Disaster MH370 disappearance concluded murder suicide - Its only been 4 years

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https://www.independent.co.uk/trave...urder-suicide-zaharie-amad-shah-a8350621.html

Leading air safety experts have concluded that the captain of flight MH370 deliberately crashed the plane. They include the man who spent two years heading the search, who now says Captain Zaharie Amad Shah carefully planned a murder-suicide mission.

The Malaysia Airlines jet was on a routine flight from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing on 8 March 2014 with 239 people on board when it disappeared.

Analysis of satellite data indicates it ran out of fuel and crashed in the Indian Ocean west of Australia, thousands of miles from its intended destination.


Some debris from the Boeing 777 has been washed up on Indian Ocean beaches. But the biggest underwater search in history, coordinated by the Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB), was called off in January 2017 after two years.



The seabed search was led by Martin Dolan, who told a special edition of the 60 Minutes Australia programme: “This was planned, this was deliberate, and it was done over an extended period of time.”

Captain Zaharie, aged 53, was accompanied on the flight deck by an inexperienced first officer, Fariq Abdul Hamid – who was on his first Boeing 777 mission without a training captain overseeing him.

Six days after the plane disappeared, their homes in the Malaysian capital were searched, and computer equipment taken away. It contained evidence suggesting Captain Zaharie had used flight simulation software to prepare for diverting the aircraft.

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Pilots Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, left, and Fariq Abdul
Captain Simon Harvey, a British pilot who has flown the 777 widely in Asia, said the mission was “planned meticulously to make the aircraft disappear”, including flying along the Thai-Malaysian frontier to avoid either side taking action.

“If you were commissioning me to make a 777 disappear, I would do exactly the same thing,” he told the programme.

A Canadian air-crash investigator, Larry Vance, said he believed that Captain Zaharie put on an oxygen mask before depressurising the plane to render the passengers and crew unconscious: “There is no reason not to believe that the pilot did not depressurise the cabin to incapacitate the passengers.”


Mr Dolan dismissed the possibility that terrorism was involved. “If this had been a terrorist event, it’s almost invariable that a terrorist organisation will claim credit for the event.

“There was no such claim made.”

The panel disagreed about whether Captain Zaharie was in control of the aircraft at the time it hit the ocean.

Mr Vance said he believed the pilot “ditched it deliberately to keep it as intact as possible,” while Mr Dolan said the evidence was that “the aircraft spiralled into the ocean and crashed”.

There have been several confirmed cases of murder-suicide committed by pilots, including Germanwings flight 9525 in 2015.


All 150 passengers and crew on board the Airbus A320 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf died when the first officer Andreas Lubitz deliberately crashed the plane into the French Alps. He had previously been declared unfit for work by his doctor.

A second search of a wider area of the Indian Ocean seabed for the remains of MH370 began in January, conducted by a private firm called Ocean Infinity. The underwater search in an area north of the previous zone has so far found nothing related to the missing aircraft. The current search is likely to end in June.

In the absence of firm proof of what happened to MH370, many possible explanations have been proposed. A surprisingly popular theory is that the aircraft was downed by a missile from North Korea – even though the rogue state is 2,000 miles away from the area in which the aircraft was lost.


Holy fuck
 
I was reading about this earlier, and considering the pilot apparently went out of his way to avoid radar detection, murder-suicide or just plain suicide would make sense. That or, y’know, ALIENS.
 
So strange, at the very least hopefully the bit about depressurizing the plane is true. They were all likely dead, at least brain dead, before they splashed.
 
I was pretty obsessed with this when it first happened. I remember the theory about depressurizing the cabin to knock out the passengers, but it was usually alongside theories the plane had been stolen/hijacked. This makes more sense anyway and I'm glad there is something of a conclusion.
 
"Captain Zaharie Amad Shah." Well there's a name that inspires confidence. Usually someone with a name like that is hijacking the plane and not being paid to fly it. I wonder what religion he was.
 
Back in the day when this was still hot news, there was a rumour :

There was some conflict in the middle East around that time (I forgot which), and apparently some kind military tech was stolen from the Americans, and the Chinese secretly coveted it.
So, they sent scientists to check it out, and if I remember correctly, they acquired said tech, and was en route home to China when the plane they boarded, vanished.
 
