Glock got big by undercutting everyone, too. Granted, they had to undercut a lot less drastically than Sig did since the gap for switching from metal framed hammer fired guns to polymer striker fired ones is a lot bigger than striker fired to striker fired. As it turns out, the only way Sig was able to undercut the competition was to outsource critical MIM parts to anyone willing to churn them out and then throwing them into an already questionable design.
I don't know how this giant clusterfuck happened. I hope one day there's a thorough explanation. Obviously one possibility is that they're a big corporation and they just don't care until the last moment when it call comes crashing down.
But if I'm trying to give them some benefit of the doubt, I would point out that every gun manufacturer (including Glock) gets reports that "OMFG I JUST WENT OFF!!!" Every dumbass that shoots himself claims it's not his fault. So every manufacturer is getting these accusations.
So the manufacturers are probably primed to deny them at first. Then when more come in, I would hope they do some kind of internal investigation. But maybe they did that and legitimately couldn't find the cause.
And when more and more reports come in, maybe they suspect it's just a case of mass hysteria. Maybe it actually is. Toyota paid out over a billion dollars when many, many people claimed their cars would just randomly accelerate on their own ...it was never true! It was all bullshit! https://www.manufacturing.net/autom...accelerator-scandal-that-wasnt-what-it-seemed
So yeah, gun manufacturers are used to idiots claiming "it just went off" - and mass hysteria is a real thing. If Sig couldn't find an issue, then that would explain their behavior.
.280 British was an actually retarded round that was never finished. I'd much rather take the most high recoil .308 than a round that cannot achieve anywhere near as much accuracy or even meet basic velocity requirements. No greasing needed in this case.
I suspect there to be fuckery afoot, two organizations within the Air Force have suspended use of the P320 but now ICE extends their contract with Sig for another two years after it was reported that they banned the P320 from service, has Sig Saar applied pressure to one of their pawns?
How do you even get rid of a 320 now if you have one? Just take a huge loss on the sale? I suppose some people arent informed, but that number probably gets smaller every day. At what point are they worthless?
I would keep it safely locked away if I was blessed to have a malfunctioning one. I would display it with other curiosities from this time period, like the .22 Zip gun.
How do you even get rid of a 320 now if you have one? Just take a huge loss on the sale? I suppose some people arent informed, but that number probably gets smaller every day. At what point are they worthless?
@The Dude
A second Vector ratatatat device has hit the market
The Karmic Tactical Big Brrt. $110, claims to work with all generations and chamberings, lifespan is at least 1k rounds and the damage that was done to the first ever tested example was claimed to be due to heat buildup
But wait, it gets even better. A heroic individual, incensed that a Latinx was selling 2c of PLA for $110 claims to have copied the (functional) design and uploaded it for free
The drama doesn't stop there however, the Meheecan behind the design came Into the thread and made a cope post saying "haha, well I'm actually not bothered at all that my overpriced design is basically free for anyonen with a 3D printer because you see you actually need more parts to make it work" (which I'm like 80% sure is a lie because in all the video materials including video of the packaged pieces there's nothing else included besides a little Vector Keychain that he describes as a "tool")
How do you even get rid of a 320 now if you have one? Just take a huge loss on the sale? I suppose some people arent informed, but that number probably gets smaller every day. At what point are they worthless?
I not only have TWO P320s (M17 and Xcarry) but I sunk a bunch of cash into an X01 and a flux raider chassis. Since a few months ago, I was really thinking of flipping them when weird stuff was coming to light about the sigtuation, but never got around to it. With the recent Sig news, my local FFL who I would use for consignment is absolutely filled with consignment P320s (obviously for outrageous asking prices). FML.
I would keep it safely locked away if I was blessed to have a malfunctioning one. I would display it with other curiosities from this time period, like the .22 Zip gun.
I got out just in time, sold mine literally a week before Sig decided to release that dumpster fire 'it ends now' PR release and had already sold off my alloy grip module separately before that. If I had it now still? I guess I'd hold on to it and see if I could get in on a class action lawsuit or see if Sig eventually is forced to do a mandatory safety recall.
So I got to monkeying around with my X-ten 320 and while I can't get it to exactly duplicate the failures online if you take up the slack and lightly press the trigger and the slide is pushed rearward, as if say you caught the front sight on your holster while holstering the gun, it does drop the striker. I haven't scrounged up any blanks so far to see if it's a hard enough impact to fire but 1 out of 5 times I got it to do this sounded like a normal dry fire the rest sounded light. Not scientific at all but it's just sitting there what was I going to do, not try and see what happens?
yep got that this morning. they separately sent an invite to online "information courses" on servicing and identification user modifications to the P320 that might make it unsafe and there's a bulleted list to go over in case agencies or departments have specific questions.
if you take up the slack and lightly press the trigger and the slide is pushed rearward, as if say you caught the front sight on your holster while holstering the gun, it does drop the striker
that happens on nearly any partially charged striker, even Glocks. the difference is the amount of rearward slide movement is needed - on a Glock there is a very narrow "window" where the slide is still forward enough to be in battery and allow the striker to be released under tension before the slide is too far to the rear to engage the striker blocking plunger safety. if the slide is too far rearward when attempting this, you get a dead trigger instead of a striker release. the P320 is held very very close to the release point on the sear and this seems to not be terribly tolerant of defects, abuse, or rough handling.
