🐱 Men are in trouble. ‘Incels’ are proof.

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The internet has enabled the flourishing of countless subcultures, from the harmless to the less so. Lately, one of the latter group has begun to break into the mainstream: the "incels."
Incel is short for "involuntary celibate," and as their self-imposed name implies, these mostly young men have come to define themselves by their inability to find a sexual or romantic partner. Men who identify as being #foreveralone have gathered online in forums such as Reddit to trade stories of woe.
These communities tend to be self-reinforcing. Members believe that their looks or personal traits have consigned them lifelong loneliness, and similarly downbeat peers are always willing to add more fuel to that fire. And the incel community has developed elaborate, and elaborately misogynistic, theories to blame others for their plight, centered on the idea that women are shallow, stupid and cruel — exclusively choosing only a handful of the most attractive men to be with and disdaining the rest. All men should deserve a chance with women, incels tell themselves, but some men have all the luck while they get left out.

Today, the incel subculture has become not just self-reinforcing but self-radicalizing, often with tragic outcomes. At its most horrifying extremes, self-described incels have taken their anger out on the women they believe are refusing them. At least two mass shooters have left behind manifestos identifying themselves as adhering to incel ideology, and explaining their actions as taking revenge on the world that hasn't given them the women they think they deserve.
Their conclusions are wrong, to put it mildly. Even the most attractive among us has experienced being single when we might prefer not to be, and women aren’t obliged to have relationships, much less sex, with anyone. These men are obviously operating under a dark, self-perpetuating cloud of delusion. But we should still be paying attention to what this level of desperation is telling us — incels are the bleeding edge of a generation of struggling men.
In his book "Man Out: Men on the Sidelines of American Life," author and former New York Times reporter Andrew Yarrow describes millennial men as the "new lost boys." As many as 1 in 3 American 18- to 34-year-old men are unemployed, living at home, or at or near the poverty line, due to a confluence of factors ranging from economic shifts to student debt. Women are surging ahead, out-enrolling men in colleges and universities. A new uncertainty about their place in the world is leading men to spiking levels of anxiety and depression.
It’s easy to conclude that the incels should just log off, look up, and get outside more — in the past, they might have been forced to do so. But human connection in the real world has become rarer, and often feels more difficult, than it used to be. Smartphones and gaming are replacing face-to-face interactions, the sort that might force one to confront one’s social difficulties or develop a better understanding of the lives of others. Free-floating pornography, persistently sexualized media and ubiquitous swipe-on-sight dating apps have made sexual relationships — or, at least, sex — seem like something everyone is having without us, and that we might be failing by not having enough of.
The internet makes the fear even worse: It’s easier to deal with a tilting social landscape by living online, where those who feel the most threatened and aggrieved can reiterate their pain, promote their favorite narratives, and resist information that doesn’t conform to their worldview. And it’s those who feel disconnected from society already — in many cases, those men who are short of job opportunities, falling behind in relative education and otherwise confounded by changed expectations — who tend to spend the most time there.

Incel communities illustrate this phenomenon at its most acute. Angry, frustrated men discuss in detail the women they think have rejected them, and how social shifts have become inescapable obstacles the world has arrayed against them.
“We have lived our entire lives believing the ‘bluepilled’ lies that society tells us,” wrote one man on Incels.com. “Work hard and you’ll be rewarded. Just be yourself and you’ll find a nice girl. But life has been hard on us, people have been hard on us, and none of this s--- made any sense until everything suddenly clicked: we live a misreable [sic] life because we are ugly.”

It's no surprise that misogyny flourishes in these forums. But the flip side of women gaining ground doesn't have to be men falling behind and lashing out.
The incel phenomenon is a predictable endpoint for a culture that increasingly uses sex as a marker of success, while at the same time losing human connection and substituting the internet in its stead. The solution won't be just to teach these men how to get offline and find girlfriends, or even just remind them yet again that misogyny is a bad road. To treat modern life's ugliest symptoms, we'll first have to confront the disease.
 
