💬 Off-Topic Medical Sperging - Physical and Mental Health Speculation. "You always play psychologist with us!"

[Shhisaidshh]

It won't be fine in a weightloss surgery program even if it is legal in Canada. The issue isn't whether she vaped it or ingests it...the issue is that she uses it. That's not okay in a WLS program. There are all kinds of reasons surgeons come up with for why certain things or behaviours are exclusions to surgery, from physical issues that might result (e.g pouch damage) to pyschological reasons (e.g transfer addiction which is a huge issue after WLS). I wasn't being morally judgemental when I said it was an issue for her, I was just being pragmatic by stating it's an exclusion...and one she'll be tested for should she even make it to a point beyond the initial screening of referrals.



Surgeons don't plan open surgeries for weightloss anymore, unless they are revisional or cancer surgeries...even then they'll try the laprascopic route before converting. If she were to have surgery it will be laprascopic unless the surgeon runs into other issues (e.g. adhesions from prior abdominal surgeries) that require conversion to open surgery. If they consider her abdomen too big for the equipment they have, they'll just make weightloss a precondition. Sure her male pattern visceral fat is a very real consideration for surgeons, which is why they won't even attempt her surgery until she gets herself into a state where they can operate laprascopically. These days surgeons have the option to use an Obera Balloon if a patient needs desperate intervention but is too unhealthy still for WLS. They generally don't publicise it because it's very expensive and a short term fix only, but it is an option that can be safely utilised on patients whose visceral fat prevents laprascopic techniques being used, or those whose current state of health makes general anesthesia too risky.

Every surgical program is different. There are programs both in the US and Canada that prohibit MJ usage as well as allow it. It’s actually more likely to be approved within Canada due to the status of the legality of MJ. In the US, it’s usually up to the insurance company as to whether they require a clean UDS.

I think Chantal has early onset Dementia. A recent preclinical study in mice indicated that liver inflammation caused by NAFLD may lead to an activation of microglial cells in the brain and may induce neuronal apoptosis, which results in signs of Alzheimer's disease .
Also the non-compliance with her CPAP machine.
Lack of oxygen during sleep interferes with memory formation, blood pressure regulation, and weight control. Untreated apnea is associated with increased risk for dementia, stroke or heart attack.
The lack of restraint with the picking, belching, sniffing, farting ,touching her fat deposits cross a line of behavior of socialization often displayed in Dementia patients. She exhibits all of the signs and symptoms of Frontotemporal Dementia. She is in serious trouble.

Frontotemporal Dementia​

Neuropsychiatric Symptoms in FTD​

Neuropsychiatric symptoms are common in dementias overall, but they are a true hallmark of bvFTD since they are inaugural and predominant throughout most of the disease, until the final loss of independence in activities of daily living. Since they usually precede the cognitive symptoms, failure to recognize the early stage of illness is the most troublesome aspect reported by carers [8]. Psychiatrists are often consulted first, and a third to a half of the patients receive a psychiatric diagnosis (e.g., depression, bipolar disorder, schizophreniform psychosis, depression with obsessive-compulsive feature, or alcohol dependence with hypomanic features), although “atypical” features are usually documented [9–11]. There is indeed a syndromic overlap between FTD and psychiatric disorders that may appear in late adulthood [12]. When dementia has become conspicuous and a neurodegenerative process is no longer in doubt, personality and behavioral changes can differentiate FTD from AD, even when described by a relative, years after the patient’s death [13]. A
Behavioral/cognitive symptoms of bvFTD [16]

Early behavioral disinhibition​	One of these symptoms must be present:​
Socially inappropriate behavior​
Loss of manners or decorum​
Impulsive rash or careless actions​
Early apathy or inertia​	One of these symptoms must be present:​
Apathy​
Dementia​
Early loss of sympathy or empathy​	One of these symptoms must be present:​
Diminished response to other people’s need and feelings​
Diminished social interest, interrelatedness, or personal warmth​
Early perseverative, stereotyped, or compulsive/ritualistic behavior​	One of these symptoms must be present:​
Simple repetitive movements​
Complex compulsive or ritualistic behaviors​
Stereotypy of speech​
Hyperorality and dietary changes​	One of these symptoms must be present:​
Altered food preferences​
Binge eating, increased consumption of alcohol or cigarettes​
Oral exploration or consumption of inedible objects​
Neuropsychological profile: executive/generation deficits with relative sparing of memory and visuospatial functions​	All of these symptoms must be present:​
Deficit in executive tasks​
Relative sparing of episodic memory​
Relative sparing of visuospatial skills​

Uh, no. She has borderline personality disorder.

