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30+GameOvers said:
I only support the remake of SoL if:
1) They don't update it for the "modern audiences". I don't just make it woke, I mean keep it period appropriate, everything about the setting and writing is perfect and it would not work in any other time period. No smart phones, no reference to the modern internet, nothing like that. Keep it as is.
2) We get the original intended battle against Metal Gear Ray in destroyed NYC, even if it's only a hidden final boss.

Otherwise, the game is still aging like fine wine. Oh, and bring back the blood in the Tanker intro of the game, for some reason that was removed from the slashed up corpses in every single release after the original one on PS2, even Subsistence.
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While all of that would be great. But if Delta is any indication on the future, it'll be 1:1 with just a new paint job. Which honestly I'd be okay with too. Maybe add some new modes and give new outfits. Maybe new weapons too.

BTW I thought Delta was available Tuesday 12AM but it's actually 8AM which is fucking gay but oh well.
 
Wesker said:
BTW I thought Delta was available Tuesday 12AM but it's actually 8AM which is fucking gay but oh well.
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It's really annoying that Xbox and Playstation not only already got the ability to preload the game from preorders today while PC is still waiting, they also get the game 9 hours early in America, at least according to this map.
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thhrang said:
It's really annoying that Xbox and Playstation not only already got the ability to preload the game from preorders today while PC is still waiting, they also get the game 9 hours early in America, at least according to this map.
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I guess the trade off is it runs like hotdog water on console. At least with my internet I can download and boot the game inside of 10 minutes probably.
 
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there's a mixture of both the original MGS3 engine & UE5 in the codebase
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Huh, I didn't realize they pulled an Oblivion Remastered with it, I thought it was completely ground-up and they had just re-used the mocap data. Interesting.

(I assume this guy does know what he's talking about, he's a dev of the MGSHDFix mod.)
 
I liked MGS V in gameplay. Basically a quick action MGS PW.
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Huh, I didn't realize they pulled an Oblivion Remastered with it, I thought it was completely ground-up and they had just re-used the mocap data. Interesting.

(I assume this guy does know what he's talking about, he's a dev of the MGSHDFix mod.)
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Damn. I thought the game was based of those pachinko cutscenes but builded from MGSV's Fox Engine.
Sounds gay & shady as fuck. At this point i just gonna buy the collection vol. 1.
 
Prophetic Spirit said:
I thought the game was based of those pachinko cutscenes but builded from MGSV's Fox Engine.
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I still don't know why people think this. FOX Engine was a proprietary engine built well over a decade ago now for the prior generation of consoles, its' last several games were Soccer reskins that ended in 2020, the people who made it (IIRC) left Konami aside from KojiPro, and it was always super unwieldy to work with even at the best of times. I wish we had gotten a FOX Engine 2.0, but unfortunately we don't live in that timeline.

Prophetic Spirit said:
Sounds gay & shady as fuck. At this point i just gonna buy the collection vol. 1.
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I'd say just actually watch gameplay and see if you think it looks fun. It definitely seems like the gameplay is taking lots of cues from V.
 
Sorry for the doublepost but I think it's worth.

Preloading the game is now available on Steam. @Wesker
 
LatentNinja said:
I was going to say I don't think there really is a lot you can bother to censor, but Sigint's "shit tank" nightmare codec call got edited or a phoned in recording to change every instance of the word shit to crap far as I saw. Haven't the slightest clue why the word "shit" required the extra effort but guess that's where we are.

Not sure what else they could have messed with all that much. Maybe the goofy waterfall scene if you leave the transmitter in but that would be a pretty dumb thing to change. EVA's medical history had some silliness in there. Actually that reminds me that you can safely assume her xray nipples won't still be visible in the suvival viewer. Which isn't relevant and doesn't change anything, so removing it is as pointless as having it there in the first place was. But if you NEEDED to check every single thing then yeah those are possibly changed.

Personally waiting to see someone's full on "100% autism all secrets and eater eggs" run. Not invested enough to play it but I do like the games enough to want to see how they handled it all. It still generally looks quite good even if I feel the codec call change is retarded. Also shows that even if they couldn't make a new game worth a shit, there's potential in working with the older ones. If I was them I would consider using this as a basis for MG1+2. Or even doing something with PW/PortOps. They could use it for basically all of the Big Boss games really.
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Cut to the Konami design room, they've agreed not to change anything about Eva's sexiness or the Raikov gay jokes, but "nooooo we cannotu say shitu, veeeerry problematicu"

thhrang said:
I'm kinda wondering if Konami ever actually does try to make a Metal Gear Solid 6, if it would either be a Big Boss game that would actually bridge the gap and show what he was up to before the events of the MSX games separate from Venom, or if they would try to tap into a Solid Snake story again and have an adventure set between 2 and 4 where he goes on another mission for Philanthropy with Otacon at a point before he has the body of a geriatric from the advanced aging. I could very easily see Konami wanting to cynically tap the Solid Snake & Otacon mine of gold again for The Nostalgia™ in a new non-remake, but they also can't really pull out Old Snake for another bout, so I'd imagine something like this would be the middleground. How they would justify its' existence beyond wanting money, I have no idea.
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I maintain that it should be a WW2 era MGS where you play as the Boss. Nazi super weapons, philosophers legacy, the cobras, it could be fantastic. Make it like V where you can have one of them accompany you on a mission. I'm tired of stealthing, time to bring The Fury.
 
