Mega Rad Gun Thread

I love me a good wheelgun. There's just something about the classics that I really appreciate.

Here's my question. If 5 round snubbies exist for the sake of smaller dimensions to make concealed carry easier, why not a 4 round cylinder?

Surely losing a whole round of .357Magnum/ .38 Special would allow you to make an even more concealable revolver?

Hell, make one in .45acp and give it moon clips for reloading. I'd happily buy one as a backup to my G21 EDC. It would even be a great carry piece on the occasions where I don't feel like carrying my Block and 3 reloads.
 
ChampFantana said:
I love me a good wheelgun. There's just something about the classics that I really appreciate.

Here's my question. If 5 round snubbies exist for the sake of smaller dimensions to make concealed carry easier, why not a 4 round cylinder?

Surely losing a whole round of .357Magnum/ .38 Special would allow you to make an even more concealable revolver?

Hell, make one in .45acp and give it moon clips for reloading. I'd happily buy one as a backup to my G21 EDC. It would even be a great carry piece on the occasions where I don't feel like carrying my Block and 3 reloads.
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because the small revolvers have always had 5 rounds. the 1849 pocket model Colt, also called the pocket dragoon was 5 shot. the first modern revolver, the Colt paterson also had 5 shots.

it's so established now that a reduction to 4 would be poor marketing.
 
ChampFantana said:
Here's my question. If 5 round snubbies exist for the sake of smaller dimensions to make concealed carry easier, why not a 4 round cylinder?
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I think the answer lies in geometry. Looking at this shitty clipart image, how much space do you actually save, trying to fit four bores in a cylinder instead of five?

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I think there's a reason why four round capacity is derringer territory.
 
AGPinochet said:
Bullpup AK-12
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Wicked Tactics forward charging system



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Liho Tactical Kit on it's own


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Russian Bullpup SKS
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Pembleton & Sons presents the "Glonkout", A safety for your Glock


Tavor FRT by this guy named D-lahhh on reddit


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Shadow-41 Bullpup Saiga-9
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Vietnamese 7.62x39 M16 conversion
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PKT Conversion
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PKZ-T with a collection of barrels belonging to the 12th Legion: World Eaters Russian Forces
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Swiss integrally suppressed .50 possibly chambered in proprietary subsonic cartridge
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Prototype detent delayed VZ.61
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Craft made 14.5mm AMR and STG-44 Concreted into a monument in terrorist controlled Syria
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DP using Hotchkiss style flexible feed strip
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Sten with foregrip in the 60's, in either the Netherlands or Belgium
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Coincidentally I just happened to be thinking about a suppressed Maxim the other day



Both Tippman and B&T have partnered with Rare Greed Niggers to offer firearms with factory equipped FRT's
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sodomy lifestyle said:
I think the answer lies in geometry. Looking at this shitty clipart image, how much space do you actually save, trying to fit four bores in a cylinder instead of five?

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I think there's a reason why four round capacity is derringer territory.
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some of the pepperbox pistols had 4 shots. The sharps pepperbox had 4 barrels in .38 rimfire and was quite popular for it's time and bunches were made. small too. smaller even than a modern J frame. compared to it's .38RF revolver competition it was tiny.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
some of the pepperbox pistols had 4 shots. The sharps pepperbox had 4 barrels in .38 rimfire and was quite popular for it's time and bunches were made. small too. smaller even than a modern J frame. compared to it's .38RF revolver competition it was tiny.
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A pepperbox doesn't have a rod that has to fit in between all the chambers.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
some of the pepperbox pistols had 4 shots. The sharps pepperbox had 4 barrels in .38 rimfire and was quite popular for it's time and bunches were made. small too. smaller even than a modern J frame. compared to it's .38RF revolver competition it was tiny.
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You do mean a revolving pepperbox and not a derringer, yes? Can you get me an image, because all I can find are four-barrel derringer models. I did find a random four barrel pepperbox, and it shows the issue I was getting at:

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Notice the mass between the bores. I suppose the center pin can be slimmed down to bring the bores closer together, but at some point you no longer have the space for a ratchet mechanism and have to turn the cylinder by hand. Might work on a pepperbox, but not on a revolver where I'd have to put my hand uncomfortably close to the forcing cone.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
it does in fact if it is a revolving pepperbox, which were very common in the first half of the 1800s
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Ok, my understanding is that a pepperbox is not a derringer, the latter having a non-rotating array of barrels. The Wikipedia definition looks similar...

The pepper-box pistol or simply pepperbox (also "pepper-pot", from its resemblance to the household pepper shakers) is a multiple-barrel firearm, mostly in the form of a handgun, that has three or more gun barrels each holding a single shot. The barrels are fired in sequence by a rotating firing mechanism or, more typically, by rotating the entire barrel assembly to bring each barrel in line with a single lock or hammer, similar to the rotation of a revolver's cylinder.
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... but later the article starts to talk about derringers anyway.
 
sodomy lifestyle said:
Ok, my understanding is that a pepperbox is not a derringer, the latter having a non-rotating array of barrels. The Wikipedia definition looks similar...



