Mega Rad Gun Thread

[The_Truth]

What are some of the most overrated guns in your guys' opinions? I believe that the Beretta 92, in most (if not all) of it's variations, is fairly overrated.

Why would you think the Beretta is overrated?

It was revolutionary when it was introduced and a huge step up over guns like the 1911 or HiPower.

It's also the smoothest gun I've ever shot. I'm not the biggest fan of the gun, but I can't see why anyone would think it's overrated.

 

[Molester Stallone]

Why would you think the Beretta is overrated?

It was revolutionary when it was introduced and a huge step up over guns like the 1911 or HiPower.

It's also the smoothest gun I've ever shot. I'm not the biggest fan of the gun, but I can't see why anyone would think it's overrated.

I wouldn't say the model 92 is over rated. It certainly is outdated when compared to more modern weapons that boast a higher magazine capacity and longer service life.

 

[dunbrine47]

Why would you think the Beretta is overrated?

It was revolutionary when it was introduced and a huge step up over guns like the 1911 or HiPower.

It's also the smoothest gun I've ever shot. I'm not the biggest fan of the gun, but I can't see why anyone would think it's overrated.

Do people hate how when you pull the trigger on a new mag, there seems to be a short delay between pulling the trigger and the gun firing?

 

[The_Truth]

I wouldn't say the model 92 is over rated. It certainly is outdated when compared to more modern weapons that boast a higher magazine capacity and longer service life.

Like what exactly? It out performed Sig back when Sig was still making a quality gun.

It holds 10 to 32 rounds with factory mags and can flush fit a 17 rounder. How man bullets are you looking to have in a side arm?

Do people hate how when you pull the trigger on a new mag, there seems to be a short delay between pulling the trigger and the gun firing?

What delay? The hammer his the firing pin in a fraction of a second.

The gun has a long double action first pull which frankly is safer than these spoungy striker fired guns.

The L.A. county sheriff's department noted a 4x increase in accidently shootings when switching from their Berettas to the M&P.

 

[ES 148]

I bought a new Nerf Strongarm for concealed carry.

 

[Club Sandwich]

I wouldn't say the model 92 is over rated. It certainly is outdated when compared to more modern weapons that boast a higher magazine capacity and longer service life.

standard capacity for the modern 92FS is 17 rounds with 18 rounds available from Mec Gar. the open slide design is quite useful in ensuring it's difficult to get repeated stovepipe jams, and the locking block is generally what needs to be replaced and fitted for long service life. my experience using one since the 1990's has made them out to be quite reliable and adequate, albeit somewhat bulky apart from the Vertec and similar newer designs. the one more annoying bit is that the front sight is typically not dovetailed, but specific models of 92 allow a dovetailed front sight these days.

the 92 is about as outdated as the Glock 17 (1982) or the SIG P226 (1983), which is to say, not at all. the 1911A1 can be called outdated in many ways (although not ineffective), but it stems from redesigns in the 1920's...

 

[dunbrine47]

What delay? The hammer his the firing pin in a fraction of a second.

Must have been a quirk of the particular one I rented.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

Do people hate how when you pull the trigger on a new mag, there seems to be a short delay between pulling the trigger and the gun firing?

The only delay is you putting enough force to pull the trigger back enough. There should be no delay from when the firing pin hits the primer unless the primer is defective or the powder is defective.

Must have been a quirk of the particular one I rented.

New mag? You mean when you put in a fresh mag after firing the prior mag empty? Was the slide locked back or yo had to recock the slide each mag change?

That still wouldn't cause a delay unless your mind is playing a trick on you.

 

[dunbrine47]

New mag? You mean when you put in a fresh mag after firing the prior mag empty? Was the slide locked back or yo had to recock the slide each mag change?

That still wouldn't cause a delay unless your mind is playing a trick on you.

I believe I did recock the slide every time I changed the mag. I'm going to agree with you for now that my mind must have been playing tricks on me plus being inexperienced with firearms.

 

[Molester Stallone]

Like what exactly? It out performed Sig back when Sig was still making a quality gun.

It holds 10 to 32 rounds with factory mags and can flush fit a 17 rounder. How man bullets are you looking to have in a side arm?

Sig did build a better gun up until 15 years ago. New Sigs aren't anywhere near the quality as their older German counterparts. The Beretta from what I recall did not out perform the 226 when testing was being conducted. Beretta gave the military a better deal and that's why is was chosen. The Beretta is a large gun with a large grip. There are compact size pistols that out perform the model 92 while also weighing less and having a higher capacity. A Glock 19 can accept a 33 round factory mag if need be. It also has fewer parts to fail.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

I believe I did recock the slide every time I changed the mag. I'm going to agree with you for now that my mind must have been playing tricks on me plus being inexperienced with firearms.