To treat modern life's ugliest symptoms, we'll first have to confront the disease.
True. Unfortunately, people still seem unwilling to confront feminism to put a stop to this kind of problem.

Gotta love these articles written by angry spinsters seething at those horrible, awful, icky men though. The hatred just oozes from this woman.
 
Not that you'll ever see me depending incels losers or anything but why is the onerous always placed entirely on men? Women have had more than a hand in the utter destruction of gender relations in this country. #allmenarescum #killallmen #metoo anyone?

There's plenty of toxic femininity that arguably has done much more damage than a handful of losers on some obscure chans and image boards.

When you have entire academic departments dedicated to hating and demonizing women then we can talk about incels.
 
Reminder that according to the sociology theories that people who call every male that doesn't fall in line an Incel use to justify their world view:

Black people, women, disabled, LGBT, poor etc. Face a bunch of problematic issues that work together to create spiralling crime, low career sucess, poverty, violence etc. You can't talk about stats or how the group's themselves reinforce their behaviours it's all society man 🤡.

But when it's men or whites it's always their own fault. Their failure, their radicalism, their toxic world views and structures.

Surely the solution is to nurture and lend a hand to virgin losers not to call them names (of what they are). But that would require consistent values.
 
Everyone is saying this isn't a good enough reason for suicide, but I understand you. I have suicidal thoughts almost daily because I'm 25 and a virgin not by choice, and have never been in a relationship and have no dating history. A prostitute is not a solution for me because my real concern is using my own personal ability to attract to get a woman to like me enough to have sex with me, as well as romantic intimacy. For that matter, a one night stand would be way less than ideal for me, but if I managed that, that would be using my own ability to attract to get a woman to have sex with me. I have never even been able to get that, or anything meaningful in romance or sex. So I'm coming close to the conclusion that I just don't have this ability in me, and this is why I have suicidal thoughts. The problem is virginity at the surface, but it's really the reasons I feel are behind the virginity that causes me to feel suicidal. People need to understand that a couple hundred and a hooker or a pity fuck from a female friend who feels sorry for you won't get rid of these underlying reasons, or the desire for suicude, because it's not simply about being a virgin. This is how I feel about it anyway. Is ut similar to how you feel? I'm giving it til 30 though, if I'm still a virgin with no dating history by 30, then I think it will be certain that I don't have the ability to attract a woman for a relationship or sex and that I'm a biological failure. That's the tentative date I've set to off myself, my 30th birthday or maybe the night before in case I can't face turning 30 a virgin. The time at least allows me to reconsider my options though and think on it more, and to see if something does happen for me and i have the ability to attract after all. I can't tell you not to kill yourself over this because I'm considering it too, but could you at least give it til 30? It might be the time you need to figure out for sure if you really do have this inability.Yes, some bitch on a sales call has the audacity to ask me if there is a Mrs. "Smith" I said "NO !" She retorts in a higher pitched shrill of a voice.."Oh my God! You are a doctor and you are not married??‽! We have to do something about that! I have a beauty pageant that you will have to be a judge for !!" I told her that I am perfectly happy and healthy living the single life and that there is no way I could ever be convinced to be married. I told her that marriage is inequitable towards men and that the divorce rate is too high, instigated by the woman and is financial suicide. She attempted to use the standard female arguments of companionship, and who will take care of you when your old, and who will you share your life with, yadda yadda yadda. I finally said you know exactly whats going on in the world lets not attempt to continue to spin the "fairytale." She half heartedly agreed and attempted her sales pitch. I quickly let her know I was not interested and hung up. Moral of the story: When a female attempts to shame you, or convince you of the "value" of marriage, stand your ground, cite statistics and let it be known you are not on the fence or "hopefully find the right girl someday." If more men would be true to themselves first, more of these women will get the message that not all men are white knight simps.
 
the flip side of women gaining ground doesn't have to be men falling behind and lashing out
Quite a lie coming from you, disgraceful crone. Specially when you brand all men as dangerous for what a couple of deluded idiots post online. Chances are that if they take "revenge on women" they will end up as Elliot Rodgers when he tried to get into the sorority house and he couldn't open the door.
A lot of men just need to set their sights lower. There are tons of desperate average women on dating sites.
Damn right there are, but a lot of dudes either go for those 8/10 or above women or they know they are bound to drop their spaghetti and they refrain from interacting with women. They gotta know that even if you fuck up you still got chances, so you gotta try at least one.
 
