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This trick is as old as time. There's also stuffing a coke bottle with rags and taping it to your muzzle, the pillow trick, etc. I've even heard of someone using a watermelon to suppress a pistol ( for the one shot its good for).

Silencers are not complicated tools to make and anyone with just a little machining ability can turn out a reasonably done one at home.
 
Thank you.
A little late but I skimmed the article and think there are two key points it missed.
1. It unfairly dismisses .22 and makes almost no mention of its benefits. imho everyone should own a .22 because:
  • The gun is cheap.
  • The ammo is practically free.
  • There's almost no recoil.
  • They're still very fun to shoot.
  • They can still kill.
Because of the above they're great for teaching confidence, good habits, and proper safety. Stuff like good trigger pulls―jerking the trigger is iirc the number one cause of inaccuracy, learning not to flinch or blink, and internalizing the four golden rules of gun safety. It can take a LONG time for something like finger off the trigger or don't muzzle sweep your buddies to become instinctive. You probably won't want to use it in a gunfight, but you absolutely can.

2. It completely neglects revolvers AKA "wheel guns". Revolvers are nice because they're more reliable (not really a big issue anymore), can fire a bigger bullet if that's your thing, are generally easier to own in most countries than pistols, and are less complex, which typically means a little less time and money. Most people still want a pistol, but my point is don't discount revolvers entirely just because the article author did.

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From a cheaper than dirt email.
Forget the stock market, I'm going to start speculating in ammo.
 
A little late but I skimmed the article and think there are two key points it missed.
1. It unfairly dismisses .22 and makes almost no mention of its benefits. imho everyone should own a .22 because:
  • The gun is cheap.
  • The ammo is practically free.
  • There's almost no recoil.
  • They're still very fun to shoot.
  • They can still kill.
Because of the above they're great for teaching confidence, good habits, and proper safety. Stuff like good trigger pulls―jerking the trigger is iirc the number one cause of inaccuracy, learning not to flinch or blink, and internalizing the four golden rules of gun safety. It can take a LONG time for something like finger off the trigger or don't muzzle sweep your buddies to become instinctive. You probably won't want to use it in a gunfight, but you absolutely can.

2. It completely neglects revolvers AKA "wheel guns". Revolvers are nice because they're more reliable (not really a big issue anymore), can fire a bigger bullet if that's your thing, are generally easier to own in most countries than pistols, and are less complex, which typically means a little less time and money. Most people still want a pistol, but my point is don't discount revolvers entirely just because the article author did.


Forget the stock market, I'm going to start speculating in ammo.
I don't want to go all "ACKSUALLY" on you but revolvers tend to have more moving parts and are more complex than most semi-autos. If you have ever opened up the side plate of say a Colt Detective Special like I have for some deeper cleaning, you'll notice it looks like a damn pocket watch in there. Most semi-autos tend to have a lot less parts. Revolvers are indeed very reliable but when they fail they tend to do so catastrophically. Semi-autos are usually just need you to rack the slide to clear a stovepipe or failure to feed. Often the failure for the semi-auto boils down to either bad ammo or a bad magazine or both.

I like both and for my summer carry I actually pick my Charter Arms bulldog in a pocket holster with a couple of speedloaders. For a hefty round it is a light and compact package.

I do agree with your assertion about .22's. They are fun as fuck to shoot and a lot cheaper even with the inflated prices on the ammo.
 
