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It's funny you bring that up, because right as we speak this very moment, some Western fan content people are basically bitching and self-soothing that other people don't like their stuff on Twitter.

Apparently they were triggered by a thread about fandom "irks," their word. Never seen that one before.

As for your exact question, you are asking about this:

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For the most avid of Rockman fans, "Hi-GO!" needs no introduction. He is one of, if not the most popular and proficient artist within...
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What would you say are the main differences between Rockman fans in Japan and overseas?

This will be a slightly complicated topic. This is but my personal impression, but I feel that Japan combines love and reliance for the works into a single thing. I felt that when talking to overseas fans.

The fans overseas feel like they’re independent in mental terms. And that they put effort into their activities. I don’t feel a bending in their minds. Like they grew up to be straightforward. Japan is the exact opposite. There’s a lot of ways to express it, but I feel like it’s little birds that open their mouths waiting for food, and they don’t grow up.

There’s many cases that their minds, when it comes to Rockman, are locked into their childhood. That can also apply to other contents that they’ve played when they were children. That they wish for it to be something constantly given to them.

On the other hand, overseas fans often take action themselves when they feel unsatisfied or there’s some new developments. A game company once told me that my style is very overseas-like. So it’d seem that a fan like me is a minority within Japan. But, I think that those who became fans when they were already adult behave a bit differently. There’s a lot of women who are spontaneously active, and leave behind some works of their own in one form or another.

They all have different contents so you can’t describe them in a single word, yet I feel you can feel some type of independence in parts of them. On the other hand, you can partly see their reliance on the characters, and the strongest aspect seems to be is that fiction is a way to escape reality. This is a trend of Japanese fiction and business by themselves, but I think there’s a trend to stop the mind from becoming an adult. Because that’s convenient for the businesses.

However, nowadays, that leads to things like selling away your memories, and I think that if your saved up memories run out, then it’s all over. At the very least, they’re not heading towards the future.
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It took me a minute to understand what they're trying to say. They're basically saying that Japanese fans do the same stuff over and over. And that is true, but pretending that this isn't also true about fans in general is silly. Inafune said the same kind of things about Japanese development and we all saw where that leads.

To close the interview, do you have a message for overseas Rockman fans that you'd like to share?

I don’t think it’ll end in a single sentence so please excuse me for that. As you already assume, I appreciate you guys a lot. If the current Japanese status continues I’m afraid that the culture of Rockman in Japan will eventually decay. Why? Because they don’t think of making an archive of it, of the culture. They think that Capcom will eventually do that.

But, the reality is different. Apart from me, nowadays contents makers have the habit of reading Wikipedia too. So the precision in which the culture remains is up to the activities of the fans. The overseas fans have contributed a lot to achieving that, so I think that if this form keeps on, it will be preserved for the future.

However, the current state of Rockman in Japan is complicated. I fear that the Japanese Rockman culture will be lost, since the creator intent is what stands out at the utmost. I guess everyone thinks that “you only need to remember it for yourself”. That’s already stepped up to a stage in which that won’t suffice, and that a way to preserve the works for the future generations is needed.

I hope someone can provide advice on what could be done to achieve that.
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This is referencing how a lot of Japanese fans are on Twitter and don't put their stuff anywhere else that resembles an archive site. They don't tag it so it's impossible for people who don't know them to find it, and I get a sense this is done on purpose, possibly to restrict it to Japanese fans.
 
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X Prime said:
It's funny you bring that up, because right as we speak this very moment, some Western fan content people are basically bitching and self-soothing that other people don't like their stuff on Twitter.

Apparently they were triggered by a thread about fandom "irks," their word. Never seen that one before.

As for your exact question, you are asking about this:

www.rockman-corner.com

An Interview With <i>Rockman</i> Artist Hi-GO!

For the most avid of Rockman fans, "Hi-GO!" needs no introduction. He is one of, if not the most popular and proficient artist within...
www.rockman-corner.com www.rockman-corner.com



It took me a minute to understand what they're trying to say. They're basically saying that Japanese fans do the same stuff over and over. And that is true, but pretending that this isn't also true about fans in general is silly. Inafune said the same kind of things about Japanese development and we all saw where that leads.



