Mechanical Keyboard Autism Thread - Because Cherry MX switches get you laid.

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Forced air regular cleanings. If you have an air compressor for other things (air tools, nail gun) snag one of the cheap air duster nozzles. Works wonders. If you don't have space or other need for an air compressor, cans of compressed air are cheap.

That said don't listen to me I have all my busted keyboards mounted on my office wall.
 
I just replaced my Corsair K70 Lux after 9 years
Mine likes to get a key stuck or have another one double fire from time to time. Too bad I've gotten way too picky about what I'd want from a mechanical keyboard, locking me out of just about every affordable option. The fact that you cannot find a decent 104-key base with three standard status LED's and it's either 108-key BS or useless LED's like on Keychrons is already a massive hurdle. Then the fact that just about every decent WoB keycap set that doesn't do some circus shit like using math symbols for the star and forward slash on the numpad is expensive as shit. But perhaps they're a worthwhile investment if they won't fall apart like the K70 LUX keycaps, and I'm not talking about the laser engraving getting worn out. The fucking stems on the keycaps crack and I had to get replacements for the Control key. And I'm on the second replacement that was sent to me. And the replacements have even thinner and flimsier stems. Fuck Corsair.
 
The best keyboard I have ever typed on is a Model M from 1993.
Before the model M, I was using a keyboard with Kalih red switches. While good for gaming (that keyboard also had n-rollover + media keys), it was easy to press accidentally the surrounding keys.

For those concerned about the lack of Windows/Meta key, get a keyboard with a ISO layout (bigger enter, smaller left shift key), not ANSI. Those have 2 identical "\" keys, so you can re-map the left one near the left shift to be the "⊞" key; You can also use Ctrl + Esc to bring the start menu.
For the Menu/Context menu key, use shift + F10 combo.
Be careful to not get a Model M with "rubber-dome". It must have "buckling spring" mechanism.
 
I never air dusted my keyboard... I just take off all the caps once a year, wash em down with some water + detergent, and also clean the keyboard body with q-tips + alcohol. If I'm doing some intermediate cleaning, I just shake off all the dust and gunk by shaking it thoroughly, then wipe it down with a cloth and alcohol.
 
Probably not. Just use mine quite a lot or have bad luck or smash them too hard.
I rarely clean my keyboard since I don't always have with me the keycap puller and I never had issues with keys. Actually, I once cleaned with a Alcohol infused wipe the top keycaps and one of the keys started registering. Fortuantely it wasnt an issue anymore after I let it dry for a day.

But how do you smash your keyboard? Pressing hard on keys or punching while having a frustrating multiplayer match?
 
But how do you smash your keyboard? Pressing hard on keys or punching while having a frustrating multiplayer match?
Imagine how people abuse tools in the building trades. Now imagine the job site is my home office (which at one point was a wood shop).

Years ago, had a buddy over who loves Apple products. Hobbyist, loves his stuff, caresses it, appreciates it's finer qualities. No judgement from me, I get it. But the look on his face when he saw me open a new MacBook Pro picking it up like a baby I was intentionally trying to give SIDS. Made me appreciate our different perspectives. I made my money with them, he made money to buy them.
 
okay I haven't been able to financially justify this purchase in the 2+ years I've wanted to, but my Logitech G413 SE is now broken. The left key keeps firing for no reason and I am pretty confident it is because the cable is worn and the wires are exposed.

So I have never built a mechanical keyboard and tbh I am quite overwhelmed with the options. I want to build one because I have ceramic keycaps. I like how they look. They 're just neat. They've been siting in my box of neat things. It is time to build a keyboard.

For the ceramic keycaps to work, they need plungers with 40gf and a minimum of 55gf for the spacebar. I don't know what kind of switches I want. My keyboard has brown switches and they feel right, The Internet says they're Long Hua Tactiles with 45gf actuation 50-75 bottom out. I realize while being aware of this that I never press the key all the way down and when I do it feels uncomfortably hard. So I feel like I need something that, with the ceramic keycaps, will have an obvious actuation because that's what I feel for.

