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Truman the Jewman said:
Does anyone have any experience with Remington 740/760/7600 rifles? I see them on Simpson's cheap as hell all the time, just seems like something neat to pick up when I've got the extra cash. I know .308 and .30-06 aren't the cheapest these days...
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Hey, hows it hangin' esse?

IDK if this was ever fixed in the later post 700+ series, the Remington 700 was famous for shooting very well right out of the box for decades. There was some "SIG P320 shit" that did have actual merit. Merit it terms of at least one person died on record and one LEO designated marksman had a non intentional discharge. IDK if this was changed in the 740 and on series. The issue was the safety was not a true safety the OG engineer who designed the FCG kept telling Remington to call it a "Disconnecter" a more accurate term. Allegedly some dirt /grit /fouling created two issues that were clearly repeatable. Engaging the saftey dropped the striker and opening the action to eject a live round both lead to unexpected firing. There are videos floating around of some PD fucking with what looks like a 2000's manufacture Rem 700 poking the bolt handle and it firing every time to prove it was not field capable for SWAT or something IDK.

As all things are I'm sure this was eventually quietly fixed, how, when, what models? Dunno.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
IDK if this was changed in the 740 and on series.
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The 700 is a bolt action, the 740 is semi-auto and the 760 is a pump action. Completely different.
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Troon_Patrol said:
Hey, hows it hangin' esse?

IDK if this was ever fixed in the later post 700+ series, the Remington 700 was famous for shooting very well right out of the box for decades. There was some "SIG P320 shit" that did have actual merit. Merit it terms of at least one person died on record and one LEO designated marksman had a non intentional discharge. IDK if this was changed in the 740 and on series. The issue was the safety was not a true safety the OG engineer who designed the FCG kept telling Remington to call it a "Disconnecter" a more accurate term. Allegedly some dirt /grit /fouling created two issues that were clearly repeatable. Engaging the saftey dropped the striker and opening the action to eject a live round both lead to unexpected firing. There are videos floating around of some PD fucking with what looks like a 2000's manufacture Rem 700 poking the bolt handle and it firing every time to prove it was not field capable for SWAT or something IDK.

As all things are I'm sure this was eventually quietly fixed, how, when, what models? Dunno.
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It’s one of the things that bankrupted Remington in 2017. They settled a class action and were going to be on the hook to fix something like 10+ million rifles or reimburse for aftermarket triggers that were bought to fix the problem.
 
Romulus augustulus said:
what?
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I''m having trouble keeping track here. You said the Short barrel gains of .300BLK were overrated VS the traditional 5.56 in? Am I recalling this right? Something about MV not reaching threshold for max nose deformation/maximum expansion /wounding. You said something of the sort?

So your pill of choice is a 300 grain 45 Dia cannonball, Yes? IIRC you like lever actions so I'm guessing this 300 grain wad is coming from a 45-70?

am I on track here, so far?

As I mentioned 93' field reports from Mogadishu talk about 5.56 slipping through, no tumbling no spawling. Shit just happens.

My opinion is buy whatever marketing you believe in. Here's some possible bullshit, possible magic bullet marketing from 300 blackout peanut gallery.

200 grains ALLEGEDLY rocking at around 850 FPS and it turns in a death banana. I believe this a guarantee and typical results? fuck no. Even the premo pistol 9mm JHPs we all pay out the as for get clogged with clothing and never expand like make ballistic gel marketing test results.
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SO, as I recall you mentioned the step up from 5.56 to .300BLK 125 grain or subs was a step lower in lethality? I don't put words in peoples mouths, it's like we have a failure to communicate.


Also, are you actually using a lever gun in 45-70 to smoke the bad guys if called upon? I'm sure John Wayne Approves, I'm sticking with a modded M4.
 
Troon_Patrol said:
I''m having trouble keeping track here. You said the Short barrel gains of .300BLK were overrated VS the traditional 5.56 in? Am I recalling this right? Something about MV not reaching threshold for max nose deformation/maximum expansion /wounding. You said something of the sort?

So your pill of choice is a 300 grain 45 Dia cannonball, Yes? IIRC you like lever actions so I'm guessing this 300 grain wad is coming from a 45-70?

am I on track here, so far?

As I mentioned 93' field reports from Mogadishu talk about 5.56 slipping through, no tumbling no spawling. Shit just happens.

My opinion is buy whatever marketing you believe in. Here's some possible bullshit, possible magic bullet marketing from 300 blackout peanut gallery.

200 grains ALLEGEDLY rocking at around 850 FPS and it turns in a death banana. I believe this a guarantee and typical results? fuck no. Even the premo pistol 9mm JHPs we all pay out the as for get clogged with clothing and never expand like make ballistic gel marketing test results.
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SO, as I recall you mentioned the step up from 5.56 to .300BLK 125 grain or subs was a step lower in lethality? I don't put words in peoples mouths, it's like we have a failure to communicate.


Also, are you actually using a lever gun in 45-70 to smoke the bad guys if called upon? I'm sure John Wayne Approves, I'm sticking with a modded M4.
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My point was that subsonic .30 cal requires premium projectiles that use their design to expand or soft lead to get good wounding because the .300 subs do not move quick enough to create hydrostatic and hydraulic shock (~2600fps for calibers .338 and below) . it's easier and cheaper to use supersonic .30 cal projectiles since the vast majority of .30 cal projectiles are designed for higher velocities and will fail and subsonic velocities.

the fatter bullets (bore diameter, not necessarily grain weight) can achieve hydrostatic shock at lower velocity thresholds. ~2400FPS for .358, lower still for .458 and lower even still for .50 and .510 bores. So my assertion is thus: IF you must use sub-sonic bullets you should maximize bore diameter.

