Metal Gear

[Tom Nook's Gloryhole]

So I heard that MGS5 can be modded heavily so what are some recommended mods in order to make the game fun? I've already started fucking around with trainers because the grind was such a complete fucking slog that an optimal situation at one point was to climb into the back of a truck while it moves for a chance for my materials to finally fucking process.

The whole game feels like Red Dead Redemption 2 levels of "how can we waste peoples time the most?" and those chopper sequences are atrocious, simply fucking horrible.

 

[Captain Syrup]

Mgs 3 pretty much spells that the boss was set up from the start

Lore-wise, DOD dude is the biggest douchebag in this series.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Mgs 3 pretty much spells that the boss was set up from the start, PO just confirms it
Then PW reconfirms it...again and snake acts like he's never heard this....despite the fact that he abandoned the US army due to the poor treatment to the boss

Yeah, it's why I say they could have ended it at MGS3 and everything would have been fine. It's obvious that at worst they set the boss up to die, at best they just didn't give a fuck about her, which sets up the perfect storm of Big Boss resenting "Governments" and wanting to create a world of war by soldiers for soldiers. It's why I find Kojima fanboys to be ridiculously retarded when they say we needed Big Bosses motivations, because we already had them and they only got more wildly inconsistent and wishy washy as they continued diving into his story.

And then there are the people who say "if they stopped at MGS3 you'd never know who the Patriots were!" and I shake my head because the end result was ultimately "a bunch of AI's" which is exactly where we were at the end of MGS2. The idea that there needed to be an identity to "the illuminati", let alone that identity being every fucking character from MGS3, was ultimately a huge waste and just ruined what little good there was in the overall plot of the series.

Lore-wise, DOD dude is the biggest douchebag in this series.
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Honestly, I think the exchange between Big Boss and the DOD dude in Peace Walker is about the only cool part of that game and is the only time in any of *his* games that you really feel like Big Boss is a big deal and not just some cult leader.

"Sir, there's someone on the line."
"The President?"
"No, he claims to be...Big Boss."
"Big Boss!? Patch him through!"

And truth be told, if the game had ended with them standing down on nuking the Soviets on the word of Big Boss alone instead of just having some asshole in the room go rogue and try to nuke them anyways and then having the whole hooplah with "the Boss ghost" drowning Peace Walker it would have been way better.

So I heard that MGS5 can be modded heavily so what are some recommended mods in order to make the game fun? I've already started fucking around with trainers because the grind was such a complete fucking slog that an optimal situation at one point was to climb into the back of a truck while it moves for a chance for my materials to finally fucking process.

The whole game feels like Red Dead Redemption 2 levels of "how can we waste peoples time the most?" and those chopper sequences are atrocious, simply fucking horrible.

It's been a few years since I've seriously played MGS V, but I always stuck with the tried and true Infinite Heaven mod. It lets you mod all sorts of shit, but the specific shit I would mess with were adding Helicopter/Tank patrols to the open world, random skull attacks to the open world as well as random events (helicopter crash causing you to enter the open world injured and with few supplies, random radio jams that would require you to use flares to call in support instead of idroid, stuff like that). It also had a cutscene viewer too and a rudimentary use of the chopper as in game transport instead of it just teleporting you (complete with use of the guns and stuff as you moved across the map)

I think I also used a mod that added S and above soldiers from the start. Made for an interesting playthrough.

I also used appearance mods that would remove the horn and give Venom a more Big Boss/Solidus look. Specifically Saladin and the OGs MGS4 Big Boss Variant because fuck Venom Snake.



I know there was some mod I had that gave Venom a beret too but I can't remember it or find it now. Around the time I stopped they were also starting to be able to develop their own side missions. I remember playing one or two that, while a bit janky with "gameplay" cutscenes, were as complex if not more so than the regular games side missions. I have to assume they have gotten better since then.

Besides that there are various mods to remove development timers, add more animals, remove mission score penalties, make Quiet nude, make Quiet fully clothed. Pretty much what you'd expect, although I'm surprised to find some of the stuff they've added since I last looked but also disappointed since I see a lot of new characters and models but can't seem to find Big Boss in a trench coat look.

Edit: They have a mod manager called Snakebite that is required at this point for most mods I think.

Edit Edit: I see someone added the classic Outer Heaven logo to the games Emblems. I'm probably just being a super oldfag but this is something I'd definitely want if I replayed it today.

 

[The handsome tard]

I know Jeremy Blaustein's original translation of Symphony of the Night was kind of awful and not just because of the cheesy voice acting but shit like calling Legion "Granfalloon", what the fuck?

Honestly, SOTN isnt the same to me without the more cheesy voice acting. I dont know, my mind already has the original copied to a T to the point that hearing the newer stuff they made feels so god damn wrong.

I just want a next gen MGS 3 remake, is that too much to ask? You sold out Konami, just fucking do it already.

MG 1/MG 2: Are we a joke to you?

