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Techpriest said:
Your average Congress critter is more concerned with outlier cases. Those outlier cases result in sizeable body counts in less than an hour, massive police mobilization, media frenzy, and people wondering “why doesn’t someone do SOMETHING.” Of these outlier cases, the vast majority of them involve long arms - Texas Tower, El Paso, Las Vegas, Aurora, Sandy Hook etc.

Looking like you’re doing something matters, even if nothing actually gets done.


Anyway the part of the EO’s I’m most interested in is the arms trafficking part.
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You know what would really help with arms trafficking?

A well secured border, maybe even one with a big honking wall or fence of some kind.
 
Tour of Italy said:
You know what would really help with arms trafficking?

A well secured border, maybe even one with a big honking wall or fence of some kind.
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Not really. Most arms smuggling (hell, a vast majority of smuggling) goes through standard ports of entry. Firearms can be concealed in shipments of automotive parts, construction material, metal being sent in for scrapping or reprocessing, hidden in fuel or other liquid (tanker trucks), inside the doors of vehicles, etc etc etc. A sniffer dog can’t track down a hunk of metal, and disassembled, a firearm can easily hide in plain sight in an shipment of other metal parts. Smuggling is quite simply, a numbers game first and a hiding game second. Not every shipment can be searched forever, and if everything looks right and there’s no obvious issues, then chances are it’ll get through. Then there’s the other favorite of smugglers since time immemorial - just take a small boat, and go around the border, or meet with another ship at sea to transfer goods. This was part of why I saw the Trump border wall push as absolutely retarded, as part of the plan for the long term upkeep was slashing the coast guard’s funding.
 
Techpriest said:
Not really. Most arms smuggling (hell, a vast majority of smuggling) goes through standard ports of entry. Firearms can be concealed in shipments of automotive parts, construction material, metal being sent in for scrapping or reprocessing, hidden in fuel or other liquid (tanker trucks), inside the doors of vehicles, etc etc etc. A sniffer dog can’t track down a hunk of metal, and disassembled, a firearm can easily hide in plain sight in an shipment of other metal parts. Smuggling is quite simply, a numbers game first and a hiding game second. Not every shipment can be searched forever, and if everything looks right and there’s no obvious issues, then chances are it’ll get through. Then there’s the other favorite of smugglers since time immemorial - just take a small boat, and go around the border, or meet with another ship at sea to transfer goods. This was part of why I saw the Trump border wall push as absolutely retarded, as part of the plan for the long term upkeep was slashing the coast guard’s funding.
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You make some good points, there are definitely vulnerabilities in the current shipping process that can be exploited. I agree about the coast guard too.

The thing that will never make sense to me is that let’s assume we have the means to greatly curb arms smuggling through standard shipping to the point where it’s not as viable; now they have to explain to me how also having a porous border doesn’t immediately undermine better security at points of entry.
 
Techpriest said:
You can pick up a Century Arms Import L1A1 Sporter/FAL Sporter for relatively cheap these days - if it isn't an IMBEL or Argie receiver though, you're probably getting ripped off. I got my IMBEL version for $600 and I'm planning on sending it in to an FAL guy to get it restored for a grand total of about $1200 for a pretty damn solid .308 semi. Otherwise, DSA FAL can be bought for 1450 with no frills - with your choice of barrel length between 16 inches, 18 inches and 21 inches - and you can pick up a scope rail off their site for another 100 bucks at the same time.

Oh, and you can tell what receiver your CAI FAL is through this handy image (Thanks to Arizona Response Systems)
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Otherwise if you're in for a cheap rifle, there's the Century C308 which is their G3 import. People rag on century for good reason but if you're looking for a non-US military design they're a good place to look for deals. Just don't expect super high quality.
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Speaking about FN FALs, what's your favorite variant of it?
 
Tour of Italy said:
You make some good points, there are definitely vulnerabilities in the current shipping process that can be exploited. I agree about the coast guard too.

The thing that will never make sense to me is that let’s assume we have the means to greatly curb arms smuggling through standard shipping to the point where it’s not as viable; now they have to explain to me how also having a porous border doesn’t immediately undermine better security at points of entry.
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Here’s why: numbers, cost, and risk. Remember, smuggling is a business. It’s just an illegal business.

First off, numbers. You’re trying to move a bulk quantity of goods as quickly as possible to your sellers. Crossing the US border through the desert seems like the easy bit right? Not really. You’re limited in the amount of goods you can move by virtue of the infrastructure. A guy with a duffel bag of hot guns or illegal goods has a further distance to go to get to his buyer or contact than someone who can simply go through a border crossing with a truck with a hidden compartment or illegal goods mixed with legal ones. Second, cost. You need to get a return on your investment. Guy with a duffel bag is relatively cheap, but he’s not moving as much product for the same cost as someone who drives the truck or uses a boat. That’s lost profit. Third, risk. This is where things get interesting and where the numbers game comes into play. Let’s say I have four trucks, and one guy with a duffel bag. Those four trucks have to go through a lot of security, yes, but the more often they’re seen and checked by customs when they’re not carrying hot items, the more likely it is they’ll blend in with everyone else. Each trip they make successfully gives you a large return on investment. There’s a vast amount of cargo being moved across international borders every day. They can’t check everything, so a lot of your stuff is going to get through, giving you profit. Even if your truck is searched, if well hidden it is very likely the vehicle will still get through.