 

[Sweetpeaa]

My theory is that Chantal has FAS. Her Mom got pregnant with her at 17 and was from a white trash town, the odds of alcohol exposure in the womb at any point of the pregnancy were high. Her sister has a mild disability a well though it was never specifically defined. I think both of these girls were afflicted though Chantal would never admit it.

 

[Chantal's Therapist]

We all know Chantal is a narcissist ! This is so well explained

 

[beanbag in a hurry]

My theory is that Chantal has FAS. Her Mom got pregnant with her at 17 and was from a white trash town, the odds of alcohol exposure in the womb at any point of the pregnancy were high. Her sister has a mild disability a well though it was never specifically defined. I think both of these girls were afflicted though Chantal would never admit it.

Can we stop with this FAS carpet bombing over every cow ever?
FAS occurs at a rate of 0.2 to 1.5 per 1000 children, calm down.

 

[Pizza Steve]

Based on my experience with deathfats, druggies and combinations of the 2, this is what I think will happen to Chantal:
I think the first real serious medical emergency she'll have (and no not cheese-mergency) is she'll randomly develop haematemesis or melena. My reasoning for this is she's gotta be in chronic pain, no way she isn't with all the shit going on with her body. Possibly she's using too much NSAIDs, or from her random binge drinking she's suddenly showing on camera (not that she'd admit it because it isn't what cool girls do). As well as not caring for her diet and using lots of recreational drugs. These two conditions are life threatening and require emergency surgery. I do not believe anything that is currently going on with her liver will send her first to the ED because a lot of people don't have symptoms of liver problems until they get to stage 3 liver damage - cirrhosis (the first 2 stages being hepatitis and fibrosis which is what I believe Chantal is currently at right now). If she progresses into liver cirrhosis, that is where the fun begins.

There is no cure for liver cirrhosis, you can only manage the symptoms and stop it from progressing. When you get to this stage you have a very high risk of eventually developing liver failure and/or liver cancer. How sick is yet to be determined because it also depends on whether or not she will be compensated or decompensated liver cirrhosis. Decompensated cirrhosis is the bad one that'll kill you quicker as scaring blocks the portal vein and causes portal hypertension causing conditions such as varices and ascites (some of you ladies have seen that tiktok going around with the woman with a hugely distended stomach called by ascites from alcoholic liver cirrhosis).

I honestly believe the liver disease will be what kills her in the end. That or a car accident from driving under the influence. I kinda hope she live streams that one...

 

[Old Toad]

This is to throw my few cents into the Tourette's discussion that is currently clogging up the other thread. This isn't ground breaking but I want to reiterate Chantal does have Tourette's. She has both physical and verbal tics that have been documented for years. This is coming from someone who has a family member with a more pronounced case of Tourette's than Chantal's.

Some people may be wondering why she hasn't been ticking so much lately, or showing those weird cluster tics you sometimes see for a few seconds. Imo, it's because of the drug use. Now, high thc strains are shown to decrease ticking in some... which would explain the lack of tics in her streams where she's constantly smoking weed. But I also believe the other stuff she's taking, especially the coke, would trigger them more. In my limited experience, I've noticed that the cluster tics that look like a mini stroke, usually come when the person is in high stress and hasn't dealt with the shit that caused the stress. I think this is what's happening to Guntal.

 

[ImJustJokingGuys]

I'm convinced she has some kind of retardation or fetal alcohol syndrome, or something. She has such an odd shape, such short stubby fingers, even for a short person, and a weird head shape. She never, ever learns from her mistakes like most people do as they mature. There is some missing gene or something. That combined with her narc and not giving two shits about anyone else, is a super winning combination.

