Metal Gear

[Problematic User Forever]

Been replaying Metal Gear Solid 2 and two things that bug me

1) Didn't anyone, in the entire time that Solidus was President, comment on how Solid Snake looks like the President of the United Fucking States? Or comment on how Solidus looks like Big Boss?

2) Also, Solidus was bred to be the perfect soldier. A 1:1 Big Boss clone unlike Snake or Liquid. Doesn't it seem like such a waste for him to be dealing Congresscritters and legislation and all that shit? Isn't that like having a Ferrari and then just using it to do your shopping?

1. Snake was living as a hermit in Alaska during Solidus term as President. I mean, it's easily possible that the few people Snake did interact with at that time could have commented on it and he just didn't think anything of it.

I'm pretty sure based on the images they use of "George Sears" that Solidus didn't actually model his look on Big Boss all that much until after Shadow Moses and he went underground. I'm also not even sure what the canon is on just how well known "Big Boss" actually was at this point. I know back in the MGS2 days there was lore that he was on the cover of Time magazine or something, but I think that's either been retcon or ignored by people as not being "officially from Kojima" or something. Either way, I'd say that George Sears "look" was probably different enough from Big Bosses "look" that people who weren't "in the know" would even notice.

2. The whole "the third brother is the president" thing is such a glaringly "Japanese" plot point that it's one of those "don't think about it and just enjoy yourself" things. You could make the argument that he has Big Bosses charisma or something, but what does it fucking matter when the whole vote was staged anyways? You could make the point that he had the same acumen that Big Boss had in running his fortress nations, but when The Patriots is the actual entity controlling things what does it matter?

Like the only real justification I see is that "the patriots needed it to happen as part of S3" or something, and even then I feel like that doesn't hold up. It's been a while and my autism is slipping but I think S3 started after Shadow Moses.

 

[UnknownUser]

Yeah the Patriots rigged the voting in the US elections, but you still needed a guy with enough presence and charisma to sell the charade. Solidus could sure as fuck sell a speech with his whole Sons of Liberty bit at the end game.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

Otacon tells Raiden it. Why couldn't it be they just didn't find his body? Kojima is such a nincompoop.

They were probably putting in evidence of Snake's death to induce confusion in the player as to whether the leader of the Sons of Liberty is actually Solid Snake. Remember, Snake and Solidus have the same VA in Japanese so it was easier to sell that the terrorists' leader could be him.

 

[Dr J]

They were probably putting in evidence of Snake's death to induce confusion in the player as to whether the leader of the Sons of Liberty is actually Solid Snake. Remember, Snake and Solidus have the same VA in Japanese so it was easier to sell that the terrorists' leader could be him.

Yeah, the English voice acting is actually really underwhelming for MGS2, and the translation ruins at least one in-joke (same thing happens in MGS4, too)

 

[Lone MacReady II]

Remember how they kept big boss the same in japanese MGSV, but turned him into the guy from 24 in the dub because Koji wanted to wine and dine more hollywoods? Poor Hayter, he was also a hollywood, but he wasn't "enough" of a hollywood for Kojango... now he's wining and dining a sub-saharan grfiter, afuera koji, afuera and do not come back.

 

[Dr J]

Remember how they kept big boss the same in japanese MGSV, but turned him into the guy from 24 in the dub because Koji wanted to wine and dine more hollywoods? Poor Hayter, he was also a hollywood, but he wasn't "enough" of a hollywood for Kojango... now he's wining and dining a sub-saharan grfiter, afuera koji, afuera and do not come back.

The most hilarious irony of all that is that Hayter is probably the one who introduced Kojima to Avi Arad (Hayter wrote and Arad produced the X-Men movie). Then Avi Arad's the one who suggested recasting Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Sutherland acts rings around lispy gay-ass Hayter. Why must people insist the cheap voice actor and mediocre screenwriter who apparently recorded all his lines in a shower stall was any good in the role?

"A Hind-D?" like he wants to blow it.

 

[capitalBBustard]

The most hilarious irony of all that is that Hayter is probably the one who introduced Kojima to Avi Arad (Hayter wrote and Arad produced the X-Men movie). Then Avi Arad's the one who suggested recasting Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland

This is baseless nonsense. Hayter and Kojumbo had next to no interaction during the creation of the games, the English VA was basically just a dub and Kojima was barely involved with it.

Hayter himself has gone on record several times that he met Kojima twice or so and has exchanged maybe 2 sentences with him in his life.

Yet people still make up new fanfiction about Kojima's Biblical betrayal of Hayter. Oral tradition at this point. In the canon of make-believe Hayter introduced Kojima to Hollywood, apparently.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Yeah the Patriots rigged the voting in the US elections, but you still needed a guy with enough presence and charisma to sell the charade. Solidus could sure as fuck sell a speech with his whole Sons of Liberty bit at the end game.