Monkey's Paw: We get a "Remaster" of MGS3 in the vein of the horrendous GTA 3 Definitive Edition. Here's the theme song:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HFpzp10Qr4o

And you will get "Professional" critics and youtubers simping for the game and saying its superior and that the "trolls" are the ones exaggerating criticism.

Even if it was just in Phantom Pain, if Venom Snake is supposed to be a perfect double of Big Boss, he should sound like him too. Vocal cord manipulation would hardly be the biggest oddity in the franchise.

Thing is, Kojima wanted an excuse to get rid of Hayter for YEARS (they really arent fans of each other despite Hayter loving Snake and MGS). He wasnt "cinematic" enough. Kojima is kind of a cunt when you get to actually know him.

Solidus is a character I appreciate way more now than when I was 14. An even bigger case of squandered potential that Liquid.

Unpopular opinion but honestly? In terms of character, I take Solidus over Liquid. At the end of the day, Liquid is just an angry boy at his father and brother for shit that isnt their fault.

Solidus has actual motivation and, while not a hero, after you hear his speech...its difficult to see him as a complete bad guy. He kind of gives the vibe "Im not good but Im the lesser evil".

Also Rest in Peace John Cygan, your presence wasnt long but it was lasting where it mattered...

 

[Lone Star]

Thing is, Kojima wanted an excuse to get rid of Hayter for YEARS (they really arent fans of each other despite Hayter loving Snake and MGS). He wasnt "cinematic" enough. Kojima is kind of a cunt when you get to actually know him.

Which is kind of weird, I was under the impression that Japanese developers generally didn't put much stock into the dubs of their works.

 

[The handsome tard]

Which is kind of weird, I was under the impression that Japanese developers generally didn't put much stock into the dubs of their works.

Most dont but Kojima is a very loud odd ball from the bunch. I understand his reasons but it always needs to be his way, he cant see that maybe they were better off with Hayter.

 

[Lone Star]

Most dont but Kojima is a very loud odd ball from the bunch. I understand his reasons but it always needs to be his way, he cant see that maybe they were better off with Hayter.

The whole "cinematic" thing is so weird because Venom Snake barely even fucking talks. And most of his little dialogue tends to be in those tapes or something. He tends to talk the least during cutscenes save for a few bits like the ashes speech.

 

[The handsome tard]

The whole "cinematic" thing is so weird because Venom Snake barely even fucking talks. And most of his little dialogue tends to be in those tapes or something. He tends to talk the least during cutscenes save for a few bits like the ashes speech.

Indeed but then it all comes down to vision and what was intentional and what was changed given the rushed deadline. I also find it bizarre that Kojima changed to someone more "cinematic" but at the same time didnt have Sutherland speak that much...feels counter-intuitive if you ask me.

MGS 5 is such an oddball entry ultimately, like an epilogue that we didnt ask for. 4 did conclude things and PW did help end Big Boss's arc into the man he would become.

Why was 5 ultimately "necessary" for the story at large?

 

[Captain Syrup]

The whole "cinematic" thing is so weird because Venom Snake barely even fucking talks.

I'll give Death Stranding credit for that, at least. The acting is on another level.

The characters in TPP lack the outlandish grandeur that made Metal Gear what it was. TPP is just another day at the office.

Some fans genuinely want that, though. Kojima Productions aren't looking to satisfy everyone, but rather their niche audience.

 

[Lone Star]

Indeed but then it all comes down to vision and what was intentional and what was changed given the rushed deadline. I also find it bizarre that Kojima changed to someone more "cinematic" but at the same time didnt have Sutherland speak that much...feels counter-intuitive if you ask me.

MGS 5 is such an oddball entry ultimately, like an epilogue that we didnt ask for. 4 did conclude things and PW did help end Big Boss's arc into the man he would become.

Why was 5 ultimately "necessary" for the story at large?

It's a shame the series ended on such a lackluster note. Gameplay-wise I'd say it's the best in the series, but the story is just a fucking mess.

And clearly it's there to explain how Big Boss died in the first game and then was around for the sequel. Body Doubles, son.

 

[The handsome tard]

It's a shame the series ended on such a lackluster note. Gameplay-wise I'd say it's the best in the series, but the story is just a fucking mess.

And clearly it's there to explain how Big Boss died in the first game and then was around for the sequel. Body Doubles, son.

Because of all the biggest questions in the series is "Just how a legendary mercenary that cheated death multiple times was able to somehow cheat death once again by the hand of his green son who was probably in too much of a hurry to check the body for vitals given the whole place was going kaput in a few minutes?"

Sounds stupid when you put it that way, huh?

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Indeed but then it all comes down to vision and what was intentional and what was changed given the rushed deadline.

Stop this. The game had at least 5 years of development and most of the cutscenes/story work was done earlier in development. Venom Snake not being talkative was 100% intentional and not a fucking "Kojima was rushed" problem.

And clearly it's there to explain how Big Boss died in the first game and then was around for the sequel. Body Doubles, son.

This was already explained in MG2 when it didn't even need to be. He was "rebuilt" with cyborg parts. The exact same way Gray Fox survived being blown up by a landmine.