I mentioned her having FAS earlier in the thread, which causes developmental issues. Unchecked FAS that has developed into a super morbidly obese cluster of personality disorders makes a lot of sense in my mind. Her face is bloated from food so it might mask some of the usual symptoms like a flattened mid-face and underdeveloped jaw buuuut, here's an example of an adult with diagnosed FAS:

The article makes for a good read, the behaviours in it are similar to what we see from Chinsand FAS describes Chins really well: https://www.theguardian.com/society...alcoholic-living-with-foetal-alcohol-syndrome

Some pertinent paragraphs from the article that remind me of Chins:

Spoiler

Stella and I arrange to meet at her friend’s flat, and she arrives two hours late, hugely apologetic that she forgot all about it. She tells me she has struggled with timekeeping all her life. Articulate and thoughtful, she gives no real indication of having the disorder, aside from occasionally trailing off and losing her train of thought, asking, “What was I just saying there?” But she describes how catastrophically her life has been affected by the legacy of her mother’s drinking.

She took to researching the condition online. “It described things that made sense,” Stella says. “All my life, things had been happening to me, and it was suddenly explained. I’m not good with organisation, bills, day-to-day things. I can’t read and write. I’m not good at maths. I’d had these problems and I didn’t know why.” She has never had a job and wonders if she would manage. “I want everything to be simple. If it isn’t, my head feels scattered. I can’t focus. I can’t concentrate.”

Stella thinks she can identify in herself the facial characteristics that sometimes go with the condition (although they are not discernible to others, or me; she looks lovely). But, she says, “It is more mental. I am not capable of doing things. I was hyperactive when I was young. I never listened. I got picked on a lot at primary school; there was a lot of spiteful behaviour"

General symptoms spoilered below for those who are unaware:

Spoiler

• organ defects
• bone growth issues
• flattened philtrum (groove in the upper lip)
• smaller head circumference
• smaller than normal eye openings
• small or absent palpebral fissures (the space between the corner of the eye closest to the nose)
• thinner upper lip
• low and short nose bridge
• flattened cheekbones
• small jaw

Chantal has a weird jaw shape, if you look at the angle of her bottom lip it curves in sharply then outward into her chin. I think her fat is masking the fact that her jaw is really underdeveloped. She has jaw issues with the clicking afterall. I've outlined in red roughly where it looks like her jaw would actually be in line with her first chin groove and where her sideburns appear to stop:

Sorry for the medical sperg.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

I mentioned her having FAS earlier in the thread, which causes developmental issues. Unchecked FAS that has developed into a super morbidly obese cluster of personality disorders makes a lot of sense in my mind. Her face is bloated from food so it might mask some of the usual symptoms like a flattened mid-face and underdeveloped jaw buuuut, here's an example of an adult with diagnosed FAS:

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The article makes for a good read, the behaviours in it are similar to what we see from Chinsand FAS describes Chins really well: https://www.theguardian.com/society...alcoholic-living-with-foetal-alcohol-syndrome

Some pertinent paragraphs from the article that remind me of Chins:

Spoiler

Stella and I arrange to meet at her friend’s flat, and she arrives two hours late, hugely apologetic that she forgot all about it. She tells me she has struggled with timekeeping all her life. Articulate and thoughtful, she gives no real indication of having the disorder, aside from occasionally trailing off and losing her train of thought, asking, “What was I just saying there?” But she describes how catastrophically her life has been affected by the legacy of her mother’s drinking.

She took to researching the condition online. “It described things that made sense,” Stella says. “All my life, things had been happening to me, and it was suddenly explained. I’m not good with organisation, bills, day-to-day things. I can’t read and write. I’m not good at maths. I’d had these problems and I didn’t know why.” She has never had a job and wonders if she would manage. “I want everything to be simple. If it isn’t, my head feels scattered. I can’t focus. I can’t concentrate.”

Stella thinks she can identify in herself the facial characteristics that sometimes go with the condition (although they are not discernible to others, or me; she looks lovely). But, she says, “It is more mental. I am not capable of doing things. I was hyperactive when I was young. I never listened. I got picked on a lot at primary school; there was a lot of spiteful behaviour"

General symptoms spoilered below for those who are unaware:

Spoiler

• organ defects
• bone growth issues
• flattened philtrum (groove in the upper lip)
• smaller head circumference
• smaller than normal eye openings
• small or absent palpebral fissures (the space between the corner of the eye closest to the nose)
• thinner upper lip
• low and short nose bridge
• flattened cheekbones
• small jaw

Chantal has a weird jaw shape, if you look at the angle of her bottom lip it curves in sharply then outward into her chin. I think her fat is masking the fact that her jaw is really underdeveloped. She has jaw issues with the clicking afterall. I've outlined in red roughly where it looks like her jaw would actually be in line with her first chin groove and where her sideburns appear to stop:
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Sorry for the medical sperg.

