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Falcos_Commisar said:
The US gun industry has been in the shitter since late 2024 (hmmmmm 🤔) and if you're not a Glock clone / 9mm double stack polymer pistol with a LOT of intertia behind it, a 2011/1911 or something AR adjacent or a classic 12ga / 20ga shotgun you're in a WORLD of hurt.
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A lot of that is simply because personal firearms are a mature technology and we're most likely several decades away from any kind of advancement in that area. Electromagnetic weapons are in their infancy, and unless we get a huge breakthrough in battery technology, we've pretty much reached our technological limit there. Likewise, directed energy weapons have many of the same limitations and some of their own that make them unlikely to ever see widespread use in our lifetimes.

That's why I love Kel-Tec so much and am happy to see them stick around. They keep the gun space from getting too boring.
 
With SBRs and SBSs being treated as any normal firearm, I think it might kick off a spell of innovation in the civvie field. Same with suppressors. Maybe we will see more integrally suppressed options in the near future now that you can basically buy an HK SP5SD and walk right out the door with it same day?

My next gun will probably be a Marlin 1895, either the SBL or the Dark, and get it decked out with the aluminum tactical furniture, optic, and suppressor mount muzzle device. I love big bore lever rifles and have been itching to add one to my collection ever since Ruger brought back Marlin. I've already got a box of hot .45-70 Gov ammo from Buffalo Bore that I've had for 15 years or so. Just sucks that you can't get the cowboy loads for it for $25 like you could back in the day. It used to be a pretty affordable round for being so big.
 
My 2c on the Ruger situation

-Revolvers are just an obsolete form of firearm, sure you can shoot small ones from in hoodie pockets (but that requires either a weird specialized holster or having a loose revolver inside your pocket) and it's way easier to put Magnum handgun cartridges in them than engineering a semi auto to shoot them, but it's arguable if that even matters due to 1. Only weirdos doing handgun hunting and 2.most successful bear defenses involving 9mm's. It's like getting upset because Colt discontinued producing Cap and Ball revolvers when cartridge revolvers came out. Semi auto pistols have been the dominant variety of handgun in America since the 80's at least. I'm no production engineer but I don't think it makes economic sense for Ruger to offer 13 different revolvers (involving hundreds of individual sku's), one of which is an ultra cheap snubby, Four are .22lr cowboy LARP guns (and Cowboy LARP is NOT in right now, and when it was it was all for modernized lever actions), 3 are centerfire cowboy LARP Guns, a big Magnum revolver, an even bigger Magnum revolver, and 3 compact/full size carry revolvers

If I were the Ruger CEO and I just had to keep revolver production going I'd consolidate into a refreshed LCR, an Upgraded GP-100, one unified Cowboy LARP gun family in .22lr and Centerfire each and limited production of the Super Redhawk for handgun hunters

As for pistols, it's even more bleak

-While the LCP series is remaining untouched, I'd Dump the LCP and LCP-II, Consolidate around the LCP Max if it's made at all
-Discontinue the Security series
-Probably the Max-9 too
-I don't think anyone is really going to miss the SR1911, It's not like we have a shortage of 1911's in this country
-Ruger 5.7 is locked into the 5.7 War everyone decided to start fighting a few years back, but it's up against FN, PSA, S&W, Kel-Tec and I think Tisas? 5.7 is kind of a meme
-Ruger is basically obligated to Keep the MK.IV around, although other .22lr handguns are absolutely raping it in the ongoing .22lr magazine capacity wars, Ruger really needs to take it double stack with a MK.V Model
-The RXM is almost certainly the best selling Ruger handgun at the moment, they can probably replace some of their LCP offerings and the Max-9 with a Glock 26/43/48 sized RXM


Rifles
-I don't know much about the 77 or Hawkeye series but I assume they can't justify themselves economically anymore in the age where Tikka is doing numbers in the perfectly good sub $1k bolt gun market, which is the same broader overall market where there is very little difference between bolt actions besides build quality
-The Ruger Precision Rifle is already on it's like 4th generation and it sells well so it'll come back
-LC Carbine and LC Charger are in 5.7 and 5.7 is Silly
-PC Carbine and PC Charger are, eh, kind of meh from a features perspective, you're locked Into a proprietary ecosystem, good for ban states though
-The No.1 going away is probably going to result in enshittification and that sucks for the like 2000 guns Ruger makes annually
-It's not listed in the release but they really should do away with the Mini-14, ban states have SCR's, FM Ranch Rifles, the Sig Regulator, the CMMG Compliant guns and a few other AWB compliant semi autos
 