1. The Patriots raised Solidus, so they were very careful to include elocution training. Gotta get that (genetic?) Snake grumbling and hurgling out of him or else someone will post it to the Internet. "The President Says 'hnngh' 10-Minute MegaMix [56K WARNING]."
2. In a universe developed by autists, everyone in MGS is faceblind. If you don't have a bandana or a facial scar, you're not getting recognized. Big Boss himself just grabs whatever gets in his radius with blonde hair and figures out if it's his new girlfriend/boyfriendlieutenant/war mom only after he gets them inside the cardboard box.

 

[Problematic User Forever]

Yeah the Patriots rigged the voting in the US elections, but you still needed a guy with enough presence and charisma to sell the charade.

I mean...do you?

In game, President James Johnson didn't seem particularly charismatic and he seemingly filled the role nicely.

In real life we literally had a demented retard who hid in his basement sleeping for most his campaign win the Presidency just 5 years ago.

But either way, I stand by the idea it's just one of those Japanese plot points we should just enjoy and not think about too much.

 

[Wesker]

but you still needed a guy with enough presence and charisma to sell the charade.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

In game, President James Johnson didn't seem particularly charismatic and he seemingly filled the role nicely.

Johnson risked everything and threw his lot in with terrorists in a desperate ploy to rail against his puppetmasters, gets betrayed by said terrorists and once he meets Raiden he becomes aware that every single move he made was accounted for by said puppetmasters. Plus, he's probably been awake for more than 24 hours at that point. Give the man a break.

 

[Prophetic Spirit]

Johnson risked everything and threw his lot in with terrorists in a desperate ploy to rail against his puppetmasters, gets betrayed by said terrorists and once he meets Raiden he becomes aware that every single move he made was accounted for by said puppetmasters. Plus, he's probably been awake for more than 24 hours at that point. Give the man a break.

Well, he checks on Raiden grabbing his crotch thinking he's a girl.
Gay.

 

[UnknownUser]

I mean...do you?

In game, President James Johnson didn't seem particularly charismatic and he seemingly filled the role nicely.

In real life we literally had a demented retard who hid in his basement sleeping for most his campaign win the Presidency just 5 years ago.

But either way, I stand by the idea it's just one of those Japanese plot points we should just enjoy and not think about too much.

Joe Bidens sham election kinda proves my point. The fraud was so obvious only a pedant or hyper partisan actually believes it wasn't rigged. Sadly Metal Gear shadow government is way better then our real one.

 

[Dr J]

This is baseless nonsense.

No it isn't. You show me some evidence that the guy who wrote the X-Men movie didn't introduce the guy who produced the X-Men movie to Kojima, that it just happened to be a coincidence

Hayter and Kojumbo had next to no interaction during the creation of the games, the English VA was basically just a dub and Kojima was barely involved with it.

'We've never worked closely together' /= 'We've never met' and 'I didn't introduce my producer friend to him on the occasions we did meet'

Also, from what I remember, Hayter wanted to write the screenplay when they were talking about adapting MGS as a film, and Avi Arad was instrumental in getting it shown to the execs at Sony

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

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this, real life is such a farce the events of Metal Gear seem more plausible, and at least fun.

the idea a cat and cowboy obsessed man outplayed 12 A.I. Super Computers made by a Nigger and a Lesbian is way cooler than the shit we are dealing with.

 

[Dr J]

this, real life is such a farce the events of Metal Gear seem more plausible, and at least fun.

the idea a cat and cowboy obsessed man outplayed 12 A.I. Super Computers made by a Nigger and a Lesbian is way cooler than the shit we are dealing with.

Who was the lesbian?

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

Who was the lesbian?

Dr. Strangelove, who thankefully died before she could finish the Patriots, so Nigger DARPA Man had to finish the job, poorly, I guess, since they soon after engineered his death.

not that Strangelove is a bad person, but she would have absolutely made the Patriots way better.

 

[Dr J]

Dr. Strangelove, who thankefully died before she could finish the Patriots, so Nigger DARPA Man had to finish the job, poorly, I guess, since they soon after engineered his death.

not that Strangelove is a bad person, but she would have absolutely made the Patriots way better.

I can't remember Strangelove having anything to do with the Patriots. Not directly, anyway.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

I can't remember Strangelove having anything to do with the Patriots. Not directly, anyway.

she directly made the baseline for them, and was going to finish them off but got nabbled by Skullface, because he knew she was doing just that.

Its why they made so much about her making A.I.'s in Peacewalker.

So indirectly, Huey saved the world by killing his once lover for the most petty fucking reason ever.