A helpful tip. If at any time when you press the trigger on handgun and it doesn't feel right (not enough kick for instance or no pop and bang or just a pop but no bang) hold the gun at the target for about 30 seconds but do not press the trigger again. Then take out the mag and pull back the slide to see if the round didn't fire or if it did, get a pencil or wooden dowel if you have one or a brass cleaning rod and stick it down the barrel. Don't look down the barrel, you can on a number of guns see down the breech if possible. If you feel the pencil hit something in the barrel or if looking from the breech end do not see light when pointed down range at the light, get the range officer. You got a squib load and those are very dangerous if you were to fire another round in that gun.

 

[The_Truth]

Sig did build a better gun up until 15 years ago. New Sigs aren't anywhere near the quality as their older German counterparts. The Beretta from what I recall did not out perform the 226 when testing was being conducted. Beretta gave the military a better deal and that's why is was chosen. The Beretta is a large gun with a large grip. There are compact size pistols that out perform the model 92 while also weighing less and having a higher capacity. A Glock 19 can accept a 33 round factory mag if need be. It also has fewer parts to fail.

The Beretta can accept a factory 32 rounder, what's your point? No military or law enforcement organization is going to deploy a semi auto handgun with a 30 rounder, they were left over from their full auto variants.

The Beretta 92 is a full size gun, why would you compare it to a compact gun like the Glock 19?

Beretta produced compact variants with and without the rail as well.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

The Beretta can accept a factory 32 rounder, what's your point? No military or law enforcement organization is going to deploy a semi auto handgun with a 30 rounder, they were left over from their full auto variants.

The Beretta 92 is a full size gun, why would you compare it to a compact gun like the Glock 19?

Beretta produced compact variants with and without the rail as well.

One reason the US military took the beretta was the manual safety. In a number of parts of the world open carry of handguns means someone will try to grab the gun and use it. This is why the Israelis taught their military to not carry a round in the chamber but to quickly rack the slide. Problem is to do that with any reliability you have to train a lot with snap caps or the gun being empty. But with a manual safety they found that if some abo grabbed the gun they were too stupid to figure out the manual safety. Allowing the US solider to either use hand to hand or draw his combat knife to deal with the abo.

 

[Molester Stallone]

The Beretta can accept a factory 32 rounder, what's your point? No military or law enforcement organization is going to deploy a semi auto handgun with a 30 rounder, they were left over from their full auto variants.

The Beretta 92 is a full size gun, why would you compare it to a compact gun like the Glock 19?

Beretta produced compact variants with and without the rail as well.

I'd compare the two because the Glock can do the same thing in a smaller lighter package with a better track record for reliability and service life. The compact Berettas are still larger and heavier. I'm not stating the Beretta is a bad gun, if it were I wouldn't own one. The military argument doesn't make any sense at this point since the M9 is currently being replaced with that god awful P320.

 

[The_Truth]

I'd compare the two because the Glock can do the same thing in a smaller lighter package with a better track record for reliability and service life.

Again, according to who?

You keep saying the same thing over and over and have yet to produce a single source for this claim.

 

[Molester Stallone]

Beretta themselves claim a 25,000 round service life for the 92 series. Glock, or any modern striker fired polymer framed handgun is going to outlast that unless the owner does something stupid. There are Glocks with a documented round count of 300,000 and counting. Check out Chuck Taylors articles if want further proof. I don't think I need to prove the weight/size thing. It's pretty apparent.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

Beretta themselves claim a 25,000 round service life for the 92 series. Glock, or any modern striker fired polymer framed handgun is going to outlast that unless the owner does something stupid. There are Glocks with a documented round count of 300,000 and counting. Check out Chuck Taylors articles if want further proof. I don't think I need to prove the weight/size thing. It's pretty apparent.

You do know on service life that usually means a component needs to be replaced not the whole pistol? Glock parts also have service lifes but in the case of glocks the police found that under the glock policy of service it was easier to send in the pistol for a rebate or sell it used but broken and buy a new block after 1500 rounds or 150 rounds when they found a component had worn out.

 

[Molester Stallone]

I doubt Glock or any quality firearm is having parts failures at 1,500 rounds.

 

[oldTireWater]

Like a moth to the flame I can't help adding my two cents to an autistic debate.

The 92FS/M9 is a piece of shit, for no other reason than the locking block is unforgivably fragile. I've had two crumble on on me. Literally crack and break apart into little chunks. I am not the only person this has happened to.

 

[neogafrefugeenumber44634]

I doubt Glock or any quality firearm is having parts failures at 1,500 rounds.

Yet it has been known to happen to glock 40s. Also do you honestly think the barrel rifling lasts 80 k rounds? Also the military had a minimum service life requirement. Any company that wanted a mill contract was going to uphold that minimum and not more?