I don't like the cheap plastic sound of the keyboard but I don't want some noisy fucking racket either.
I haven't built a keyboard and was overwhelmed with options too, but I recently got an Epomaker Galaxy100 Lite. It feels amazing and it sounds like it might be a good fit for you. Their Wisteria linear switches have a force of 45/62gf, so it should be good for everything but the spacebar. I mostly got it because it was only $100 and had a nice creamy sound without having to build it from scratch, do five mods, or replace all of the switches.
 
There a keyboard that 80 or above, or preferably full that you guys recommend? I need one since I'm sick and tired of my 60. Don't get me wrong, it's a good keyboard, but MAN I'm sick of the FN key and I kinda miss the numpad The most important thing for me is that I need to be able to have the software work on Linux (for lighting and macros), and swappable switches. I currently have a stack of Akko V3 Lavender Purple Pro Switches that I've been dying to try that someone earlier in the thread suggested. Plus I want to try something different. My personal right now is a Wooting 60E. I love Wooting and their keyboards have always been great to me, but I'm ready to try something different.

For work I bought myself a Topre Realforce R3, and man it is one of my favorite buys. Wouldn't want it for my personal PC since the keys are just a TAD too heavy for my liking, but for typing RFOs, commands, and IPs a lot it's perfect. My only real complaint is that the keys have no lighting. Sometimes I just need to look down for whatever reason and it makes it a bit harder when the text is black and the keyboard itself is almost as dark. Been using it for nearly a year now.
 
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So I have never built a mechanical keyboard and tbh I am quite overwhelmed with the options. I want to build one because I have ceramic keycaps. I like how they look. They 're just neat. They've been siting in my box of neat things. It is time to build a keyboard.
How many keys? To determine what size keyboard you're looking to build. A full size keyboard with number pad would be 104 or 108 keys. A smaller one without a number pad might have 87/88 keys or less.
 
Full size. I'm an adult so I use the numpad.
Honestly, in your situation, I'd just get a prebuilt full-size keyboard and swap the keycaps out, in which case I'd recommend the Vortex Multix 104 VIA (about $150), or the Ducky Zero 6108 Classic (about $100) with Cherry MX2A Brown switches (not the original MX Browns). Gateron G Pro Browns would also be fine, about the same or even marginally better. I picked those two keyboards specifically because they are "hot-swappable" meaning you can easily pull and replace switches if need be, or if you just want to try something different.

It takes probably twenty minutes, with a keycap puller (which ought to be included, or is $5 on Amazon if not) to swap all the keycaps on a full size keyboard.

Aside from saving you time and hassle, buying a prebuilt keyboard and swapping the caps serves the extra purpose of letting you put the original plastic caps back on when the novelty wears off and you realize the ceramic is kind of hard on your fingertips. They are both wireless compatible but can be switched to USB-C wired mode which is what I do. The one I have came with a USB-C to USB-A adapter and it works fine.

You can build your own from a bare-bones kit, but it won't be any better, it'll be annoying to assemble, take a whole day, and ultimately you'll end up paying twice as much once everything's said and done. Mechanical keyboard autists like making their little novelty compact keyboards so there are a lot of easy kits geared toward that while few people want to build their own full size keyboard so that's more of a chore to assemble a kit for, assessing compatibility between several different brands and all that.

I personally have a Keychron V6 Max with Gateron Jupiter Banana switches, and while I mostly like it, and those are fine switches for a lateral step from MX Browns which is what my previous keyboard had before I spilled something on it, I cannot quite recommend it because occasionally, and I cannot figure out why, it will make a double-space instead of a normal space, even after swapping the switch underneath the space bar. None of the other keys double ("chatter") like that, and it's only about one space in a thousand, but that's enough for me to recommend a different keyboard.
 