The guy going through the border on foot has a higher chance of getting caught, and if he gets caught the goods are gone. He can’t talk his way around it or conceal them. He’s fucked. He’s also facing a non-zero chance of just dying from exposure, in which case you still lose the shipment.

Think about it like dice, let’s say a d100. One option is a single roll where you pass if you roll below 90. The second is that you have two rolls, the first one where if you roll above a 50, you have to make a second roll were if you roll an 80 or above, you fail. Which one gives you the greater chances of success? The second. You have a 50% chance of passing. You then have to hit a 20% chance to fail. Mathematically, that’s a higher success rate than the first option.
 
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Whether or not the wall will stop guns going into mexico is a pointless argument, since the cartels are regularly running around with PKMs, G36s and RPGs. Faggot gun grabbers are legitimately lucky most Americans are peaceful people cause guns coming out of mexico could easily become a much bigger problem.
 
TerminalTryHard said:
Whether or not the wall will stop guns going into mexico is a pointless argument, since the cartels are regularly running around with PKMs, G36s and RPGs. Faggot gun grabbers are legitimately lucky most Americans are peaceful people cause guns coming out of mexico could easily become a much bigger problem.
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Reminder that there's more guns than people in the US and if we were as violent as everyone likes to hyperventilate about, we probably wouldn't have issues with immigration or cartels.
 
White Devil said:
Reminder that there's more guns than people in the US and if we were as violent as everyone likes to hyperventilate about, we probably wouldn't have issues with immigration or cartels.
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Violence rates are linked to lack of necessities and poverty rates, and political instability. Those are lowish in the US as we’re an overall wealthy country, with large amounts of food water etc where people have access to them, and we aren’t dealing with the aftermath of corporate and CIA backed death squads or communist insurgents. We don’t really have an issue with the cartels outside of them smuggling their product up here. Proliferation of firearms still contributes to the rate of violence in the US, but the effects are far less than the others I pointed out.
 
So apart for all the gun control EO what about ammo?

I am seeing close to .65 CPR for decent indoor range ammo online. Its starting to become that prices are starting to limit my shooting over any legislation or executive actions.
 
Techpriest said:
Violence rates are linked to lack of necessities and poverty rates, and political instability. Those are lowish in the US as we’re an overall wealthy country, with large amounts of food water etc where people have access to them, and we aren’t dealing with the aftermath of corporate and CIA backed death squads or communist insurgents. We don’t really have an issue with the cartels outside of them smuggling their product up here. Proliferation of firearms still contributes to the rate of violence in the US, but the effects are far less than the others I pointed out.
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You love pointing out Captain Obvious shit, don't you?
 
LaxerBRO said:
So apart for all the gun control EO what about ammo?

I am seeing close to .65 CPR for decent indoor range ammo online. Its starting to become that prices are starting to limit my shooting over any legislation or executive actions.
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It’s horders and scalpers, again. Same shit happened in 2012/2013. People are both panic buying and stockpiling. Give it a few months and shit will calm down again, right now ammunition manufacturers are just getting all the profit they can make off of retards and boomers.
 
Techpriest said:
It’s horders and scalpers, again. Same shit happened in 2012/2013. People are both panic buying and stockpiling. Give it a few months and shit will calm down again, right now ammunition manufacturers are just getting all the profit they can make off of retards and boomers.
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Eh it's a bit more than just that. For starters there was a material shortage that they had to get caught up on because covid, and covid precautions slowed some shit down. Even without any of the hoarders/scalpers there were something like 8 million new gun owners last year. Even if half of them never touch that gun again, that still leaves millions of new shooters buying ammo to shoot with, definitely puts a dent in supply.
 
Spicey McHaggis said:
Eh it's a bit more than just that. For starters there was a material shortage that they had to get caught up on because covid, and covid precautions slowed some shit down. Even without any of the hoarders/scalpers there were something like 8 million new gun owners last year. Even if half of them never touch that gun again, that still leaves millions of new shooters buying ammo to shoot with, definitely puts a dent in supply.
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All the major manufacturers claim to be at least a year behind current demand. Unless that's just some conspiracy cabal that I don't doubt some retards believe.
 
White Devil said:
All the major manufacturers claim to be at least a year behind current demand. Unless that's just some conspiracy cabal that I don't doubt some retards believe.
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Anyone who believes that is full blown retarded. Limiting manufacturing right now to Jack up prices would cost them far more money than it would make them. People just don't understand supply chains, and how large orders of raw materials are not things that get set up and shipped overnight.

Ammo manufacturers are just hesitant to invest in adding new production lines when there's a good chance they will end up having to mothball them as soon as demand drops. Fuck, even if they did add new lines, that shit costs millions of dollars and months of time to even get started.
 
Spicey McHaggis said:
Anyone who believes that is full blown retarded. Limiting manufacturing right now to Jack up prices would cost them far more money than it would make them. People just don't understand supply chains, and how large orders of raw materials are not things that get set up and shipped overnight.

Ammo manufacturers are just hesitant to invest in adding new production lines when there's a good chance they will end up having to mothball them as soon as demand drops. Fuck, even if they did add new lines, that shit costs millions of dollars and months of time to even get started.
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There's lots of excitement over composite cased ammo now because of the NGSW project in certain sectors but I don't see it truly having mass market appeal due to things like heat over the casing and storage limitations. Supposedly True Velocity claims you can set up a plant for it anywhere though.
 
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