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Using all of that markup is a problem exactly because it implies things about speech and cadence. When you use all of it, it sounds like a bear pit five minutes before feeding time.

Has the 1911 won a trial against modern designs with modern materials lately? I haven't seen it. If you want to compare the 1911 to those more modern models, let's see how it does in that kind of test.

I gave you an example of a criterion that applies more to civilian than military use, and several of the opposite. I have no idea why you're inventing criteria I didn't specify.

I like the 1911. I have three. But I'd rather see them defended with good reasons, not with condescension, cluelessness, and calumny. If someone here is using the style of a junior high debate final, it's you. Do better.
 
I've been told by everyone, everywhere that I talk about guns too much so it's a good thing I found the KF gun thread.

I like to "roll my own" when possible so here's my reloading setup and my 3D printer table.

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Nothing fancy, just a Hornady Lock 'n' Load single stage and a handful of dies, but it gets the job done. I've put together thousands of rounds one at a time on that press.

I have a bunch of guns but I don't want to blow my load all in one post, so here's a sneak peek of a future post

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But I'd rather see them defended with good reasons, not with condescension, cluelessness, and calumny. If someone here is using the style of a junior high debate final, it's you. Do better.
So close... so very close. :story:

I like facts, how about you share some? I've seen you suppose and complain alot about 1911's, but I've yet to see some real substance. Do you have thought beyond passion? Or am I just netting words with another air-soft fad kid (You probly own a KSG shotgun too, huh?!?!)? XD
 
Where did I complain about the 1911? I just said I like them.

You're wasting my time.
 
...yeah dude, but we aren't discussing some West-Congo rebel tribe here. It's the US Armed Forces, and the DOD. They're in the business to win wars and do so relatively efficiently with a decent amount of resources backing them. The last time soldiers were given sub-par arms was, again with Robert McNamara's Whiz Kids, and the M16. However, that problem took a year (powder, gas-tube and all) to rectify which shows reliability is paramount to the armed forces. Point being, problems are found and rectified quickly in the armed forces (especially at the cost of expensive lives) and the 1911 has never been seen as a reliability problem.
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Ok let's just assume the DOD is actually full of the badass professional efficient warfighters you think it is. Haven't by your own admission they've pushed the 1911 back to only certain roles in favor of modern handguns?

Also there are other characteristics to consider besides reliability, such as capacity, caliber, weight, cost, accuracy, ease of repair, and so on. So let's say your 1911 has literally never jammed, you still only 7+1.

You seem to be taking this a little personally, it really doesn't matter what any of us think about the 1911 if you like it that's good enough.
 
I would love to agree with you, but the Rhino just doesn't have a stellar service record. Again, the DS revolver is VERY aesthetically appealing, but it suffers heavily from obnoxious complexity, and overall fragility. This isn't as much of an opinion, as a statement of fact. Trust me, if you own one, they will appreciate in value like fucking crazy, but as a daily-carry/target/competition revolver I just can't recommend it.
the Chiappa Rhino was never intended to be a service revolver, and on top of that, has not had any meaningful field tests. it is a target revolver, and it isn't as complex as you seem to think it is. the typical DS has a bit over 70 parts. a comparable S&W Model 10 (as a representative K-frame) has about 60-odd. the variance will be the sights (target or accro), and the Rhino's cocking lever, cocking indicator, and the return spring for the cocking lever. the connecting rod and interlock lever are lifted mechanically from the Model 19 nearly - replace the rebound slide/spring/lever assembly with the connector assembly and the trigger rod with the connecting rod/lever.

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it is your opinion, because you can directly point at the parts list and design and directly see that the Rhino is a modified hammer-fired S&W with a few embellishments. this is not out of line for Ghisoni's earlier work (i can compare both the Rhino and the Unica 6 for example as a much more complex revolver).

it is an aluminum framed revolver, with the rest largely being stamped steel. just like the S&W Airweights (Model 642) and the scandium-framed 340, they can certainly handle a moderate diet of .357 Magnum loads, but not on the duty cycle of a fully steel constructed revolver. they aren't a GP100. your opinion is duly noted, but people can and do carry aluminum revolvers and the Rhino is capable, if not popular, for the task.

Oh, I'm aware that 1911s (and variants) are no longer the dominant sidearm issued and while a soldier may choose the Glock-19 (for weight/size) or the Baretta M9 (for availability/accuracy); the 1911 platform isn't rejected for reliability issues and it still seems to finds it's place on the modern battlefield. The last 30 years may be considered "limited service", but the 1911 has been serving armed forces for 108 years all-the-same.
the 1911A1's in service were always a mix-master parts bin of random luck, often having to scavenge parts from COTS supplies in order to assemble working pistols. DoD hadn't ordered any new ones since the end of WW2 and even by Vietnam they were long in the tooth.

i spent years servicing them and the four biggest problems are inherent to the design:

  1. controlled feeding at all times - if you lack three points of contact you will get a misfeed
  2. ejection pattern will greatly depend on ramp geometry. not a problem on most issue weapons, but aftermarket ramped barrels or frames can interfere with this if someone doesn't know how to machine things properly. this will be evident with FTE's about half the time too.
  3. frame and slide cracking. this isn't a quality control issue - the frame itself does not have a duty cycled longer than about 10k rounds before you really need to determine if the frame has enough ductility to be rebuilt or if it's stretched too much that the heat treating on the dust cover or at the nose of the slide will crack and present a safety issue.
  4. while it's been a great service pistol, on the commercial market they can be very hit or miss outside of a few manufacturers that know what they're doing. that's not a knock on the design, but more that it's a design that does not lend itself well to mass manufacture outside of tightly controlled machining operations done with tooling purpose built for the task and not generic mills or lathes.
the crown for a more widespread pistol with a more modern design would be the Hi-Power. attempts at improving the 1911 just aren't worth it vs newer designs (P6 derivatives, Glock 17 derivatives, et c).