Also, the flatter the bullet nose the better. a flat meplat encourages faster energy transfer into the target which can mean better expansion. the humble .30-30 uses this effect to maintain great wounding despite it's relative slow velocity (~2400FPS for the common 150gr loads). downside is your BC falls through the floor.

SO, as I recall you mentioned the step up from 5.56 to .300BLK 125 grain or subs was a step lower in lethality? I don't put words in peoples mouths, it's like we have a failure to communicate.
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If your .30cal projectile is engineered for supersonic velocities, then yes, it would result in markedly poorer wounding compared to the 5.56 because of bullet failure. likely it would just make a .30cal hole in the target. unless the bullet hit any major bones or organs it would not be fatal quickly enough to be effective.
200 grains ALLEGEDLY rocking at around 850 FPS and it turns in a death banana.
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If the bullet is properly designed to expand at low velocities i have no trouble accepting it's performance.
Personally, for all practical purposes in .30cal I prefer .30-06. it will out perform all .300 blackout loads available. I'm not preparing to fight any wars except that against the wildlife, and electronic hearing protection has come along so far as to render my concerns about the report of any of my guns mute. in a self defense situation I'm not concerned about my hearing that much. It's a sacrifice I'm willing to make. In the moment you wont even hear your gun go off, I know that for a fact.

I am enticed by the subsonic .338's, for fun more than anything.

So your pill of choice is a 300 grain 45 Dia cannonball, Yes? IIRC you like lever actions so I'm guessing this 300 grain wad is coming from a 45-70?
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My 300gr .45 caliber bullet are coming from my EDC revolver, a Colt's Anaconda in .45 colt. it's a +P load comparable to .44 magnum. It gets about 1,100FPS. I'm fortunate to live in a rural area where my most likely opponent is dogs, Coy-wolves and Bears.
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what is it with boomers and bidding way too much for ammo? even when the guns are sometimes reasonably priced, the ammo is just insane. taking into account fees/tax it's usually more than just buying ammo from online retailers and having it shipped.
 
fur fag said:
what is it with boomers and bidding way too much for ammo? even when the guns are sometimes reasonably priced, the ammo is just insane. taking into account fees/tax it's usually more than just buying ammo from online retailers and having it shipped.
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it's simple as they don't do it online, I know a guy who is like a serious drive across the country competitor, he buys ammo locally and sometimes even buys pallets at a time.

It's also why gunbroker prices sometimes get weird. Boomers(or well a lot of people) don't do any research into pricing.
 
xf7ub2LMGZj%yV said:
it's simple as they don't do it online, I know a guy who is like a serious drive across the country competitor, he buys ammo locally and sometimes even buys pallets at a time.

It's also why gunbroker prices sometimes get weird. Boomers(or well a lot of people) don't do any research into pricing.
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Exactly. Boomers are technophobic retards.
 
fur fag said:
what is it with boomers and bidding way too much for ammo? even when the guns are sometimes reasonably priced, the ammo is just insane. taking into account fees/tax it's usually more than just buying ammo from online retailers and having it shipped.
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Its worse with "popular obscure" cartridges. PPU getting their PP slapped really fucked boomer viewpoints on pricing, I know a guy who bought a DK productions STG44 and he rarely shoots the thing because all 8mm kurz is ridiculously priced. The worst part is half of the shit he got is softpoint, which doesn't feed in the fucking thing.
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And yes, people will actually pay this much.

I KNOW WHAT EYE GOT SONNY, TEY DONT MAKE THIS STUFF NO MORE
 
Romulus augustulus said:
My point was that subsonic .30 cal requires premium projectiles that use their design to expand or soft lead to get good wounding because the .300 subs do not move quick enough to create hydrostatic and hydraulic shock (~2600fps for calibers .338 and below) . it's easier and cheaper to use supersonic .30 cal projectiles since the vast majority of .30 cal projectiles are designed for higher velocities and will fail and subsonic velocities.....
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Aww ok. I get it, I don't disagree. One does not a PHD a physics to see a fat guy cannonball into a swimming pool and see the resulting tidal wave. You can apply the same effect of a projectile slamming into human flesh and IMHO there's no ballistics gel or calculus necessary.

I still say if you don't like the ballistic results of slower lighter pills drop the $$$ on the fancy JHPs, Frangibles, weird polymer shit, basically whatever marketing you believe.

I'll be honest, if I were forced to choose taking 1 .300 blk subsonic FMJ 200 grain to my center mass and try to live VS your 1100 FPS 300 grain FMJ I'd get the hospital on speed dial and choose the the .300 BLK. There are just bigger factors at play. .50 Beowulf has been around for 20 years and some other failed auto loader massive grain cartridges that fit in an AR. That kind of recoil, no really effective suppressors for .45 Dia bores, I might as well just get a $300 Mossberg.

I don't disagree the 300 grains is probably the nastier thing to get hit by, they just don't take well to the AR/SBR type firearm I find extreme real world in. Decade ago I was lucky enough to play with a real deal Post '86 MP5A4. I was lucky enough to take a 45 minute crash course from an armorer/instructor of a small dept that shall be unknown. Different times, small town Police chiefs and Sheriffs were solid men back then, I digress... We practiced to some approach and fire drills and I saw why the SWAT types kept with the MP5 so long. You can just chuck lead in tight-tight groups. I have a theory that's why the SS presidential Whitehouse detail has the pussy 5.7 in use. They just want to FA spray an active threat.

I see your POV. "Hit them with fucking cannon. no immediate follows up necessary", Right? Very "Harry Callahan", I respect that my father has the same mantra. I'd rather double tap, retain my hearing and know if I missed or the threat remains I've got another 14 chances to neutralize.
 
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