Yeah, you'll find lots of stupid gimmick bullets out there over the years with little corkscrews and knives and shit inside them, all with the promise that they'll totes tear up the insides of whoever you shoot. And lawyers are busy holding up standard hollow-point bullets as "cop killer death bullets" if you shoot someone with one. What a bullet actually does when it hits someone is 100% luck. You might see a FMJ tumble in loop-de-loops around in someone, you might see a hollow-point zip straight through them without expanding one bit. Fancy bullets are no substitute for aim. The reason I have hollow-points is a hope that they'll be less likely to penetrate my target or a wall and harm someone on the other side, not a thought that they'll make a bad shot into a kill.
Imagine having to explain that your carry rounds are initialed "R.I.P." to a jury of cool wine aunts.
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Imagine having to explain that your carry rounds are initialed "R.I.P." to a jury of cool wine aunts.
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As dumb as RIP rounds are, the whole what kind of ammo you use to defend yourself landing you in legal trouble is one of the Fuddiest myths around and needs to stop being regurgitated by people who don't know fuck all. There is literally zero precedent of it ever being a thing and noted experts like Massad Ayoob have spoken out about it several times over the decades as being complete bullshit.
 
I have a PX4 sub compact for carry, and a PX4 full size for not carry. I have decided to name them Shooty Puff Jr and Shooty Puff Sr.

That is all.
 
I have a PX4 sub compact for carry, and a PX4 full size for not carry. I have decided to name them Shooty Puff Jr and Shooty Puff Sr.

That is all.
How old were you when you came out of the closet? You had a stroke not once but twice?
it's the best out of all their ugly fish guns and I would take it over a 92 any day, fuck the haters

Also RIP rounds are popular with brown people and white trash
 
How old were you when you came out of the closet? You had a stroke not once but twice?
it's the best out of all their ugly fish guns and I would take it over a 92 any day, fuck the haters

Also RIP rounds are popular with brown people and white trash
Who says I'm out of the closet?

Also fuck it I love Italian guns.
 
Is the casing actually stamped “RIP”? Because that will likely be the only thing presented as evidence if a prosecutor actually wanted to make an issue of it (unlikely, as has been stated previously). The bullet itself is just a copper solid, similar to a Barnes TAC XPD.

Edit: and 92’s are awesome
 
So I've got a bigger paycheck coming to me this week due to 12hrs of OT and 8hrs of holiday pay, so I'm going to put that money towards putting together a home defense battle belt. My plan is to buy a Surefire pistol light, either an XH30 or XH35, the ones that interface with Surefire's Masterfire holster system. Unlike with normal holsters, the Masterfire interfaces with and secures the weapon light which makes it virtually a universal holster. So long as you can mount the light to a weapon and there's nothing interfering with the light interfacing with the holster, then you can use it.

After the light then I'll get the holster. The holster doesn't cover the pistol itself, so there's nothing to protect the weapon from bumps and scrapes, so I personally wouldn't want to use it as a concealed carry, duty, or SHTF holster, but for home defense it'll be perfect.

Then I'll buy a HSGI MOLLE battle belt and pouches for my Origin 12 mags and SIG P226 mags. Fostech makes kydex mag carriers specifically for the Origin 12 mags since there aren't really a lot of options on the market for shotgun mag pouches. I haven't decided if I'm going to run everything on the belt, or if I'm going to get a drop leg rig for my left leg. It'll depend on how the Origin 12 mags ride on the belt. If they're too uncomfortable, dig into my side, or are just too large to ride on the belt then I'll get the drop leg platform and move the shotgun mags to it.

Basically if there's a bump in the night I just have to throw on the belt, holster my sidearm, sling my shotgun, and respond. I'm usually up most of the night when I'm home because of my work/sleep schedule and I always have my dogs with me, so I'll hear any noises that don't belong.

But this is my current project. If anyone has had hands-on experience with the Surefire Masterfire lights and holster I would love to hear what you think about it. From what I've read while researching the system it seems to be a well thoughtout system and has had positive reviews and feedback, but I always like hearing firsthand experiences from people whenever possible.

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As dumb as RIP rounds are, the whole what kind of ammo you use to defend yourself landing you in legal trouble is one of the Fuddiest myths around and needs to stop being regurgitated by people who don't know fuck all. There is literally zero precedent of it ever being a thing and noted experts like Massad Ayoob have spoken out about it several times over the decades as being complete bullshit.