The author is correct about the premise that the flourishing of incels show just how many difficulties male culture is dealing with and wrong about nearly every conclusion drawn based on it.

Some observations about how men and women differ are correct, even if they may prove misogynistic. For example, the solipsistic view that one's own side can continue to gain ground without the other side being harmed is a viewpoint that is unquestionably a woman's.
 
Not that you'll ever see me depending incels losers or anything but why is the onerous always placed entirely on men? Women have had more than a hand in the utter destruction of gender relations in this country. #allmenarescum #killallmen #metoo anyone?

There's plenty of toxic femininity that arguably has done much more damage than a handful of losers on some obscure chans and image boards.

When you have entire academic departments dedicated to hating and demonizing women then we can talk about incels.


Any problems women have, men need to solve or are men's faults.
Any problems men have, men need to solve or are men's faults.
Nothing women do hurts men, everything men do hurts women.
 

On the one hand, I don't want to make you feel more discouraged and defeated if you're for real, but on the other...is this some copypasta a la "Navy Seal"?

A lot of men just need to set their sights lower. There are tons of desperate average women on dating sites.

It's not even really "lower"; it's changing the criteria. Less focus on whether she's got swingin' double-D's, more focus on whether she has the principles for the sort of relationship the guy wants.
 
Not that you'll ever see me depending incels losers or anything but why is the onerous always placed entirely on men? Women have had more than a hand in the utter destruction of gender relations in this country. #allmenarescum #killallmen #metoo anyone?

There's plenty of toxic femininity that arguably has done much more damage than a handful of losers on some obscure chans and image boards.

When you have entire academic departments dedicated to hating and demonizing women then we can talk about incels.
Remember, this article was written by a woman, so of course she's going to blame men for all the problems.
 
A lot of men just need to set their sights lower. There are tons of desperate average women on dating sites.
While I think most people can see the Elliot Roger/incompetent and deluded archetype of Incel being prevalent, I don't think it's the whole story.

I can't blame men for being afraid of women these days. Maybe I was just more sensitive to the climate, but when it came to women and children I always felt self conscious given the constant berating I would get from the media, school, etc.

I can only imagine when you put autism, shyness and/or maybe an unlucky homelife into the mix how a kid can grow up to be forever a virgin- emotionally and physically.

Directly relating to the quoted text because I can't format for shit:
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let's be honest, incels don't care about getting jobs or integrating into society. they are perfectly content sitting in their mother's basement. all incels want is pussy, which they are unable to get because they're fucking losers.

I don't think feminism or whatever caused this. I think it's because incels feel entitled to get what they want even though they don't fucking work for it. no, whining on the internet about how you hate women isn't "putting in the work".

get a shower, get a better fucking personality, and get a fucking job.

no sympathy for these faggots. none.
 
let's be honest, incels don't care about getting jobs or integrating into society. they are perfectly content sitting in their mother's basement. all incels want is pussy, which they are unable to get because they're fucking losers.

I don't think feminism or whatever caused this. I think it's because incels feel entitled to get what they want even though they don't fucking work for it. no, whining on the internet about how you hate women isn't "putting in the work".

get a shower, get a better fucking personality, and get a fucking job.

no sympathy for these faggots. none.
Incels and catladies are the same thing. The latter is merely pushed by feminist catladies as Stunning and Brave. They are all just autistic narcissists who think that a relationship can’t be give and take because then they’d have to give. You’re talking about people who find it an imposition that people expect them to shower daily.
 
let's be honest, incels don't care about getting jobs or integrating into society. they are perfectly content sitting in their mother's basement. all incels want is pussy, which they are unable to get because they're fucking losers.