While I wait for it to preload, I'll point out here that last night I was watching an MGS autist attempt getting all the achievements in his first two playthroughs because he knows the game inside and out, and he found a few new things that tickled his autism:
  • He doesn't like how the box works (they made it like V wherein it has an animation when deployed, which makes it slower. Also doesn't seem to go faster up slopes anymore, I.E. box strats were nerfed)
  • They got rid of the cheese method to beat The Fear
  • I was kinda zoning in and out by this point, but I think The Pain and The Fury might have new moves?
  • They somewhat simplified the timings on countering The Boss's CQC (but it still isn't easy - just more signposted)
I'm sure there's some more differences but those came to mind this morning upon thinking on it again. He found the bosses to be more than adequately difficult during his Extreme playthrough for FOXHOUND rank.
 
thhrang said:
While I wait for it to preload, I'll point out here that last night I was watching an MGS autist attempt getting all the achievements in his first two playthroughs because he knows the game inside and out, and he found a few new things that tickled his autism:
  • He doesn't like how the box works (they made it like V wherein it has an animation when deployed, which makes it slower. Also doesn't seem to go faster up slopes anymore, I.E. box strats were nerfed)
  • They got rid of the cheese method to beat The Fear
  • I was kinda zoning in and out by this point, but I think The Pain and The Fury might have new moves?
  • They somewhat simplified the timings on countering The Boss's CQC (but it still isn't easy - just more signposted)
I'm sure there's some more differences but those came to mind this morning upon thinking on it again. He found the bosses to be more than adequately difficult during his Extreme playthrough for FOXHOUND rank.
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That's unfortunate. Although I always beat the Fear using the poison method. Sucks about boxes not doing that since I started using that trick with the HD collection.

I wonder if cooking grenades still make your footsteps silent.
 
thhrang said:
I can't remember if the guy tried this or not, I guess we'll find out.
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You up and running? Mine just started. No issues with running but I'm still in the opening cutscenes. I read on the steam forums people are getting crashing.
 
Wesker said:
You up and running? Mine just started. No issues with running but I'm still in the opening cutscenes. I read on the steam forums people are getting crashing.
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Am in gameplay. For shits and giggles I'm actually running it on my Steam Deck. Not optimal, but it does run fine enough. I'll post if anything fucky happens/if it crashes.
 
thhrang said:
Am in gameplay. For shits and giggles I'm actually running it on my Steam Deck. Not optimal, but it does run fine enough. I'll post if anything fucky happens/if it crashes.
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So far so good with mine. It's runs and looks great even on minimum settings. Gameplay is taking a bit to get used to. Had only one audio bug in the opening cutscene.
 
TheArtilleryman said:
Cut to the Konami design room, they've agreed not to change anything about Eva's sexiness or the Raikov gay jokes, but "nooooo we cannotu say shitu, veeeerry problematicu"
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Yeah the logic they try to work off is confusing as all Hell to me. The credits apparently removed the hammers and sickles you can make appear from messing with the analogs or whatever. Unless the person I watched just failed to find them yet the paratroopers and peace signs showed up fine. Odd choice for a game set in Russia during The Cold War. It's still on the volgin camo though.
You would almost think the "fairy disguise" comment The Boss makes would be gone but nope, still in. "This Bitch is wearing perfume." Still there. So is "You dirty whore." But the word shit being said a few times in an optional call was too much.

They're just the weirdest changes I can imagine bothering with for no reason. They're all minor enough that I don't get why you would do it in the first place, albeit technically they also don't change anything. Silent Hill 2 remake had the word shit without issue. But MGS3 I guess is more kid friendly or something? Otherwise as far as I could tell there isn't actually much changed unless I forgot a few oddities. He didn't do ALL the easter eggs so he'll do more in depth codec call hunts etc later.

I fell asleep after the waterfall so while I know he finished the game, anything beyond that point is past me except the camo thing. Intend to finish that vod today.
They did manage to fuck up having Snake Eater time itself with the ladder climb though. That was a shame.
 
LatentNinja said:
Yeah the logic they try to work off is confusing as all Hell to me. The credits apparently removed the hammers and sickles you can make appear from messing with the analogs or whatever. Unless the person I watched just failed to find them yet the paratroopers and peace signs showed up fine. Odd choice for a game set in Russia during The Cold War. It's still on the volgin camo though.
You would almost think the "fairy disguise" comment The Boss makes would be gone but nope, still in. "This Bitch is wearing perfume." Still there. So is "You dirty whore." But the word shit being said a few times in an optional call was too much.

They're just the weirdest changes I can imagine bothering with for no reason. They're all minor enough that I don't get why you would do it in the first place, albeit technically they also don't change anything. Silent Hill 2 remake had the word shit without issue. But MGS3 I guess is more kid friendly or something? Otherwise as far as I could tell there isn't actually much changed unless I forgot a few oddities. He didn't do ALL the easter eggs so he'll do more in depth codec call hunts etc later.

I fell asleep after the waterfall so while I know he finished the game, anything beyond that point is past me except the camo thing. Intend to finish that vod today.
They did manage to fuck up having Snake Eater time itself with the ladder climb though. That was a shame.
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It has to be a translation thing. Google tells me that "kuso" means both shit and crap (and also fuck).

I'm downloading now, will hopefully get a couple of hours tonight.

Not letting me play it for another 2 days unless I forked over another 10 bucks was a dirty trick.
 
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