I don't disagree. I made a very similar case a couple of years ago. For some reason, it's really controversial around here (or it was at the time) and people reject it.

It's very strange, given that we speculate on all sorts of physical and metal issues, but people get very touchy about FAS in this thread. As if it's impossible that a teenage girl who's already troubled enough to be having unprotected sex (allegedly with the intention of trapping her boyfriend with a baby) might not also drink underage and not be super responsible in general about what kind of chemicals she's exposing her fetus to. Chantal ticks about 70-80% of the boxes for FAS, and that's without a proper clinical assessment. And as you say, her hyper morbid obesity is probably masking some of the signs.

Maybe people don't want there to be something "actually wrong" with Chantal because her just being shitty makes it easier for them to hate her. As if people with FAS can't be good or shitty people with or without their condition.

But yeah, good post. Very thorough.

 

[ImJustJokingGuys]

I don't disagree. I made a very similar case a couple of years ago. For some reason, it's really controversial around here (or it was at the time) and people reject it.

It's very strange, given that we speculate on all sorts of physical and metal issues, but people get very touchy about FAS in this thread. As if it's impossible that a teenage girl who's already troubled enough to be having unprotected sex (allegedly with the intention of trapping her boyfriend with a baby) might not also drink underage and not be super responsible in general about what kind of chemicals she's exposing her fetus to. Chantal ticks about 70-80% of the boxes for FAS, and that's without a proper clinical assessment. And as you say, her hyper morbid obesity is probably masking some of the signs.

Maybe people don't want there to be something "actually wrong" with Chantal because her just being shitty makes it easier for them to hate her. As if people with FAS can't be good or shitty people with or without their condition.

But yeah, good post. Very thorough.

TY <3

Honestly a couple of years ago I would have said people were reading too much into it as being FAS too. She used to come across as a fat woman who failed diets and followed fads out of laziness and low IQ. The regular livestreams and lack of a stable support system are really showing her underlying issues first hand. Talk of personality disorders and Chins has sped up a lot, especially after the "throwing clothes on the porch" stream.

Malan was a relatively stable support system and due to the pandemic seeing family has been off the table... or at least the pandemic has been a good excuse. Malan worked a regular job and their place was fairly clean. She could only hide from him during the hours he was out the house, there was no bedroom to live in squalor, Malan used the whole apartment just like she did. He was probably doing a lot of "keeping her in check" that Peetz is not capabe of, hence the roach infestation of the old apartment. Now that system is gone and we get hours of unedited content, we see the bits she never would have shown. She cannot control the narrative anymore as she is rarely sober and things constantly slip. Put anyone on stream for hours at a time and you will learn little things about them that they would never put into edited content.

Agree with you that her mother will likely have indulged in alcohol as a reckless teenager. Babytrapping teens don't have the health of a foetus in mind. Her FAS was probably not too severe as a child, given her circumstances her behaviour would have been blamed on her teenage mother. She likely slipped through the cracks just like Peetz has. That's why they can co-exist so well, neurodivergents often manage to co-exist through their own disordered way of viewing the world.

 

[HAMS Sandwich]

Shes soo entiteled and overbearing when she in fact doesnt have any clue about real life. She has always had someone to pay her shit and to lean on. Shes never lived alone. Peetz asking her on live whether or not, she was back with cokey, wad the last straw. No one questions chins. NO ONE. This bitch needs to be homeless. I wanna see her wedged in her little clowncar, with her traytable and all her shit in the backseat.
The way she acts towards others are grosss and that commenter wh said she was a sociopath is probably spot on.

I think sociopath fits the bill quite nicely, but in reality she is a whole cluster of cluster B mental illness combined with what is probably the worst thing - a sloth, pure laziness to the point in which things aren't done unless its for personal gain or to come across transactional e.g. to win Nader over.

