Mega Rad Gun Thread

[Taser Confetti]

Well, that, but also considering in garrison that gun is going to be changing hands and going in and out of stowage constantly the over under on needing it in a sudden ambush context vs ND from improper handeling and such...

The gate guards when you enter a base are hot. Don't get the wrong impression that the entire military always Isreali carries as a matter of policy. Typically that's just the schmuck on duty.

If I remember correctly the Belgians are the only NATO country that gives every single rifleman a pistol.

 

[Bassomatic]

Empty chamber carry is for conscripts that can't be trusted to not piss on the floor.

This and Israeli carry is also because starting off they had a total mismash of weapons, so manual of arms is pretty fucking hard when you're dealing with 17 different side arms. Condition 3 covers basically every firearm well enough to just use that.

Personally, I've carried many ways and I oft mexicarry. I still have a penis, no I won't post it.

 

[The Dude]

I actually agree with this. I was of the position to carry without one in the chamber under the assumption that my racking method was sufficient. It was not lol, i realized after actually trying to chamber the way i had practiced that it did not work and resulted in hang ups and jams every time.

So yes even with practice you can still be wrong when the time comes to actually chamber a round and thats why im a fag that likes manual safeties.

Every self defense pistol course I've been through stressed the importance of economy of movement and muscle memory in a gun fight. To put it simply, you want to minimize how many movements it takes for you to get your gun into action when it counts, and minimize how much movement it takes you to do so. And then practice, practice, practice until it becomes basically autopilot when and if the shoe does drop. Having to rack the slide while trying to get your weapon into action is one more unnecessary movement to make, one more thing to fumble and go wrong when only seconds count.

Gross motor skills vs. fine motor skills also comes into play. When you get that adrenaline dump into your system due to being in a life or death situation, you gross motor skills are going right down the shitter. This is why every self defense pistol course will stress the importance of working the slide when you reload instead of trying to manipulate the slide release. Trying to find a tiny piece of metal with the edge of your thumb to push it down and drop the slide is a helluva lot more difficult to do when you've got the adrenaline shakes than it is to wrap your whole support hand around the top of the slide and pushing your hands away from each other. It doesn’t matter if you've always used the slide release to drop the slide on a reload your whole entire life and have done it thousands upon thousands of times, when the shit hits the fan and you're schucking and jiving like a junkie in need of a fix while holding a jackhammer, you ain't finding that itty-bitty pad of metal with your thumb and having the coordination to press it down quick, fast, and in a hurry the very first time like you'll need to in a reload under pressure. Similar concept with racking the slide while drawing your weapon. The adrenaline will hit, your coordination will go to shit, you'll go to grab the slide to rack it and your hand will completely miss the weapon and you'll have to go for a second grab. And by that time DeQuandrius the not-so-friendly neighborhood crackhead will have closed the ten foot distance between the two of you and buried his shitty Walmart folding knife in your chest.

 

[Boney]

I'm going to write a rebuttal (because of fucking course I was) but I want to lead with nothing you said is stupid or wrong per-say, only the product of outdated and inferior training then what is available.. When I did cop things I was taught the exact same stuff you just said, and I occasionally still run into people commenting in my own courses the same stuff. You are doing good and I sincerely don't say what I'm about to say with any hostility.

BUT...

It doesn’t matter if you've always used the slide release to drop the slide on a reload your whole entire life and have done it thousands upon thousands of times, when the shit hits the fan and you're schucking and jiving like a junkie in need of a fix while holding a jackhammer, you ain't finding that itty-bitty pad of metal with your thumb and having the coordination to press it down quick, fast, and in a hurry the very first time like you'll need to in a reload under pressure.

Is wrong. Very wrong, and very dangerous of a training philosophy.

A wise man once said:

But that same wise man also said all of this:

mps

You should train to do things right not dummy proof, because being stupid is a choice and you are not stupid. The micro/macro movement logic is not true, and it isn't how adrenaline works. You've probably heard people recount truamatic or dangerous moments with phrases like "time slows down" and "hyper fixation" "staring down a tunnel at the danger". When you are being shot at one of two things happens, you panic and divert all power to lizard brain, or, you fall back on your training.

What I see all the god damn time in my classes is (boomers in particularly) hit a wall and begin to justify their lack of performance with adages, fudd lore, or logic that excuses their issues.