I don't think feminism or whatever caused this. I think it's because incels feel entitled to get what they want even though they don't fucking work for it. no, whining on the internet about how you hate women isn't "putting in the work".

get a shower, get a better fucking personality, and get a fucking job.

no sympathy for these faggots. none.

Well, at base, everyone thinks they're entitled to something they didn't work for; in fact, there are entire political parties built on that premise. Ironically, they also tend to love them some feminism and use it as a reason to give women things we didn't work for.

It's a messed-up society and I'm not sure why you're angry at people for being no better than their opposite-sex neighbors.
 
Everyone is saying this isn't a good enough reason for suicide, but I understand you. I have suicidal thoughts almost daily because I'm 25 and a virgin not by choice, and have never been in a relationship and have no dating history. A prostitute is not a solution for me because my real concern is using my own personal ability to attract to get a woman to like me enough to have sex with me, as well as romantic intimacy. For that matter, a one night stand would be way less than ideal for me, but if I managed that, that would be using my own ability to attract to get a woman to have sex with me. I have never even been able to get that, or anything meaningful in romance or sex. So I'm coming close to the conclusion that I just don't have this ability in me, and this is why I have suicidal thoughts. The problem is virginity at the surface, but it's really the reasons I feel are behind the virginity that causes me to feel suicidal. People need to understand that a couple hundred and a hooker or a pity fuck from a female friend who feels sorry for you won't get rid of these underlying reasons, or the desire for suicude, because it's not simply about being a virgin. This is how I feel about it anyway. Is ut similar to how you feel? I'm giving it til 30 though, if I'm still a virgin with no dating history by 30, then I think it will be certain that I don't have the ability to attract a woman for a relationship or sex and that I'm a biological failure. That's the tentative date I've set to off myself, my 30th birthday or maybe the night before in case I can't face turning 30 a virgin. The time at least allows me to reconsider my options though and think on it more, and to see if something does happen for me and i have the ability to attract after all. I can't tell you not to kill yourself over this because I'm considering it too, but could you at least give it til 30? It might be the time you need to figure out for sure if you really do have this inability.Yes, some bitch on a sales call has the audacity to ask me if there is a Mrs. "Smith" I said "NO !" She retorts in a higher pitched shrill of a voice.."Oh my God! You are a doctor and you are not married??‽! We have to do something about that! I have a beauty pageant that you will have to be a judge for !!" I told her that I am perfectly happy and healthy living the single life and that there is no way I could ever be convinced to be married. I told her that marriage is inequitable towards men and that the divorce rate is too high, instigated by the woman and is financial suicide. She attempted to use the standard female arguments of companionship, and who will take care of you when your old, and who will you share your life with, yadda yadda yadda. I finally said you know exactly whats going on in the world lets not attempt to continue to spin the "fairytale." She half heartedly agreed and attempted her sales pitch. I quickly let her know I was not interested and hung up. Moral of the story: When a female attempts to shame you, or convince you of the "value" of marriage, stand your ground, cite statistics and let it be known you are not on the fence or "hopefully find the right girl someday." If more men would be true to themselves first, more of these women will get the message that not all men are white knight simps.
How did you get a doctorate by 25?
 
In a culture where women can write pithy screeds like this about how men are all scum, all responsible for incels, rapists until proven otherwise, should be limited in school and employment because of "equity", and never face any realistic consequences for offending the PR war machine because it's "only men" she's targeting with her callous and hateful dismissal, we are supposed to believe that women are the less privileged?
 
After the Incel truck driver, my mom was reading her news, and she asked me, “Civilian? What’s an Incel?” And I had to explain that to her.
She then turned her Ipad around and said, “Civilian, this is Chad.”
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And I felt like I was in some weird dream.
But either way, I love seeing how angry the “Incel menace” makes people. It’s just funny to see people feed into the ouroboros of sperging that follows any discussion of men and women.
 
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