WebMD gives back the follows:

Signs of a Sociopath​

It is important to realize that people have many personality traits. Someone may exhibit selfishness or act aggressively, but that doesn't mean they are a sociopath. Since many people who have ASPD don't recognize these traits as a problem, watching for consistent behavior patterns might be necessary.

Consistent behavior patterns in sociopaths include:

• Lack of empathy for others
• Impulsive behavior
• Attempting to control others
• Using intelligence, charm, or charisma to manipulate others - very loose, but I guess thats w/ VIBS
• Not learning from mistakes or punishment
• Lying for personal gain
• Showing a tendency to physical violence and fights - chimp outs?
• Generally superficial relationships
• Sometimes, stealing or committing other crimes - DUI, hitting animals, etc
• Threatening suicide to manipulate without intention to act - *** Just been informed she did this in her past***
• Sometimes, abusing drugs or alcohol
• Trouble with responsibilities such as a job, paying bills, etc.

Seems pretty spot on for the most part. Looking at other pages, they suggest: manipulating, deceitful, lack of empathy, risky behaviour, hostility. Seems exactly what Chantal is

 

[OhGodHowDidThisGetHere]

Thanks for the fantastic post about sociopathy, @Driventooxfordrecently.

 

[ChinnyChinChinHairs]

Edit: forgot where I am, sorry for med sperg XD

18. Claims she got ketamine after a surgery. Is that even a thing? isnt it usually used on animals? ohh wait

Ketamine is used as a supplement to other anesthetics and is used (unlabeled) for sedation and analgesia. It can be used for both adults and children. Not sure about animals though

Ketamine is only available via injection in Canada afaik.
so unless she is shooting it up, she lah.

You're right! There is some PO (by mouth) but it's ONLY for children when available by mouth. Everything else and everyone else is injection. She would probably need prefilled as I doubt she could manage to use a vial without wasting product and without bubbles in the syringe. I bet she doesn't even know what a blunt-tipped needle is or a filtered blunt-tipped needle.

 

[Stab-Slow60311]

Ketamine is only available via injection in Canada afaik.
so unless she is shooting it up, she lah.

Ketamine is available in powder form all over NA illegally, so if she really enjoyed that ketamine shot at the hospital and wanted to keep using she would go to powder. Just think, what would Nader do?

 

[Cripple]

RE: Ketamine: it's a disassociative anesthetic, it does not relieve nor stop pain. It is given primarily to paralyze and prevent memory formation of the procedure. There is NO REASON to give it post-op outside of a very narrow range of psychiatric treatment. If she has that shit she acquired it illegally.

Re: ketamine in animals, it's an older anesthetic and there's better stuff out there nowadays like propofol or alfaxalone so it's largely been phased out. However, for whatever reason, cats and horses do well on it. In cats it's usually used with two other drugs; dexmedetomine, and an opioid. The three combined are called "kitty magic". So it's a cheap anesthetic pre-med for a quick surgery like a spay. If you want a palate cleanser watch videos of cats coming down after a "kitty magic" injection.

 

[Bingeville]

RE: Ketamine: it's a disassociative anesthetic, it does not relieve nor stop pain. It is given primarily to paralyze and prevent memory formation of the procedure. There is NO REASON to give it post-op outside of a very narrow range of psychiatric treatment. If she has that shit she acquired it illegally.

You're correct that ketamine is not a pain killer; it is however, used for chronic pain. It is given as an infusion, much in the same way that it is for psychiatric purposes, but instead of it being 30-45 minutes, it is over 5-6 hours. There has been a lot of research into this in the last few years, and it appears that the effect on pain is due to dendritic growth.

 

[I call shenanigans]

I can't quote your post so will just tag you. @Who Now, that machine uses prescribed pressure (prescribed by a respiratory specialist after both sleep tests and analysis of downloaded data from the CPAP) to ensure air is forced through her collapsed airways into her lungs while sleeping. Potentially she can indeed be suffocated by her own fat collapsing her airways should the machine cease to work at the required pressure. Somehow I doubt Chinny has been having regular respiratory surgeon appointments to monitor the effectiveness of her CPAP. It was interesting watching Pulpy's chat last night feed him totally incorrect information regarding the requirement for her to have a new sleep test prior to any potential WLS. The reality is that CPAPs perform their own sleep test everytime they are used. In some of the more expensive recent models the data is transferred via wifi and downloadable by the respiratory specialist directly. These machines feature what is called remote data monitoring. I don't know if her particular her machine is capable of that, but if not, then she would be required to take it to her regular (usually around 6 monthly) appointments for the data to be downloaded in office.