Makes you wonder how many suicide-by-plane-crash there was back in the day BEFORE black boxes and GPS made it a something you really had to meticulously plan instead of just auguring it into the ground at your first opportunity and letting the investigators flip a coin to decide if it was bad weather or mechanical failure, because nobody would (and did) suspect a suicidal pilot?
 
Murder suicide was raised within days, if not hours, of the plane's disappearance becoming public knowledge. Also the decompression theory, where passengers and crew were incapacitated quickly and without warning. I don't think the analysis is definitive without a note from Captain Shah saying, "Yep, it was me, I did it, it was me all along". The main argument, if not the only argument, against Captain Shah committing highly planned mass murder has been the complete lack of obvious motive. But then humans do fucked up shit for no reason so often it's virtually a species characteristic.

EDIT: Okay, so a little extra digging turns up that this panel was formed by 60 Minutes, a rather dodgy current affairs program with a reputation for sometimes being deliberately inaccurate. That significantly lowers the credibility of the verdict.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...s/news-story/3a774712886270bc455550a0d1d9a04a

What was missing from the commentary was a motive — what possible reason could Capt Zaharie have had to justify the murder of 238 other people?

Just days after the plane disappeared, Zaharie and his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, were named by the Malaysian authorities as prime suspects in the aircraft’s disappearance.

From the very start, there were rumours that Zaharie’s marriage was in trouble and that he had decided to down the plane in a fit of rage and grief after learning that she was about to leave him.

Another theory claimed that he hijacked his own plane in protest of the jailing of then-Malaysian opposition leader Anwar Ibrahim, and as a way to destabilise the corrupt government of Najib Razak.

Zaharie’s sisters Sakinab Shah and Dah Ah have repeatedly denied both theories, claiming his marriage was going strong and arguing that he simply wasn’t smart enough to evade “all the hi-tech satellites in the world”.

Blaine Gibson, a US lawyer turned MH370 hunter who has collected dozens of pieces of suspected debris from the missing plane which have washed up in Madagascar and the coast of South Africa, pointed out in 2016 that both pilots were heavily scrutinised.

“They have gone under the microscope for more than two years and nothing in their personal lives indicates they could have done this,” Mr Gibson said.

Both pilots were cleared by Malaysian authorities, who examined psychological reports and footage of their behaviour before they boarded the doomed flight and found no red flags.
 
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Then why'd he go through all that trouble of flying way off course, then crashing? Why not just crash the plane somewhere along the normal route? Was he afraid that if people knew the plane crash was a suicide that people would harass his wife and family?

If it was a deliberate act, there's no doubt that it was planned specifically to fuck with a lot of people's heads and become the unsolvable mystery of the millennia.
 
Reminds me a bit of the weird rationality of Stephen Paddock's shooting.
 
Murder suicide was raised within days, if not hours, of the plane's disappearance becoming public knowledge. Also the decompression theory, where passengers and crew were incapacitated quickly and without warning. I don't think the analysis is definitive without a note from Captain Shah saying, "Yep, it was me, I did it, it was me all along". The main argument, if not the only argument, against Captain Shah committing highly planned mass murder has been the complete lack of obvious motive. But then humans do fucked up shit for no reason so often it's virtually a species characteristic.

EDIT: Okay, so a little extra digging turns up that this panel was formed by 60 Minutes, a rather dodgy current affairs program with a reputation for sometimes being deliberately inaccurate. That significantly lowers the credibility of the verdict.

http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...s/news-story/3a774712886270bc455550a0d1d9a04a

Unless a government panel actually involved in MH370 comes to the same conclusion then its meaningless.

Until someone actually finds the wreckage you can have millions of different theories which are all plausible, but all that you really know for certain is that almost the entire world's oceans are a mystery.

If a Nazi U-boat was only just found last month 10 miles off the coast of Denmark:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-south-america-mengele-eichmann-a8312581.html

If a WW2 submarine has been sitting for 73 years just 10 nautical miles of a major European city then MH370 could be sitting anywhere and there's no guarantee it will ever be found anytime soon. 10 nautical miles makes it within international waters, so if a first world country doesn't even know whats in its own property then no one knows whats in the middle of nowhere.
 
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"Captain Zaharie Amad Shah." Well there's a name that inspires confidence. Usually someone with a name like that is hijacking the plane and not being paid to fly it. I wonder what religion he was.
Was going to say this. "Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah and his co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid". Malaysia. 100% Islamic murder/suicide.
 
Perhaps he was just the most ambitious Baneposter of all time.
 
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