This is referencing how a lot of Japanese fans are on Twitter and don't put their stuff anywhere else that resembles an archive site. They don't tag it so it's impossible for people who don't know them to find it, and I get a sense this is done on purpose, possibly to restrict it to Japanese fans.
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Regarding that last bit, I suspect it has to do with the perceived lack of respect for Japanese fan artists. In the early to mid-2000s some fandoms, artists have stopped posting because fans outside of Japan repost their work without permission and without credit. Some fans get particularly MATI when they see other people doing this, which is dumb because I think a lot of younger (and more casual) fans don't bother to look at the Japanese websites, so without any credit or visible signature, people aren't going to know the history of that particular artist. Considering Pixiv was only a year or so old at this point and most of the content originated on the artists' own websites, the source of the art would be way harder to find if there was no source or signature on the image.


I don't know if that's still true in 2023, but I definitely saw a lot of it in 2006 in the Yugioh fandom.
 
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Regarding that last bit, I suspect it has to do with the perceived lack of respect for Japanese fan artists. In the early to mid-2000s some fandoms, artists have stopped posting because fans outside of Japan repost their work without permission and without credit. Some fans get particularly MATI when they see other people doing this, which is dumb because I think a lot of younger (and more casual) fans don't bother to look at the Japanese websites, so without any credit or visible signature, people aren't going to know the history of that particular artist. Considering Pixiv was only a year or so old at this point and most of the content originated on the artists' own websites, the source of the art would be way harder to find if there was no source or signature on the image.

I don't know if that's still true in 2023, but I definitely saw a lot of it in 2006 in the Yugioh fandom.
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Yeah, this sounds accurate. A lot of this stuff is hard to find unless you use a browser plugin to search by image on various search engines because now, it's mostly posted on Twitter and almost immediately lost to the mists of time if you don't follow the artist's account. I recall a couple instances where people nuked their Twitters over Musk's takeover and there goes all that.

Honestly though, people just save stuff to their hard drives. Do people think they're gonna keep some silly text document saying who did what?

It's just silly.
 
X Prime said:
Yeah, this sounds accurate. A lot of this stuff is hard to find unless you use a browser plugin to search by image on various search engines because now, it's mostly posted on Twitter and almost immediately lost to the mists of time if you don't follow the artist's account. I recall a couple instances where people nuked their Twitters over Musk's takeover and there goes all that.

Honestly though, people just save stuff to their hard drives. Do people think they're gonna keep some silly text document saying who did what?

It's just silly.
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I feel like it's not quite as bad since sites like pixiv and booru were created, which act as aggregators, with the latter usually including the artist source. It helps to eliminate some of the hostile interactions with people who have been in the fandoms too long and have no patience for oblivious youngsters.
 
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X Prime said:
Possibly to restrict it to Japanese fans.
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That is exactly why they do it.

Super Guido said:
I feel like it's not quite as bad since sites like pixiv and booru were created, which act as aggregators, with the latter usually including the artist source. It helps to eliminate some of the hostile interactions with people who have been in the fandoms too long and have no patience for oblivious youngsters.
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Its still funny how in my experience with the fandom, they are retarded enough to think nationality = race when mentioning Taicom and any criticism of X Dive.
 
That's because, alongside fujoshis, there's a lot of very loud troons in the fandom. And I don't think I need to say that most things in those two categories lean rabid left.
 
That makes a lot of things make more sense.

Its also probably why every forum or site that i’ve come across for Megaman is dead. Though most of them were older than the farms so real life and loss of interest must have happened there.

Twitter is too astroturfed to hell for any actual discussion to happen and Seriously doubt half of these artists have 200k-2M+ actual followers with no engagement.
 
You basically have two camps.

One, the people who are actually into the games themselves. This is subdivided into relatively normal people and autistics of various stripes. The first subgroup is pretty quiet, and the second are loud. It's like Sonic fans - you have normal ones, most are probably not insane, but they're just not loud or visible.

Two, the people who are solely into the series because they found some character to fit into their kinks. This means fujoshis, troons, pedos, LGBT persons in general, people who only talk about shipping. Usually also autistic, and I mean this literally.
 
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ViA is a close second behind Erato, I feel. Horrible color scheme for a palette swap. If they're gonna do it, at least make the colors look good together; his skin tone is a terrible shade of blue given everything else.
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I remembered this post after finding out about this. Normally I would not double post, but for this I will make an exception.

You thought ViA was bad before, do tell us what you think of his final(?) boss form.

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X Prime said:
I remembered this post after finding out about this. Normally I would not double post, but for this I will make an exception.

You thought ViA was bad before, do tell us what you think of his final(?) boss form.

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he's like a x2 x1 armor mix while also having a awful purple-pinkish aura, doesn't bode well just saying.
also a kiwi's gotta doublepost at least once in life. not to mention that dear feeder added a 60 time frame for you to edit your post, past that you can't do it anymore thanks to sleeper faggot agents from keen kefferls & dilation frenemies
 
X Prime said:
I remembered this post after finding out about this. Normally I would not double post, but for this I will make an exception.