ETA:

Based on the few videos I can remember where her cpap machine had been clearly visible and some quick googling in images of "white cpap machine with leaves on it", she's using one of the Resmed models that potentially does have remote data monitoring set up for them. The machine evidently has an app it connects to through wifi on phones, so I'd say while it's possible she may have a respiratory specialist viewing that data, like hell she'd ever answer the phone if they ever called her up and said something to her about it.

Hers is a Res Med machine... She confirmed this in a recent live when asked by a member if her machine was one of the recently recalled Philips CPAP units. It appears from the Res Med site that hers also automatically adjusts the pressure as needed. It is 3-4 years old though so specifications may have changed since she got hers. Plus given hers was free thanks to the Canadian health system (she confirmed the machine was free, she just had to pay for the mask), I wouldn't expect she got the top of the line machine. She really should be getting the data looked at to see if her aponea is improving or becoming worse.

 

[So Far So Good So What?]

I have a question for all medfags in this thread

So, I had a idea for a Deathfat Rehab center, it goes like this: lock them up in a padded cell, remove them of any internet connection, feed them 3x a day (with a normal sized meal), plus vitamins, give them something to read and something to exercise with, a toilet and a shower

Ignoring the obvious human decency and basic psychology offenses, how would their body react?

 

[olybinewski]

Old Boy the deathfats?

A more accurate American version than what Spike Lee offered up.

FatGorl

 

[Darth Bino]

So I believe Chantel might be bipolar. I'm not saying that just to excuse her behavior but now that I looked up the symptoms, she does check all the boxes. It's funny how some of her viewers told her she is bipolar and she just hand waves it away like "yeah... maybe." If she is bipolar then this could be a major deal in her life but she just doesn't care. She is on anti-depressents but they don't work right on someone who is bipolar. Antidepressents are to raise somebodys mood but somebody like chantel has roller coaster moods so it could cause her to be manic and reckless.

On the topic of Nader, I don't like him but Chantel is so unlikable that she makes me side with Nader way too often. Like how she said she ignored his calls all day but then when he ignored her calls she had a fucking meltdown. Does she not hear the words coming out of her mouth? And does her VIBs not hear the hypocrisy? She said that she hates when Nader smokes around her because of her asthma. I repeat, she said she hates when nader smokes around her BECAUSE OF HER ASTHMA!!! Honestly I hope Nader gives her a good knuckle sandwitch for that one because she smokes literally every day. This right here is the reason Chantel is so unsufferable. It's like the rules she makes up for everyone doesn't apply to herself. It's okay for her to smoke in her apartment in all hours of the night and not give a damn about how it affects Peetz but when Nader does it to her, he's inconsiderate. EVEN THOUGH SHE SMOKES TOO! I just can't believe a smoker is complaining about other people smoking around her because of her asthma. It's gotten to the point where I can only watch Chantel in 7 minute chunks because my IQ levels are dropping if I sit with her too long.

 

[DoorPost101]

So I believe Chantel might be bipolar. I'm not saying that just to excuse her behavior but now that I looked up the symptoms, she does check all the boxes. It's funny how some of her viewers told her she is bipolar and she just hand waves it away like "yeah... maybe." If she is bipolar then this could be a major deal in her life but she just doesn't care. She is on anti-depressents but they don't work right on someone who is bipolar. Antidepressents are to raise somebodys mood but somebody like chantel has roller coaster moods so it could cause her to be manic and reckless.

I don't think she's bipolar. Bipolar isn't rapid mood changes, it's actually more like getting stuck in moods for weeks or months at a time. She also doesn't seem to experience clinical depression as a pre-or-post manic episode symptom. (She gets depressed, sure, but that's because her life is inherently depressing. Has nothing to do with her brain chemistry.)