I can't stress enough how much of MGS was copy/pasting MG2. And I can't stress enough how characters survive impossible things was never a fucking problem until MGS V decided to have the dumbest plot "twist" ever. Did Liquid also have a body double when he survived the Hind fight? Getting blown up inside Rex? Being thrown off of Rex?

 

[Lone Star]

This was already explained in MG2 when it didn't even need to be. He was "rebuilt" with cyborg parts. The exact same way Gray Fox survived being blown up by a landmine.

Yes, and then that got retconned. It was officially stated that the "Big Boss" from the first game was actually Venom Snake. Never mind that apparently Snake didn't notice how Big Boss suddenly lost his robotic arm and the giant piece of metal stuck in his forehead when he encountered him again.

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

Yes, and then that got retconned. It was officially stated that the "Big Boss" from the first game was actually Venom Snake. Never mind that apparently Snake didn't notice how Big Boss suddenly lost his robotic arm and the giant piece of metal stuck in his forehead when he encountered him again.

It being retconned, like the million other retcons Kojima did because he couldn't be bothered to stick to his own story, doesn't stop it from being pointless and retarded is my point.

The idea that it was there simply to explain that point and not because Kojima just felt like doing something creative derivative stupid is some 100% grade A Kojima fanboy cope. Just because it did something doesn't mean it was the point.

 

[Foltest]

I still dislike the frankenguns in MgSV. I found it is jarring after all games had real guns, and then we got this shit. I read that there is a mod that suppose, change them to the real guns.

 

[God of Nothing]

Also Rest in Peace John Cygan, your presence wasnt long but it was lasting where it mattered...

He was fantastic at voicing grumpy old soldier men.
63's not a bad age to go. And cancer is one hell of a bitch. He looked like he aged well in what pictures I've seen of him. Still a shame but it could've been worse.

 

[Lone Star]

It being retconned, like the million other retcons Kojima did because he couldn't be bothered to stick to his own story, doesn't stop it from being pointless and retarded is my point.

The idea that it was there simply to explain that point and not because Kojima just felt like doing something creative derivative stupid is some 100% grade A Kojima fanboy cope. Just because it did something doesn't mean it was the point.

I know, I was just messing around that it was the point of the game. It's all pretty stupid and an unfortunate end to the franchise.

 

[Captain Syrup]

And clearly it's there to explain how Big Boss died in the first game and then was around for the sequel. Body Doubles, son.

Just undermines the entire series if BB was plotting a coup d'etat against Zero and his faction of the Patriots. I think it's pretty confusing why Solid is, more often than not, a 'good guy' considering what happened in the prequels.

• I actually found this to be one of the dumbest parts of MGS4. Why didn't Snake and Ocelot just work together? They both wanted to destroy the Patriots. (In the Tanker chapter, there’s an optional call with Otacon where he explains how, when looking for intel, he keeps hitting a dead end involving some group called “The Patriots.” This is all treated as news to Snake. In the MGS2 menu and digitial graphic novel of MGS1, they retcon Liquid into talking a little bit about them near the end.)
• BB's secondary goal was to create an place of never-ending war without politicians. Venom was loyal to the end, but BB sent Solid Snake to end Venom Snake.

The reality is that Kojima seemed to have no plan after Sons of Liberty and kept writing himself into a corner.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Never mind that apparently Snake didn't notice how Big Boss suddenly lost his robotic arm and the giant piece of metal stuck in his forehead when he encountered him again.

bro he had a hat


One does wonder exactly how "drunk in Alaska" you have to be to not notice the President of the United States looks exactly like an older version of yourself. Especially when you've already been trained by and later killed two older versions of yourself. so you've seen it in motion.

Why didn't Snake and Ocelot just work together? They both wanted to destroy the Patriots.

Ocelot seems like he'd present some challenges as a coworker.

It seems to me that, having made his name on Metal Gear, Kojima wanted to move on and do other things. After he kept getting pulled by management and market forces back to MGS, he realized that the only way he could try X mechanic/explore X issue is if he called it Metal Gear, so that's when he started slinging retcons like he was a mud dauber building a nest.


What we all can learn is that, if you're starting a saga, you need to Babylon 5-out your long-term plot.

And even if it's not a saga, you gotta have an editor; I think the draw with auteurs is that their fans are their own mental editors. Like, I'll watch a David Lynch movie that's four hours long (because nobody could say "no" and some French people gave him money), but when I'm remembering that movie later, I'm remembering maybe two hours of highlights and also stringing together the parts that made thematic sense. It's the same way you sing in the shower and there's post-production in your head.

 

[Friendly Primarina]

One does wonder exactly how "drunk in Alaska" you have to be to not notice the President of the United States looks exactly like an older version of yourself. Especially when you've already been trained by and later killed two older versions of yourself. so you've seen it in motion.

Even if he did notice, why would he care? He was just trying to look out for himself and his dogs at the time (he even says as much to Raiden). He seemed to know all about Solidus when they met face-to-face, so maybe he did figure it out but thought he was best off out of it?