The biggest "problem" with Ruger revolvers is that they are built like tanks and last forever, meaning you could probably get whatever Ruger revolver you could probably desire on the used market, as there are a LOT of them around. Very low chance that you'll actually come across one beat into oblivion outside of finish wear.
 
AGPinochet said:
If I were the Ruger CEO and I just had to keep revolver production going I'd consolidate into a refreshed LCR, an Upgraded GP-100, one unified Cowboy LARP gun family in .22lr and Centerfire each and limited production of the Super Redhawk for handgun hunters

As for pistols, it's even more bleak

-While the LCP series is remaining untouched, I'd Dump the LCP and LCP-II, Consolidate around the LCP Max if it's made at all
-Discontinue the Security series
-Probably the Max-9 too
-I don't think anyone is really going to miss the SR1911, It's not like we have a shortage of 1911's in this country
-Ruger 5.7 is locked into the 5.7 War everyone decided to start fighting a few years back, but it's up against FN, PSA, S&W, Kel-Tec and I think Tisas? 5.7 is kind of a meme
-Ruger is basically obligated to Keep the MK.IV around, although other .22lr handguns are absolutely raping it in the ongoing .22lr magazine capacity wars, Ruger really needs to take it double stack with a MK.V Model
-The RXM is almost certainly the best selling Ruger handgun at the moment, they can probably replace some of their LCP offerings and the Max-9 with a Glock 26/43/48 sized RXM


Rifles
-I don't know much about the 77 or Hawkeye series but I assume they can't justify themselves economically anymore in the age where Tikka is doing numbers in the perfectly good sub $1k bolt gun market, which is the same broader overall market where there is very little difference between bolt actions besides build quality
-The Ruger Precision Rifle is already on it's like 4th generation and it sells well so it'll come back
-LC Carbine and LC Charger are in 5.7 and 5.7 is Silly
-PC Carbine and PC Charger are, eh, kind of meh from a features perspective, you're locked Into a proprietary ecosystem, good for ban states though
-The No.1 going away is probably going to result in enshittification and that sucks for the like 2000 guns Ruger makes annually
-It's not listed in the release but they really should do away with the Mini-14, ban states have SCR's, FM Ranch Rifles, the Sig Regulator, the CMMG Compliant guns and a few other AWB compliant semi autos
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NGL pretty reasonable list.

I actually JUST talked to my FFL and he agrees that Ruger is killing off a majority of its current production stuff in the next 2-3 months.

Now that doesn't mean it won't be relaunched and tweaked next year (hello SHOT Show) but yeah really slow movers or oddball calibers are definitely gone.

You're correct that the Ruger semi auto pistol space is BLOATED and really needs to be LCP, LCP Max, Mk4 and RXM. That's IT.

SR-22.... Zero need, make a RXM .22 or some shit or a LCP Max .22lr

Revolvers.... One big DA/SA ( probably GP100 as SP101 is a weird size) and one SA (and make the SA production limited a year)

Rim fire revolvers.... LCR/LCRx for DA/SA and.... Wrangler or Single Six for SA (single six is WAY nicer but probably way more expensive).

Rifles.... American and rim fire American, 10/22 and the RPR. I want and will probably now get a Hawkeye but I think it has WAY too many SKUs. One-two wood stock skus, one polymer stock sku, stainless or blued and that's it. Hell make it limited production a year if you have to.


Dump the M77 (.22 hornet really?!?!), all of the PCCs (frts and FRSs make a "normal" SMG a WAAAYYY better buy and you aren't outcompeting Kimber on PCC prices)


Meanwhile S&W has a menagerie of revolvers because they have 3 (well 4 but the X frame is RARE) revolver frames and the differences are cylinder (caliber) and barrel length and maybe frame material. That's it.