Yeah, I've heard of rabidly anti-gun Lefty DAs wanting to "make an example" of someone who had to defend themselves with a firearm by attacking the caliber or type of firearm they used, but never because the projectile was unique, gimmicky, or "scary" looking. Well, aside from Black Talons, but that was because the media shit the bed with retardation over some firearms naive people mistakenly thinking the black coating was Teflon and it being applied to helo defeat Kevlar body armor. But there have been some prosecutors who have tried to get juries to rule against a self defense case because the defendant shot the person attacking them/breaking into their house/raping their wife or daughter/etc. with a .44 Magnum or a scary black uh-salt weapon, trying to paint the defendant as a blood thirsty psychopath who was just waiting for their chance to shoot someone. "Why did you feel it necessary to shoot the intruder with such a large caliber weapon? Isn't the .50 Action Express Desert Eagle designed for hunting large animals? Why did you feel it was necessary to have a military grade AR15 assault weapon for home protection? Did you really think it was necessary to have a rifle that holds 30 bullets or more just in case someone broke in?" that kind of bullshit.

Typically when it's a clear-cut case of self defense or home protection then the jury doesn't care what cartridge or weapon was used since the shooter was well within their legal right to shoot, but sometimes the prosecutor gets lucky with jurors who likewise have a bias against firearms and gun owners. It isn't as common these days as gun ownership has gained in popularity and more people these days have at least some common sense regarding firearms, but in some Blue strongholds like the Bay Area, L.A., Chicago, New York, etc. it can still happen. It was a helluva lot worse in the 80s and 90s and much of the nation was hostile towards gun ownership. Thank the Lord that I live in one of the Reddest, most pro-gun states in the nation. Most of the time here the cops come out, investigate, do their reports, then send you on your way. They may take the weapon to do forensic ballistics testing to make sure the weapon hasn't been used in a homicide in the past, but once it tests clean they call you to come pick up your weapon. That is, of course, when it is a clear case of self defense or home protection.
 
So I've got a bigger paycheck coming to me this week due to 12hrs of OT and 8hrs of holiday pay, so I'm going to put that money towards putting together a home defense battle belt. My plan is to buy a Surefire pistol light, either an XH30 or XH35, the ones that interface with Surefire's Masterfire holster system. Unlike with normal holsters, the Masterfire interfaces with and secures the weapon light which makes it virtually a universal holster. So long as you can mount the light to a weapon and there's nothing interfering with the light interfacing with the holster, then you can use it.

After the light then I'll get the holster. The holster doesn't cover the pistol itself, so there's nothing to protect the weapon from bumps and scrapes, so I personally wouldn't want to use it as a concealed carry, duty, or SHTF holster, but for home defense it'll be perfect.

Then I'll buy a HSGI MOLLE battle belt and pouches for my Origin 12 mags and SIG P226 mags. Fostech makes kydex mag carriers specifically for the Origin 12 mags since there aren't really a lot of options on the market for shotgun mag pouches. I haven't decided if I'm going to run everything on the belt, or if I'm going to get a drop leg rig for my left leg. It'll depend on how the Origin 12 mags ride on the belt. If they're too uncomfortable, dig into my side, or are just too large to ride on the belt then I'll get the drop leg platform and move the shotgun mags to it.

Basically if there's a bump in the night I just have to throw on the belt, holster my sidearm, sling my shotgun, and respond. I'm usually up most of the night when I'm home because of my work/sleep schedule and I always have my dogs with me, so I'll hear any noises that don't belong.

But this is my current project. If anyone has had hands-on experience with the Surefire Masterfire lights and holster I would love to hear what you think about it. From what I've read while researching the system it seems to be a well thoughtout system and has had positive reviews and feedback, but I always like hearing firsthand experiences from people whenever possible.

