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Milwaukee Macho Man said:
Hell, I'd still like to know if Kojima placing Tselinoyarsk in the same geographic area that Zanzibar Land was said to be in was supposed to mean anything or what. I know the MGS4 novelization apparently claims Tselinoyarsk became Zanzibar Land after the Soviet Union split but I wonder if that was an actual idea he was toying around with in his head or not.
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Tselinoyarsk was pretty unpopulated (even before the nuke). I figured it made sense that when Big Boss was looking for an area to resettle, he'd go for somewhere in the former USSR because they had a lot of land and a willingness to be bribed.

Having the assistance of incredibly-motivated Russian weirdo Ocelot would only help with bribing/blackmailing/murdering the correct ex-Soviets to accomplish the settlement.

Choosing Tselinoyarsk over a different chunk of former SSR could be Ocelot's fault, some kind of "I picked it because it's the place where we first met/The Boss died/you became the legendary Big Boss" thing. OK, fine, since you have the paperwork already done.
 
Aunt Carol said:
Tselinoyarsk was pretty unpopulated (even before the nuke). I figured it made sense that when Big Boss was looking for an area to resettle, he'd go for somewhere in the former USSR because they had a lot of land and a willingness to be bribed.

Having the assistance of incredibly-motivated Russian weirdo Ocelot would only help with bribing/blackmailing/murdering the correct ex-Soviets to accomplish the settlement.

Choosing Tselinoyarsk over a different chunk of former SSR could be Ocelot's fault, some kind of "I picked it because it's the place where we first met/The Boss died/you became the legendary Big Boss" thing. OK, fine, since you have the paperwork already done.
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Nah, Big Boss went to Zanzibar Land because the mercenary war was being fought I'm pretty sure. He didn't have to bribe anyone, he simply had to win the war.


like there's so much shit from that time period that could have been fleshed out if they continued with remakes or retellings of the original games. There could have been a whole thing about how the bulk of Outer Heaven mercenaries were in fact fighting in Zanzibar Land during Metal Gear 1, and the fall of Outer Heaven basically turned them into refugee soldiers or something.
 
Milwaukee Macho Man said:
Nah, Big Boss went to Zanzibar Land because the mercenary war was being fought I'm pretty sure. He didn't have to bribe anyone, he simply had to win the war.

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Thank you. Metal Gear lore is so fuckin' weird that sometimes it actively escapes my brain.

So it was already called "Zanzibar Province." In the Baltics. That just raises more questions!

Paying Big Boss and his pals and robots to come help your tiny nation win independence, and then just deciding to let him stay/be President-for-Life does make a kind of sense, though. It's like adopting an army.
 
Aunt Carol said:
Thank you. Metal Gear lore is so fuckin' weird that sometimes it actively escapes my brain.
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So much of it is told in old manuals, promo materials and out of the way codec calls it's normal. On top of that, character motivations changed so much as the series went on. Honestly even though it's all we have I'd almost say the stuff from the MSX games is loose canon at best.

That's why I wish Kojima would have revisited it, although I now believe he never would have even if the Konami breakup never happened.
 
Milwaukee Macho Man said:
So much of it is told in old manuals, promo materials and out of the way codec calls it's normal. On top of that, character motivations changed so much as the series went on. Honestly even though it's all we have I'd almost say the stuff from the MSX games is loose canon at best.

That's why I wish Kojima would have revisited it, although I now believe he never would have even if the Konami breakup never happened.
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Apparently we needed a game where a body double of Big Boss had a slapfight with an edgelord instead.
 
Aunt Carol said:
Paying Big Boss and his pals and robots to come help your tiny nation win independence, and then just deciding to let him stay/be President-for-Life does make a kind of sense, though. It's like adopting an army.
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It would make sense if they were embedded into the country as their private military while the old order crumbles. If they just staked out an area, declared independence, then filled it with dudes, weapons and metal gears then every country on earth would be interested in bombing them ASAP. If they're embedded(squatting) in a country/society/culture that would be much trickier.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole said:
It would make sense if they were embedded into the country as their private military while the old order crumbles. If they just staked out an area, declared independence, then filled it with dudes, weapons and metal gears then every country on earth would be interested in bombing them ASAP. If they're embedded(squatting) in a country/society/culture that would be much trickier.
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Just need to claim they're peacekeeping forces doing local security, and have all the right officials bribed/threatened into agreeing.
 
Snekposter said:
Just need to claim they're peacekeeping forces doing local security, and have all the right officials bribed/threatened into agreeing.
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Or provide a legit function for the nation in what would have been tumultuous times, something that would actually look good.

I saw a Dankula video recently about a crazy american that built up security forces in Congo which would also serve as his private army that would be used to conquer the world. Entertaining story.
In December, Amodeo’s consultant group, AQMI Strategy Corporation, was contacted by Dr. Oscar Kashala’s campaign director. After decades of rebel uprisings, a transitional government had been set up, and free elections were scheduled on July 30, 2006. Kashala, the UREC party’s candidate for the Democratic Republic of the Congo required, not only political consulting, but—due to systemic corruption in the current regime and the violent nature of African politics—also required Amodeo’s ability to provide private security and financing.
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With the help of AQMI, Kashala’s numbers were rising. His unanticipated surge in popularity was threatening to split the vote and (with a little luck) seize the Presidency. The election was eleven weeks away. Political assassinations were the norm in African politics and Kashala’s rivals were making credible threats.
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Something like that, securing a democratic election in a country looks pretty good.
 
Tselinoyarsk and Zanzibarland are definitely the same part of the world, even if it's never outright stated it's too much of a coincidence for Kojima not to have intended that as a read between the lines thing.

If it doesn't make real world sense just look at Tselinoyarsk as kind of like Racoon City in RE, it's the "real world" but with added fictional places.

The ending of MGSV seems to imply MG1 itself exists in the Metal Gear world and was a game Venom Snake programmed in his spare time I guess? I think Kojima wants us to look at the 8 bit games as not quite the literal version of the events given the massive technological gap and some plot inconsistencies.

Maybe Kojima intended to revisit those plots, maybe he wants them to be kind of mysterious, legendary.

The whole series plays with the idea of being a video game, breaking the forth wall, the idea is these are events happening in some realistic universe but what we're seeing as the player is not necessarily the "reality" of what's happening, which is why Colonel Campbell tells us "press the circle button" and Psycho Mantis reads our memory card, it actually adds a sense of verisimilitude than it takes it away in a really clever way, it's like we are getting a glimpse into some other universe being translated as a "game" we're playing.

Kojima's had that sort of stuff on the brain for a while it seems, the Snake Tale "External Gazer" in MGS2: Substance was my introduction to quantum mechanics and the idea of parallel universes and it blew my mind, only recently 20 years later do we see this sort of stuff start to pop up in wider popular culture ala Doctor Strange 2, Spider-Man: No Way Home etc.

Sometimes Kojima's "Kojimaness" makes for something retarded and sometimes it really does lead to a stroke of genius and stuff that was decades ahead of it's time.
 
Dom Cruise said:
Kojima's had that sort of stuff on the brain for a while it seems, the Snake Tale "External Gazer" in MGS2: Substance was my introduction to quantum mechanics and the idea of parallel universes and it blew my mind, only recently 20 years later do we see this sort of stuff start to pop up in wider popular culture ala Doctor Strange 2, Spider-Man: No Way Home etc.
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Dude, parallel universes were a thing before Kojima and Marvel lmfao
 
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