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I'd recommend the Leopold FC900RBT ($150), Vortex Multix 104 VIA (also about $150), or the Ducky Zero 6108 Classic ($100), with Cherry MX2A Brown switches (not the original MX Browns).
I know this is for Null, but checked them out anyway.
The Vortex seems nice, plus it has a webgui that's open-source. I've never had a white/brown keyboard so that would be interesting. The Leopold however? Looks great, but it doesn't seem to have any support for software. But if you never mess with that doubt it would be an issue.
 
I know this is for Null, but checked them out anyway.
The Vortex seems nice, plus it has a webgui that's open-source. I've never had a white/brown keyboard so that would be interesting. The Leopold however? Looks great, but it doesn't seem to have any support for software. But if you never mess with that doubt it would be an issue.
While you were replying I revised my recommendations to remove the Leopold not because it doesn't have QMK/VIA software support (the standard key-remapping firmware) but because the switches are not hot-swappable (easily pulled out and replaced without soldering), something I assumed the Leopold was at first but soon realized it wasn't.

The only thing I ever used QMK/VIA for was to make the programmable knob on my keyboard adjust the brightness of the LEDs instead of system volume.
 
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Full size. I'm an adult so I use the numpad

I grew up with IBM keyboards and prefer clicky switches. My last clicky mech kb came with a Dell Precision workstation i bought sometime around 2000. Had to ditch em' because I was in a cube farm by then and some cunts in the office were bitching about the noise.

This past week I replaced a Logitech Craft ive had for bout 3 years with a Keychron Q5 Max. Bought the 'barebones' version with the knob and used Gateron Melodic (60g) clicky switches.

I never built a kb either before this one.

Installing switches is simple. Place them in the spot then push down, you feel em plug in.

They have a tool to test keystrokes. I tested everything after installation then stuck the keycaps on.

This is the only actual assembly required.

Theres a switch that came defaulted to Mac. Switch it over to Win. All this does is change 'layers' which are sets of key layouts you can swap between.

The other switch is how it talks. You can do 2.4ghz with the included receiver, BT or USB. Wireless comms are encrypted.

It sounds great, no weird noises or resonance. No hollow sounds at all, sound rock solid and very reminiscent of what i remember. Ive got access to Unicomp M's and some other oldschool shit. Im happy with this kb and would choose it over the old ones im bein realistic not a fuckin turbonerd.

You can 100% beat someone to death with one of these.
 
This past week I replaced a Logitech Craft ive had for bout 3 years with a Keychron Q5 Max. Bought the 'barebones' version with the knob and used Gateron Melodic (60g) clicky switches.
Come back in a year and let us know if it started to develop double clicks and "sticky keys". My V6 Max did, there was a firmware update for it but I doubt that it's really firmware related and it's just a workaround.
 
Has anyone ever bought or used this keyboard?

I did and now it finally arrived. Bought me a Model M-style Classic F104.
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Here are some of my thoughts:

First of all, you need to keep in mind that when you buy this board, it comes with only the Space bar attached. You'll need to attach all the other keys yourself - apparently the mechanisms were getting dislodged far too often during shipping and thus weren't working properly, so this was a necessary measure. Which is fine, but you need to attach the plastic guides for 2U-keys too.
There are two types of plastic guides - black and white colored, they are used for vertical 2U keys (Plus and Enter keys on the numpad) and horizontal 2U keys (both Shifts, Enter, Backspace), respectively. And you can plug them in incorrectly. If that ever happens, you won't be able to attach the key, and you'll have to disassemble the entire board to remove the guide. Don't ask me how I know this.
In other words, READ THE FUCKING MANUAL BEFORE ASSEMBLY. I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH.

Unlike Model Ms, the case is cast aluminum, so case creek straight up doesn't exist. It weighs 4 kilograms - you can legitimately beat somebody to death with it, and apparently earlier F62 and F77 models were made with cast zinc!
On topic of build quality - I really can't complain. No case creek, the space key isn't lopsided (like it is on my Unicomp Model M), the thing is built like a tank. Apparently earlier boards had issues with their controllers, but AFAIK it got fixed by now.