... but later the article starts to talk about derringers anyway.
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some later period derringers like the sharps and even later the COP .357 and the lancaster 4 barrel howdah pistols are pepperbox guns. The hammer/firing pin itself rotates instead of the barrels which allows sights to be fixed to the barrel for aiming.

Over the last 100 years the term "derringer" has come to cover all pocket pistols that are not traditional revolvers.

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Romulus augustulus said:
some later period derringers like the sharps and even later the COP .357 and the lancaster 4 barrel howdah pistols are pepperbox guns. The hammer/firing pin itself rotates instead of the barrels which allows sights to be fixed to the barrel for aiming.

Over the last 100 years the term "derringer" has come to cover all pocket pistols that are not traditional revolvers.
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You are correct in the sense that the Wiki definition covers both rotating barrel array and rotating firing pin designs, the latter allowing fixed barrels. I believe carrying four rounds in a fixed array like the COP .357 makes more sense than a four-round cylinder revolver.
 
sodomy lifestyle said:
You are correct in the sense that the Wiki definition covers both rotating barrel array and rotating firing pin designs, the latter allowing fixed barrels. I believe carrying four rounds in a fixed array like the COP .357 makes more sense than a four-round cylinder revolver.
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Absolutely agree. I think 5 rounds should be the minimum for an actual revolver, and if you're going to go down to 4 it should be something like the COP 357. I wish someone would come out with a new version of it, work out the kinks that some of them were known to have, maybe even offer an option for a polymer frame for lighter weight for customers who desire that, but generally update it to make it more in line with modern offerings. Definitely put better sights on it. I think it would make for a great little concealed carry gun. Always thought the COP 357 was a neat little gun.
 
sodomy lifestyle said:
I don't know why I need to bring this up, but Hoplopfheil has weird eyebrows. Screencap from this clip
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They've always been like that, its some inside joke people ask about anytime he streams.

Related, if you want to feel old, in his most recent video he says hes almost 40 y/o. IIrc hes a couple years older than Lucas and near a decade older than Brandon Herrera.
 
The Dude said:
Absolutely agree. I think 5 rounds should be the minimum for an actual revolver, and if you're going to go down to 4 it should be something like the COP 357. I wish someone would come out with a new version of it, work out the kinks that some of them were known to have, maybe even offer an option for a polymer frame for lighter weight for customers who desire that, but generally update it to make it more in line with modern offerings. Definitely put better sights on it. I think it would make for a great little concealed carry gun. Always thought the COP 357 was a neat little gun.
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it'd be a job for Bond Arms or N.A.A. make it with interchangeable barrels like a T/C contender and you would have a winner i feel. 9mm barrels, .38, .45 .357, 5.56, .410 whatever would fit.
 
AGPinochet said:
Both Tippman and B&T have partnered with Rare Greed Niggers to offer firearms with factory equipped FRT's
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all it takes is a single glowop shooting with one of these and they'll turn into a moral panic and get banned (probably along with a bunch of other unrelated shit too)
 
Romulus augustulus said:
it'd be a job for Bond Arms or N.A.A. make it with interchangeable barrels like a T/C contender and you would have a winner i feel. 9mm barrels, .38, .45 .357, 5.56, .410 whatever would fit.
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Make sure they have ejectors that actually pop the spent cartridges out of their chambers all the way, and not just extractors that merely lift them out a short way have have to be pulled all the way out by hand. It would probably have to use a double action only trigger since it would have one of those rotating hammer assemblies that rotates from firing pin to firing pin, but this would be a hold-out or backup gun and not a target pistol, so it would be a fair tradeoff. Plus it would mean if you have a hard primer that fails to go off the first time, you get another try when you fire off the other three cartridges and pull the trigger a fifth time. It would be one of the few handguns that would actually make sense to carry in one of those pocket holsters/slips IMHO since it would be much more sleek and compact than even a snubbie revolver.

Another cool old compact self-defense handgun that I'd love to see someone make again would be the Semerling 45. It was a compact, manually operated, magazine-fed handgun about the size of a snubnose revolver or some super small .32 or .380 sub-compacts. It looked like an automatic, but instead of a slide that operated automatically under recoil, it had a slide-like mechanism that slid FORWARD to eject the spent cartridge, then slide backwards to chamber the next round. You operated it with the edge of your thumb with your off-hand. They were .45 ACP, because the guy who designed them wanted something compact enough to carry in a pocket, but still a proven man-stopper. They were made from very high quality tool steel, and only made in small numbers. A very interesting piece of carry gun history.
 
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