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Yeah, I've heard of rabidly anti-gun Lefty DAs wanting to "make an example" of someone who had to defend themselves with a firearm by attacking the caliber or type of firearm they used, but never because the projectile was unique, gimmicky, or "scary" looking. Well, aside from Black Talons, but that was because the media shit the bed with retardation over some firearms naive people mistakenly thinking the black coating was Teflon and it being applied to helo defeat Kevlar body armor. But there have been some prosecutors who have tried to get juries to rule against a self defense case because the defendant shot the person attacking them/breaking into their house/raping their wife or daughter/etc. with a .44 Magnum or a scary black uh-salt weapon, trying to paint the defendant as a blood thirsty psychopath who was just waiting for their chance to shoot someone. "Why did you feel it necessary to shoot the intruder with such a large caliber weapon? Isn't the .50 Action Express Desert Eagle designed for hunting large animals? Why did you feel it was necessary to have a military grade AR15 assault weapon for home protection? Did you really think it was necessary to have a rifle that holds 30 bullets or more just in case someone broke in?" that kind of bullshit.

Typically when it's a clear-cut case of self defense or home protection then the jury doesn't care what cartridge or weapon was used since the shooter was well within their legal right to shoot, but sometimes the prosecutor gets lucky with jurors who likewise have a bias against firearms and gun owners. It isn't as common these days as gun ownership has gained in popularity and more people these days have at least some common sense regarding firearms, but in some Blue strongholds like the Bay Area, L.A., Chicago, New York, etc. it can still happen. It was a helluva lot worse in the 80s and 90s and much of the nation was hostile towards gun ownership. Thank the Lord that I live in one of the Reddest, most pro-gun states in the nation. Most of the time here the cops come out, investigate, do their reports, then send you on your way. They may take the weapon to do forensic ballistics testing to make sure the weapon hasn't been used in a homicide in the past, but once it tests clean they call you to come pick up your weapon. That is, of course, when it is a clear case of self defense or home protection.

I'm not familiar with the Surefire holster but from the look of it, I would rather stick with my light bearing level III Safariland. I don't like how that locks up as all the stress and weight are on your WML and that's just asking for a stress point to break and now you don't have any way to secure your pistol. Also, I'm not a fan of leaving the barrel exposed as I have seen first hand people get their shit gummed up. Surefire makes some great stuff, but they also make some really stupid shit, like their bulky ass light holsters. I have a Bianchi one for less than half the price and it's just as secure, also a hell of a lot less lower profile.

I also would not suggest a drop leg unless you're willing to train with it. A lot. And you know how to properly size it on your thigh so that your hand in resting position is in line with the pistol grip. A lot of people wear these wrong, and also don't know how to draw from them. I personally love my drop leg but I only wear it with my plate carrier since my belt will have other shit on it and that's real estate that can be freed up. If you decide to go with a drop leg, don't get a nylon one as they are not secure at all. I use the Safariland QLS fork system so I can hot swap my holster between the drop leg and my belt, only downside of it is it makes your gun stick out about a half inch further. I know you were talking about using it for mags, but I promise you will fumble with that shit being on your legs.

Furthermore, a battle belt is basically for shit you won't carry on your plate carrier. Mine has two pistol mag pouches, an IFAK, a spare TQ, dump pouch, and some zip ties. Some people also like to put their holsters on them but I've never been a fan of that as I find unless you're using a really low ride holster, shit you have on your side can get in the way of your draw. The belts for secondary shit, but you don't want to make the rookie mistake of weighing it down so much that you need to wear suspenders with it or have it attached to a plate carrier to hold its weight, that defeats the purpose of having one.

Overall though I honestly just suggest a minimalist quick detach plate carrier like the one Grey Ghost sells. It has enough room for some HSGI Taco pouches that will more than likely fit your Origin 12 mags and you actually have some protection incase a home invasion goes lethal, whereas with a belt, you've just given someone a bunch of free shit if they shoot you. Plus in home invasions, I've never heard of someone requiring two weapons to respond to one. Strapping on a second gat just makes you lose time that you can spend responding.