Train using the slide release, so that when it comes time to use the slide release, you find it. It is the superior method because then the palm of your support hand can apply pressure to the magazine ensuring it seats and has an index point to roll back into your two handed grip. This is substantially faster and makes sure you keep perfect muzzle control. Shoot both eyes open so that you can learn target focused shooting, with or without irons this is faster and more accurate. Don't give yourself credit for bad shooting because it "would be in their chest". You need to put on in the T-Box or heart to make sure they don't get a turn on the trigger.

Your performance will indeed drop drastically when the pressure is on, the first time, but you put that pressure into your training regime when you are ready to and you will shine when the time comes. If you've read my long rambling guide you know that I don't really introduce people to shot timers until a bit down the road in training. My expectation for a student or pupil is to have certain skills at certain proficiencies before I start making them nervous in any capacity. Knowing our performance will drop, we set our training standards very high. Knowing we aren't going to start off being very good at this, we are very patient in meeting those high standards.

When you learn anything, especially shooting, learn it the right best way, not the shortcut cut way, because having to unlearn something is going to be much worse for you and your pride becomes attached to the non-skills you've developed.

 

[Romulus augustulus]

It doesn’t matter if you've always used the slide release to drop the slide on a reload your whole entire life and have done it thousands upon thousands of times

well golly gee feller, I sure managed to cock the hammer on my .45 when I literally walked into a bear in the brush one night. it took no concentration or fumbling and I had the biggest adrenaline dump and scare of my life at the time.

 

[Boney]

well golly gee feller, I sure managed to cock the hammer on my .45 when I literally walked into a bear in the brush one night. it took no concentration or fumbling and I had the biggest adrenaline dump and scare of my life at the time.

Yeah but...

today though I carried my .45. got atleast 10,000 rounds on this gun.

Has way more to do with it then staving off the panic. And that's my point.

Dude made a quality effort post and deserves in kind.

 

[Taser Confetti]

Can we stop treating Paul Harrell like some sort of ultimate rebuttal? The man has a respectable career in the USMC and shot two junkies but that doesn’t make him the gun pope.

There’s no valid excuse to Israeli carry or to not slingshot your slide during a reload. Adrenaline is a bitch and your fine motor skills will go to shit in a real fight or even just a good sprint. This isn’t up for debate.

 

[Boney]

Can we stop treating Paul Harrell like some sort of ultimate rebuttal? The man has a respectable career in the USMC and shot two junkies but that doesn’t make him the gun pope.

There’s no valid excuse to Israeli carry or to not slingshot your slide during a reload. Adrenaline is a bitch and your fine motor skills will go to shit in a real fight or even just a good sprint. This isn’t up for debate.

Your fine motor skills do not go to shit and slingshotting the gun is literally a product of training that let girls be cops (it came to me in a dream).

Paul Harrel was a cool good guy, who gave out medicore common sense adivce. He's not a great training aid, and thats not what I was using him as.

You can stress yourself and condition yourself to not panic without having to actually get shot at regularly by doing things such as his reccomendations. That was the point.

Also to jump scare people with screaming Paul Harrel.

 

[Taser Confetti]

You fine motor skills do not go to shit and slimgshotting the gun is literally a product of training that let girls be cops (it came to me in a dream).

Are you a pistol instructor? Have you been a cop? Or are you just spouting internet tough guy talking points?

You can stress yourself and condition yourself to not panic without having to actually get shot ay regularly by doing things such as his reccomendations.

Yeah no. It might put you in a better situation than your average soccer mom with a J frame in her purse but this is just nonsense.

 

[SHIGGSHOGG]

The whole slide release vs not slide release thing really depends on the gun. A handful of guns the grip is in a way where half the time it's under you hand or fingers and the slide doesn't lock and the other half the time it hurts your thumb too much to drop it.
Maybe I should get an upgraded slide release for my carry gun......

 

[Boney]

Are you a pistol instructor? Have you been a cop? Or are you just spouting internet tough guy talking points?

I am infact a firearms instructor, a very good one I'd estimate. And, I was in fact a cop. I am also a Marine. I could go on, but like you said, tough guy and such.

Yeah no. It might put you in a better situation than your average soccer mom with a J frame in her purse but this is just nonsense.

This is just stupid. Yes, people get lofty ideas and big egos about how cool they will be. Very dumb to assume there is little you can do to change the outcome of an active shooting or gun fight.

