Mig-23 goes down... outside Detroit - Russia blames Detroit Holhols

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A retired Russian fighter jet flying in Yankee Air Museum’s Thunder over Michigan air show at the Willow Run Airport near Ypsilanti crashed just after 4 p.m. Sunday, as thousands of spectators, including children, watched in horror.
The two aboard ejected before the jet went down, but the plane burst into a raging fireball when it hit the ground, narrowly missing an apartment building adjacent to Interstate 94 in Van Buren Township and hitting vehicles but not injuring anyone. Emergency crews rushed to extinguish the flames.
The plane, a former Soviet — now Russian — MiG-23 aircraft, was doing aerial maneuvers. It was not immediately clear what malfunction led the two aboard to eject and the jet to crash. The Federal Aviation Administration is investigating.

Videos taken by spectators appeared to show an explosion before the two people in the jet ejected.
"The pilot and backseater successfully ejected from the aircraft before the crash," Randy Wimbley, a spokesman for the Wayne County Airport Authority said. "While it did not appear they sustained any significant injuries, first responders transported the pair to a nearby hospital as a precaution."

The plane, Wimbley said, crashed into the parking lot at the Waverly on the Lake Apartments on Denton Road at the I-94 service drive, striking unoccupied vehicles, but "no one at the apartment complex nor the air show was injured." One photo posted on Facebook showed what appeared to be the charred tail section of the plane just feet away from one of the apartment complex buildings.
By some accounts, the MiG-23 — which could go faster than the speed of sound — has a cockpit that was considered an improvement over previous Soviet fighters with a more ergonomic layout. But pilot visibility reportedly was poor and the ejection seat wrapped around the pilot's head.
Sunday's crash falls on the heels of two fatal ones last month as an air show was underway in Oshkosh, Wisconsin. A helicopter and a gyrocopter collided in midair, leaving two dead and two injured. Two others died earlier in the day when a single-engine plane went into nearby Lake Winnebago.

In 2011, there was a death at the air show at the Selfridge Air National Guard Base in Harrison Township, when a man attempted to go from a plane to a helicopter too early, lunging for the chopper skid before the two craft were in position, according to the crash investigation.

On Sunday, witnesses — including people who were not at the air show but close enough to see it — posted video of the crash to social media. They described a loud boom and then plumes of dark smoke rising south of the airport.
The pilot, listed as Dan Filer in the program, and backseater can be seen ejecting, as their parachutes opened and eased them back to the ground. Some media accounts reported the two were in stable condition after being rescued.
In one video, a witness's voice could he heard saying, "Oh my God."
The two-day show was celebrating its 25th anniversary, and Sunday was the last day.
Matthew Gerick, who was at the show, watched the two people eject, and then the plane zoom to the ground.
"Like did we just watch that happen?" he told the Free Press he thought after the plane went down.. "I was sitting over on Beck Road watching the plane fly out toward (I-)94 when it kept getting lower and lower. Then my wife and I saw the black smoke so we drove down to see the crash on 94 and it landed right next to the apartment building."
Contact Frank Witsil: 313-222-5022 or fwitsil@freepress.com.


 
Not exactly surprised, the Mig-23 was a maintenance clusterfuck, there's a reason Russia got rid of them
 
Very good blessing it did not end up crashing into the apartments. It looks like it was just a few yards away from them and could have been much worse.
 
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Friends of friends. Feeling awful for them tonight, but thank God their seats were hot, and that saved their lives. Plane crashed almost perfectly without hurting anyone.

RIP to the old 23, though.
 
An absolute miracle that the plane didn't slam into an apartment building or somebody on the ground.

Love the last video clip of the guy thinking the plane wasn't gonna crash and the ejection was a part of the show or something (assuming he didn't say that to calm his son down, although the plane crashing a few seconds later would probably make him freak out again)
 
I’m curious about why this happened. I don’t doubt that there was some issue with the aircraft as there was no departure from controlled flight but none of the videos I have seen show any apparent problem with the jet. People keep parroting a rumor about a bird strike but the engine sounded normal and no videos I’ve show evidence of a bird strike. There’s no smoke, no compressor stalling, no apparent instability. I have heard people saying an uncontained engine failure can sever hydraulics in this Mig and leave it with no controls, but the engine would not likely sound normal if it had an uncontained failure, if it were able to stay running at all. You can’t just frag a disc and stay running and sounding relatively normal. It results in extreme vibration and oil ingestion in the hot section, which causes smoking.
 
