connection with his dog and were exploiting that to show him how horrible and mean he was for being a butcher. In any case, they definitely underestimated just how powerful that bond was and paid the price.

Like, to be honest, if I thought someone had murdered my dog and then fed her to me I would lose my fucking mind. I don't think I'd go so far as to murder them, but I would definitely hurt them. That's why I love how the short film is structured in such a way that you don't really give a shit about what happened to the vegans. Anyone who's ever loved an animal will at least sympathize with the butcher, even if they don't approve of the whole murder thing.

Also, I love how they targeted that butcher in particular. From what we see he treats his animals very well and they're able to enjoy life and move around before they're put on the butcher's block. That's a far cry from the factory farming that unfortunately dominates the meat industry, where many animals don't even experience fresh air and sunlight before they're killed. Humanity isn't going to give up animal products, so the best we can do is make sure animals are treated well and get to experience life before they're slaughtered.
 
Cosmos said:
I liked that, too. It helped highlight how ignorant they were regarding the butcher, especially concerning his relationship with Ralphie (the dog). To them, it's impossible that someone who butchers animals for a living could have an extremely deep emotional bond with an animal (in this case, a dog). Or, alternatively, they did believe he had a deep connection with his dog and were exploiting that to show him how horrible and mean he was for being a butcher. In any case, they definitely underestimated just how powerful that bond was and paid the price.

Like, to be honest, if I thought someone had murdered my dog and then fed her to me I would lose my fucking mind. I don't think I'd go so far as to murder them, but I would definitely hurt them. That's why I love how the short film is structured in such a way that you don't really give a shit about what happened to the vegans. Anyone who's ever loved an animal will at least sympathize with the butcher, even if they don't approve of the whole murder thing.

Also, I love how they targeted that butcher in particular. From what we see he treats his animals very well and they're able to enjoy life and move around before they're put on the butcher's block. That's a far cry from the factory farming that unfortunately dominates the meat industry, where many animals don't even experience fresh air and sunlight before they're killed. Humanity isn't going to give up animal products, so the best we can do is make sure animals are treated well and get to experience life before they're slaughtered.
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Yeah, I wanted to mention that too - about how the butcher raises his own animals before killing them, and it looked like they had a pretty good set up. I'd buy from a butcher that raises their own animals, or is connected to a farm that raises animals humanely before selling them to the butcher. Actual activists work towards trying to get farms to adopt practices that aren't factory farming in order for meat livestock to have healthy lives before ending up on dinner plates, and that's way more feasible than getting everyone to give up animal products.

What really gets me is that they thought harassing this man, then kidnapping his dog and putting on a play of pretending like they'd killed and served it to him would work, and he'd see the 'error of his ways', and not get fucking hurt at least for it. I probably wouldn't go so far as murder, but I'd probably be beating someone to a bloody pulp at the very least. There's also the implication that they've done this before, in the scene in the kitchen. That's just...absolutely awful, no matter how righteous you think your cause is.
 
Luka Megurine said:
Yeah, I wanted to mention that too - about how the butcher raises his own animals before killing them, and it looked like they had a pretty good set up. I'd buy from a butcher that raises their own animals, or is connected to a farm that raises animals humanely before selling them to the butcher. Actual activists work towards trying to get farms to adopt practices that aren't factory farming in order for meat livestock to have healthy lives before ending up on dinner plates, and that's way more feasible than getting everyone to give up animal products.

What really gets me is that they thought harassing this man, then kidnapping his dog and putting on a play of pretending like they'd killed and served it to him would work, and he'd see the 'error of his ways', and not get fucking hurt at least for it. I probably wouldn't go so far as murder, but I'd probably be beating someone to a bloody pulp at the very least. There's also the implication that they've done this before, in the scene in the kitchen. That's just...absolutely awful, no matter how righteous you think your cause is.
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More and more people are choosing to buy from local butchers/farms for exactly that reason, even if it costs a little more. Hell, I've even heard that animals that are raised humanely and are allowed to spread their legs taste better than animals that spend their entire lives caged and smushed together with other animals, which makes sense. I've always said that if vegans want to make real change, they need to campaign against factory farming and fight for animals to be treated humanely before they're killed. In fact, if all livestock was treated humanely, there wouldn't really be a need to be vegan anymore; there wouldn't be an issue with consuming milk and eggs.

UGH, THAT'S WHAT GOT ME, TOO. The vegan guy heavily implies that they've done the whole "kidnap a beloved pet and pretend to serve it to its owner in order to teach them a lesson" schtick numerous times before. Incredibly, it appears that nobody has assaulted them yet (or maybe they have been assaulted, but they're so obsessed with their mission that they keep doing it anyway). It was only a matter of time before they pushed someone off the edge. Like, their little act can be classified as severe psychological and emotional abuse.
 
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