...and the 1911 has never been seen as a reliability problem.
read Sweeney's 1911: The First Hundred Years and you'll find plenty of problems with the 1911 throughout it's history and when it was eventually replaced. it was among the best handguns made, but it isn't the best anymore, and more to it, the design is both dated and can't be implemented outside of some precision shops these days, making it's life as a general purpose duty pistol effectively obsolete.
 
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Colt 1991A1 Series-80 actually, but who's counting, right? She's been in my service for over a decade now and I have yet to jam or pinch a shell, even with hi-cap 15rnd mags/bulk ammo; she's fuckin' mint! I keep my shit clean/oiled though and run a series of small mods (comp-trigger, shock-buffer, custom hammer, etc) which keeps her working reliably.

Sad you've had issues with the 1911 platform. I've really only heard people complain about the cheap knock-offs (Rock Island, EAA, Llama, etc). Next time try shooting a Colt, S&W, or Remington 1911 firearm and know the joy I feel every time I commit homicide or celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

...isn't the 1911 platform going on 108yrs of US military service now? Why would you put an unreliable weapon on a $150,000 investment wearing $25,000 in costly gear? Sidearm or not, soldiers tend to demand working/reliable weapons and for some MAGICAL reason they return to the 1911 platform.
So close... so very close. :story:

I like facts, how about you share some? I've seen you suppose and complain alot about 1911's, but I've yet to see some real substance. Do you have thought beyond passion? Or am I just netting words with another air-soft fad kid (You probly own a KSG shotgun too, huh?!‽)? XD
  • Losing what now? This is a general gun chat with general net-fags, not the Jr.High debate finals. I use boldface, ellipsis, and italics to simulate the cadence of my speech and enunciate points effectively. If wanting to be effectively understood and utilizing various language tools to do so is a "losing position", then yeah, I guess you got me?
  • "There's probably a general term for that kind of fallacy, but I don't recall it right away." Classic. :story: You do realize there are military trials that test arms for service and re-validate serving weapons as well, right? There weren't just 3 prototypes submitted by Browning in 1911 and the US armed forces called it "good"; the pistol has passed comparison testing well up until the late 80's. The military trials include, salt soaks, humidity torture tests, continuous fire testing and various other harsh condition operation to test the weapon's reliability. It sees battlefield use because of it's particular skill set not because some private finds it sitting under the passenger-seat in a humvee.
  • "Reasons to favor a pistol on the battlefield may not apply to civilian uses." Oh yeah, like when? Hunting fowl? Target-practice? I don't have a CWP to scare bears or plink cans, so MOST battlefield tested firearms have a "civilian use", as far as I'm concerned. Light, reliable, effective, accurate, comfortable... sounds like a civilian's dream pistol! I'm with you on government/military bureaucracy, though. Robert McNamara's Whiz Kids, and the M16 are a good example of the many problems you'll face if you forego reliability testing. Luckily that seems to be a rare enough exception that it literally stands-out as a tale of what not to do.

...yeah dude, but we aren't discussing some West-Congo rebel tribe here. It's the US Armed Forces, and the DOD. They're in the business to win wars and do so relatively efficiently with a decent amount of resources backing them. The last time soldiers were given sub-par arms was, again with Robert McNamara's Whiz Kids, and the M16. However, that problem took a year (powder, gas-tube and all) to rectify which shows reliability is paramount to the armed forces. Point being, problems are found and rectified quickly in the armed forces (especially at the cost of expensive lives) and the 1911 has never been seen as a reliability problem.

LOL calm down

Next time try shooting a Colt, S&W, or Remington 1911 firearm and know the joy I feel every time I commit homicide

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Autism aside what are firearms you want to purchase next? I want a Type 99 again because my last i traded for an SKS welded by a chinaman to take AK mags.
 
I'm still planning to get some sort of shotgun at some point in the near/mid future, maybe in the summertime if I have some spare bucks laying around for the safe and shit I need to get.

Debating the relative merits of getting a cheapo pumpy vs a more expensive but more fun Saiga/Vepr.

An AKM-pattern rifle in .366 TKM also seems really interesting but fuck, proprietary (and therefore expensive, almost 2x more per shot than 12 gauge buck or 7.62x39) ammo with only one manufacturer (Techkrim, which isn't known for top quality factory loads)...
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I've been wanting to build another AR lately , I'm been torn between a 556 pistol or 6.5 grendel rifle.
 
Something that fires the 5.56mm. That has been a conspicuous lack in my arsenal for some time. I'd prefer light to heavy and a rifle over a pistol, and I'd like it to take AR-15 magazines. Other than that, I have few fixed ideas.
 
Autism aside what are firearms you want to purchase next? I want a Type 99 again because my last i traded for an SKS welded by a chinaman to take AK mags.
I've been eyein' pieces for a .308 AR build for a while now, but a milled AK underfolder fell into my lap last week and I had to buy it. Good times!
 
I've got no plans to ever do a sbr or any other tax stamp thing. Just my extremely passive protest against the NFA and the ATF.

As long as you don't have the pistol upper attached to the lower when the rifle stock configured buffer tube is installed on the lower, you don't have an SBR. This is all really a moot point unless you do this in front of an ATF agent, or make a youtube video about it, but these are the ATF's rules. Build it as a pistol first, and document it as a CYA, and you can swap it between pistol and rifle configurations.
 
Hello again gun thread!

Here are my two AR15 pistols. The top is in .300BLK, the bottom .223

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They are, in fact, fantastic. Though the .223 tends to empty out the pistol range when it comes out, something about muzzle blast from a 7.5" barrel people don't like.
 
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