 

[(((Obar Lazcano Kamz)))]

I dont really care about the debate, i just found the way i do it now works better. I had to reliably get the slide back far enough each time which i wasnt so it would jam.

 

[Taser Confetti]

I am infact a firearms instructor, a very good one I'd estimate. And, I was in fact a cop. I am also a Marine. I could go on, but like you said, tough guy and such.

Okay, then you’d also acknowledge half the firearms on the market consider it a slide stop instead of a slide release and never intend it to be used outside of a slingshot. There’s a reason people mod their Glocks with aftermarket releases (they’re also idiots).

This is just stupid. Yes, people get lofty ideas and big egos about how cool they will be. Very dumb to assume there is little you can do to change the outcome of an active shooting or gun fight.

The average person is barely capable of fending off a fent zombie that wants their credit cards. Getting people to actually carry the guns they own even after getting their state carry license is a more realistic goal than turning Ethel and Billy into gun fighters.

 

[Bassomatic]

I dont really care about the debate, i just found the way i do it now works better. I had to reliably get the slide back far enough each time which i wasnt so it would jam.

You actually win, there's no better way than what works best, there's not better gun than what you feel confident with.

 

[Blasterisk]

slide stop instead of a slide release

I never really understood this concept

After it stops the slide, you can press it and it releases the slide on basically every model of pistol that I can think of (I am sure there are some exceptions)

The difference seems to be a murky arcane path of twisted logic to make excuses for not using it. Why not say that you just don't want to because slingshotting is cooler?

 

[Taser Confetti]

I never really understood this concept

After it stops the slide, you can press it and it releases the slide on basically every model of pistol that I can think of (I am sure there are some exceptions)

The difference seems to be a murky arcane path of twisted logic to make excuses for not using it. Why not say that you just don't want to because slingshotting is cooler?

It’s fundamentally an easier task on some handguns compared to others. Or you could develop the universal muscle memory and be good for everything

 

[code123]

I thought this anti slide release argument was retarded because I have never had any issues with it from what I can remember and I feel like I have pretty small hands (wear size small gloves) so I went and grabbed all the handguns in the safe and dropped the slide a bunch, thought yall where retarded till I got to the cz75 great gun but the manual safety got in the way of the slide release quite a bit. Fnx45 had the safety in the way a little bit but not really that bad, every other gun was no issue. I think it all comes down to practicing with your kit, and doing it alot, even if I was carrying the 75 I would not shy away from the release assuming It's what I trained with. But to be fair if you need to reload your carry gun shits gone wrong and if a fumble on the slide release is the diffrence it is what it is.

 

[Akran]

I am also a Marine

 

[Boney]

I never really understood this concept

After it stops the slide, you can press it and it releases the slide on basically every model of pistol that I can think of (I am sure there are some exceptions)

The difference seems to be a murky arcane path of twisted logic to make excuses for not using it. Why not say that you just don't want to because slingshotting is cooler?

In a very pedantic sense the difference is in the mechanical wear of the firearm (allegedly for most guns), according to autistic armorers. Glock labels theirs as a slide stop, which is hilarious because usually with the appropriate amount of force applied to the magazine when doing an emergency reload the slide will be sent home as soon as the mag is seated.

What Taser is arguing now (after grasping for many straws) is that muscle memory can be applied equally across platforms with the slide yank, thus, superior to train that method.

Which is basically bullshit because your EDC or duty gun is there to keep you and others alive so what the fuck are you doing worrying about your vintage B76 splits or whatever the fuck. Thats dessert for after drills.

Having a coherent and applicable philosophy is really foundational to gitting gud as a shooter. Few people ever develop or learn that wisdom and its something I want to instill in those interested.

 

[Boney]

Getting people to actually carry the guns they own even after getting their state carry license is a more realistic goal than turning Ethel and Billy into gun fighters

Firstly, the caliber of conversation in here leads me to believe the general competence and potential here isn't ethel and benny. Second, I do not understand this idea that we are going to both have a gun on us all the time, and not then want to be as good as possible with it.

What exactly is the argument for striving for mediocrity? I'm not a Grand Master or SOF or anything, but why would I not want to learn all I could from them?

(SOF mentioned, big hairy retards pictured. They don't all shit up bad podcasts I promise.)