Sorry if this comes off a bit jumbled, I just got off work and I'm kind of sleepy.
 
I'm not familiar with the Surefire holster but from the look of it, I would rather stick with my light bearing level III Safariland. I don't like how that locks up as all the stress and weight are on your WML and that's just asking for a stress point to break and now you don't have any way to secure your pistol. Also, I'm not a fan of leaving the barrel exposed as I have seen first hand people get their shit gummed up. Surefire makes some great stuff, but they also make some really stupid shit, like their bulky ass light holsters. I have a Bianchi one for less than half the price and it's just as secure, also a hell of a lot less lower profile.

I also would not suggest a drop leg unless you're willing to train with it. A lot. And you know how to properly size it on your thigh so that your hand in resting position is in line with the pistol grip. A lot of people wear these wrong, and also don't know how to draw from them. I personally love my drop leg but I only wear it with my plate carrier since my belt will have other shit on it and that's real estate that can be freed up. If you decide to go with a drop leg, don't get a nylon one as they are not secure at all. I use the Safariland QLS fork system so I can hot swap my holster between the drop leg and my belt, only downside of it is it makes your gun stick out about a half inch further. I know you were talking about using it for mags, but I promise you will fumble with that shit being on your legs.

Furthermore, a battle belt is basically for shit you won't carry on your plate carrier. Mine has two pistol mag pouches, an IFAK, a spare TQ, dump pouch, and some zip ties. Some people also like to put their holsters on them but I've never been a fan of that as I find unless you're using a really low ride holster, shit you have on your side can get in the way of your draw. The belts for secondary shit, but you don't want to make the rookie mistake of weighing it down so much that you need to wear suspenders with it or have it attached to a plate carrier to hold its weight, that defeats the purpose of having one.

Overall though I honestly just suggest a minimalist quick detach plate carrier like the one Grey Ghost sells. It has enough room for some HSGI Taco pouches that will more than likely fit your Origin 12 mags and you actually have some protection incase a home invasion goes lethal, whereas with a belt, you've just given someone a bunch of free shit if they shoot you. Plus in home invasions, I've never heard of someone requiring two weapons to respond to one. Strapping on a second gat just makes you lose time that you can spend responding.

Sorry if this comes off a bit jumbled, I just got off work and I'm kind of sleepy.


Well, like I said this belt is just for home defense to have something I can quickly throw on to have reloads and a secondary weapon to fall back on if needed. So it's not going to have a ton of stuff on it. Just the holster, mag carriers for the shotgun and pistol mags, possibly a handheld light in a pouch, and a little trauma kit. So the fact that the Masterfire holster doesn't cover the gun isn't a big deal in my eyes since the pistol will only be holstered when I'm practicing my draw and transitioning from shotgun to sidearm, and if anything does happen and I need to check it out. Otherwise the pistol will be in my pistol locker.

I'm going to be putting together a SHTF/worse case scenario loadout with a plate carrier and other load bearing gear, and I'll be putting together a different battle belt geared towards that role to go along with the plate carrier. That kit will be for carrying rifle mags instead of shotgun mags, and I'll be having a more traditional style custom Kydex holster for it that will protect my sidearm better. And the sidearm I'll be using for that loadout will be my H&K Mark 23 instead of my SIG P226. For concealed carry I prefer leather holsters as opposed to Kydex.

I have had drop leg rigs in the past with my old load out and know how to set them up. I'm right handed, so if I get the drop leg panel it'll be on my left thigh because it'll be carrying shotgun mags, and I'll only be going that direction if the mags are too large to ride comfortably on the belt. And I won't know that until I have the belt and mag carriers, which is still a ways down the road. Gotta buy things one item at a time as my money situation allows. Mortgage, bills, groceries, and other things for my family always take priority over anything else and whatever I have after the necessities are paid for gets saved up for whatever project I'm working on.
 
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