Yeah wasn't this the only dual seat Mig-23 flying in the USA?
IIRC, yes. There were a couple of very recent airworthiness, but the owner passed and I’m not sure what kind of limbo they’re in. I just know they were based out of Delaware.

Civilian owned MiGs are not in my immediate wheelhouse, but I can definitely get an answer for you.

edit: update to prevent double posting

There are currently four MiG-23UBs in Texas coming online in the next couple of years, with an additional four under restoration. So we’ll have more duals in the air soon.
 
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Interesting development. It was an idea I entertained since none of those videos showed any visible problem with the aircraft.


This latest report indicates that the passenger initiated the ejection sequence. There may have been no reason to eject at all if this is the case, just a panicked passenger who had no place sitting in an old military jet during a demo.
 
Man, imagine losing what I presume is an expensive plane, barely missing killing people on the ground, due to the equivalent of a back seat driver.
 
Its great no one was killed, that crash could have gone horribly wrong really quickly
 
Looks like the hydraulics took a shit. Most US jets have redundancies in their hydraulic systems and backup nitrogen accumulators to minimize hydraulic failures but I can't speak for the Russians. Jets aren't very good at gliding at low speeds so it looks like the engine was still providing thrust after ejection. Pilots will also do everything in their power to aim a crashing jet away from civilization so bailing while pointed at a suburb is another indicator they lost their flight controls. Glad they made it out alive.

If you're curious why the pilots can't remember exactly what happened is because you black out instantly when the CADS under the seat explode. They may not have even regained consciousness until they were on the ground since the ejected so low. Ejection is extremely taxing on the human body so the point where if you do it enough times, the military will ground you for medical reasons.
 
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Interesting development. It was an idea I entertained since none of those videos showed any visible problem with the aircraft.


This latest report indicates that the passenger initiated the ejection sequence. There may have been no reason to eject at all if this is the case, just a panicked passenger who had no place sitting in an old military jet during a demo.
I want to try to get more info on this, because it’s an interesting revelation if true. One of two things happened: either the observer (?) had a good instinct and punched out safely, or he panicked unnecessarily. Pilots HAVE, after all, spent too much time problem solving when they should be getting the hell out. But the truth will eventually come out, I guess.

My question is, who the observer is. Passengers do not fly demo flights, unless they snuck a guy in, but I can’t imagine any operator fudging up that bad, especially since the Nine-O-Nine crash. Dude must’ve had some knowledge of the airplane, so….
 
Looks like the hydraulics took a shit. Most US jets have redundancies in their hydraulic systems and backup nitrogen accumulators to minimize hydraulic failures but I can't speak for the Russians. Jets aren't very good at gliding at low speeds so it looks like the engine was still providing thrust after ejection. Pilots will also do everything in their power to aim a crashing jet away from civilization so bailing while pointed at a suburb is another indicator they lost their flight controls. Glad they made it out alive.

If you're curious why the pilots can't remember exactly what happened is because you black out instantly when the CADS under the seat explode. They may not have even regained consciousness until they were on the ground since the ejected so low. Ejection is extremely taxing on the human body so the point where if you do it enough times, the military will ground you for medical reasons.
I could see the hydraulics shitting themselves. The swing wing, just like on the F-14, was very maintenance heavy. That could have lead to many problems without careful maintenance, especially on a cheaply produced Soviet jet really only meant to go fast
 
Amazed the ejection system worked on a plane that old. Wonder if it was still the original propellants, or upgraded/replaced with some after-market equivalent.
 
Russian jets are pretty cool. Sucks that the thing crashed. I think they should start doing airshows away from cities and things like that. It nearly crashed into an apartment building.
Normally those planes are pretty safe and well taken care of. Seems more like a freak accident really, or just poor maintenance; could have been something they didn't even know they had to fix.
 
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