You thought ViA was bad before, do tell us what you think of his final(?) boss form.

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He reminds me of those old Bandai Model kits and that Cardass game series I only learned about so recently. It's kinda cheesy and extravagant, but it does it Megaman style, so I think it's cool.

Megaman's fan base has seriously soured over the last decade. I swear there are so many asshurt basement dwellers angry Capcom isn't making Megaman at the moment, and that it's slowly been invaded by euphoric atheists, fedoralords who think they're hot shit on their high school/college robotics teams, and dysphoric "high taste elite" hobby ruining asshole retro fans. MM Wikia has also been invaded by said asshats as well.
 
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Megaman's fan base has seriously soured over the last decade. I swear there are so many asshurt basement dwellers angry Capcom isn't making Megaman at the moment, and that it's slowly been invaded by euphoric atheists, fedoralords who think they're hot shit on their high school/college robotics teams, and dysphoric "high taste elite" hobby ruining asshole retro fans. MM Wikia has also been invaded by said asshats as well.
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Undeniably true. There's multiple vinyl records of Legends music.

I'd rather have those than the coomers though, honestly.
 
X Prime said:
I remembered this post after finding out about this. Normally I would not double post, but for this I will make an exception.

You thought ViA was bad before, do tell us what you think of his final(?) boss form.

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His skin isn't a dark blue anymore, which was probably my biggest gripe with his design.

I'm pretty sure there have been semi-official works without his helmet, but I don't remember which manga it was in. I want to say it was the "X5 if" one but I could be wrong.

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Undeniably true. There's multiple vinyl records of Legends music.

I'd rather have those than the coomers though, honestly.
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The pedos and yaoi fangirls are inescapable.
 
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So while we're nerding out, I had a thought.

If the X series had good writing, when do you think both sides will just go race war on the other? I thought about it, and realized that while Wily was crazy, jealous, and power hungry, Light was sad, overly hopeful, and naive. any sense of optimism he had was just utterly proven wrong by every single event in the series. The man was so desparate for a family that his desire for peaceful racial unity was completely at odds with what the general public wanted, and by the time he built X, he seemed to have just realized that too little too late.

I bring this up because I remembered the Battle Network timeline, and it made me laugh that the only time his dreams of human/AI coexistence came true was when he got his dick wet and had actual kids.
 
GigantorUnitron said:
So while we're nerding out, I had a thought.

If the X series had good writing, when do you think both sides will just go race war on the other? I thought about it, and realized that while Wily was crazy, jealous, and power hungry, Light was sad, overly hopeful, and naive. any sense of optimism he had was just utterly proven wrong by every single event in the series. The man was so desparate for a family that his desire for peaceful racial unity was completely at odds with what the general public wanted, and by the time he built X, he seemed to have just realized that too little too late.

I bring this up because I remembered the Battle Network timeline, and it made me laugh that the only time his dreams of human/AI coexistence came true was when he got his dick wet and had actual kids.
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If you're specifically going in the direction of a Reploid vs Human race war, it could have started as early as the second game, but the way it goes would be dependent on who is writing it and how they interpret the characters. I think Ariga has a more sympathetic view of Dr. Wily compared to say, whoever wrote the Ruby-Spears cartoon.

Scratch that, X Prime is right.

The line from the Ruby-Spears cartoon that goes "If Dr. Light hadn't invented robots, none of this would have happened!" isn't entirely wrong imo.
 
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The problem was that the writers deliberately chose to take out all humans starting in X4. It's why Cain disappeared.

So it'd have to be X4 at the earliest.

As an aside, someone mentioned earlier that there should have been chips or whatever to make Reploids go Maverick. Before I forget to mention this, that actually happened in X2 - the opening stage in there is actually a factory for making the Sigma Chip. It's just none of that is ingame.
 
It's apparently mentioned in an X2 prologue in the Legacy Collection.
 
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when he got his dick wet and had actual kids.
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BN light only shows that X light is the equivalent of cat lady but with robots.

X Prime said:
It's apparently mentioned in an X2 prologue in the Legacy Collection.
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you mean it was rectonned in some other bit of media, because that specific "go maverick at will" chipshit only surges in X8 with lumine, soul fragments/chipshit starts on xtreme then they double down on x6 where gate finds a part of zero's dna and gets infected,.

megaman x2 legacy collection intro is the same as snes with the same nice music.
 
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