Ah well, I'm SURE Ruger top mgmt won't colossally fuck this up and get fired by Beretta when Ruger is bought and broken apart for cash by the Italians in 2 years.....
 
The Dude said:
My next gun will probably be a Marlin 1895, either the SBL or the Dark
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Post about it after you get some trigger time. Unless the Marlin 39A comes back this will the next lever action rifle I buy.
Taser Confetti said:
I wouldn’t carry one out of the box without extensive range testing.

I consider them more of a project gun. You swap the internals with Wilson parts as you play kitchen table gunsmith.
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I've heard from a few people whose opinions I trust that out of the box these are just fine. They're not Dan Wesson quality but they're also a lot better than current Colts.
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The No.1 going away is probably going to result in enshittification and that sucks for the like 2000 guns Ruger makes annually
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This one hurts. I want one a No. 1 in a solid safari caliber still.
 
Couldn’t wait to get her home to get a picture lol Inland Division M1 from 1944
 

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Dean Pentel said:
Post about it after you get some trigger time. Unless the Marlin 39A comes back this will the next lever action rifle I buy.

I've heard from a few people whose opinions I trust that out of the box these are just fine. They're not Dan Wesson quality but they're also a lot better than current Colts.

This one hurts. I want one a No. 1 in a solid safari caliber still.
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I had the plain jane .357 Marlin 1895. I loved it and only sold it because I want the stainless model more.

As for 1911s, my Springfield Garrison is pretty damn nice for under $750 OTD. Note that it DID need some breaking it (50-100 rounds through it dry then a cleaning and lubrication to get to 100%)
 
Thread bros, my Bodyguard 2.0 has an unusual problem with it: it'll run ball ammo just fine but the bullets keyhole. Any ball ammo I've fed through it does this. The HP ammo (that will actually feed) doesn't; prints as expected. Does this need to go back to S&W?
 
Dean Pentel said:
Thread bros, my Bodyguard 2.0 has an unusual problem with it: it'll run ball ammo just fine but the bullets keyhole. Any ball ammo I've fed through it does this. The HP ammo (that will actually feed) doesn't; prints as expected. Does this need to go back to S&W?
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Dean Pentel said:
Thread bros, my Bodyguard 2.0 has an unusual problem with it: it'll run ball ammo just fine but the bullets keyhole. Any ball ammo I've fed through it does this. The HP ammo (that will actually feed) doesn't; prints as expected. Does this need to go back to S&W?
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Are you sure it's key-holing and not just tearing paper targets? HPs always seem to act like wadcutters and punch neat holes but FMJ doesn't especially with subsonic rounds. It gets worse when I haven't changed the cardboard behind my target and it's all blown out because the paper moves.
 
God's drunkest driver said:
Are you sure it's key-holing and not just tearing paper targets? HPs always seem to act like wadcutters and punch neat holes but FMJ doesn't especially with subsonic rounds. It gets worse when I haven't changed the cardboard behind my target and it's all blown out because the paper moves.
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I had exactly this problem with a Bodyguard 380 once.
 
Dean Pentel said:
Post about it after you get some trigger time. Unless the Marlin 39A comes back this will the next lever action rifle I buy.
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Absolutely will. I would love to see the Model 39A return. Arguably the finest lever action rimfire ever made. I'd love to see them do something similar to what they're doing with their centerfire rifles where they offer the more classic style for those who want it more traditional, but also offer them in a more modern variation with threaded barrels for suppressors, optics rails, stainless steel or a more durable finish than plain blueing. I've already got a Browning BL22 and a Winchester 9422, so it would be really cool to have the whole trifecta of high quality .22lr lever rifles.
 
ChampFantana said:
Speaking of Bond guns, is the PPK as dogshit as everything I've read on it says?
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I bought a modern production .380 PPK, and a few years later the slide stop broke while I was shooting it. Outside that the recoil was just a little too snappy for my liking, the sights were smaller than I would have cared for, and it's the only gun of mine where somebody complained about slide bite. If you're married to the .38 caliber, I'd recommend a Makarov over it, even if it would be harder to keep fed. There's nothing a PPK does that a Makarov doesn't, except show up in the hands of James Bond on the silver screen.
 
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