This is a USB keyboard, so no need to look for a PS/2 converter in case your computer doesn't have a PS/2 port. The cable is braided, doesn't feel like some cheap crap. How long will it last however, remains to be seen. The cable plugs into keyboard controller inside the keyboard, and there is also a clamp inside, which holds it in place. On one hand, that's a good thing - the cable won't come loose easily, and you can still unplug and replace it without doing any soldering. However, that also means that you'll have to disassemble the case in order to unplug it. And hey, if you want to make it a USB-C keyboard, all you have to do is replace the cable.

Speaking of disassembly: the back of the case has 6 easily accessible screws holding it, none of that stupid bullshit that corpos usually pull by hiding extra screws under the sticker and feet. Apparently earlier models used to use Phillips screws, but now they switched to Internal Hex Screws - those allegedly don't strip as easily.

One of the most annoying things about Model M is that, if you want to disassemble it completely in order to perform maintenance, you basically have to break it. That's because Model M's keyboard assembly is held together by breakable plastic rivets. Also these rivets tend to break off with time on their own, causing all sorts of issues. You can bolt mod it, of course, but it is a lengthy process that requires lots of drilling, and you can potentially ruin it if you aren't careful.
Meanwhile, this keyboard's assembly is held together with metal tabs instead, so you can relatively easily replace anything inside it (or clean it if you spill anything inside). The only complaint I have there is that you'll need to bend some of the tabs in order to separate the assembly, meaning those will eventually break off too, if you disassemble it too often.

Typing on it also feels different from my Unicomp board, but in a good way. Tactile feedback is very nice and crisp. The sound is very different - a little more higher-pitched than on my Unicomp, and very metallic. I watched a few videos of Model F typing demonstrations - it sounds just like that. It's as loud as a buckling spring board should be. But can be even louder if you purchase and install an additional solenoid and a solenoid controller board. Then it would sound like a proper typewriter!

Unfortunately, unlike Model M, you can't change its height. Like Model F, there are 4 cork feet you can glue onto the bottom of it and that's all you get. If you want to change its height, you'll have to order extra feet on their "Keyboard Feet/Bumpers" page (they screw into the bottom of the keyboard, there are 4 empty holes for them) - apparently if you want the same height as Model M its feet flipped out, you'll have to order "medium threaded" feet. Or, you know, you can buy some rubber feet at your local hardware store and nigger-rig it yourself - 16-19mm height is about right.

The keyboard controller is programmable, and it supports keyboard mapping software such as Vial. Normally the left blank key acts like a Windows key, and blank right key functions like a Fn key. With Vial you can change these keys (and also any other keys) to whatever you want, including macros.
Also, another thing to consider - the keyboard support full NKRO, but normally it is set to 6KRO for compatibility reasons. You'll have to use Vial to enable NKRO.

Now, all of this is great, but you'll have to also consider the cost. $400 minus shipping - ouch! You can get a Unicomp Classic (or New Model M for that matter) for less than half of that!
This product is clearly for enthusiasts only. If you just want a buckling spring keyboard, without the Model F tech and everything that comes with it - Unicomp's got you covered, those are fairly decent boards, even though the build quality for their "classic" keyboards is all over the place.

Also, another thing that bothers me - when I got the board, the sticker on the back is already coming off. And apparently it's a common problem. Whatever adhesive those guys are using is clearly not the same industrial-grade stuff IBM and Lexmark used (and Unicomp still uses - my board is 6 years old now, and all the stickers are in place). I realize it's not that big of a deal, but come on!
Furthermore, LGR did a video on an F77 board, and apparently after a while the LED overlay sticker started to come off too. Mine hasn't fallen off yet, so how long this one will last remains to be seen.

By the way, just to make it clear - this keyboard does support Unicomp-made keycaps too. That's how I got Windows 95-era keys on it (normally those 2 keys are blank) as well as a standard Russian key layout (for some reason the layout they normally provide has Russian letters on top-left of the key, and English letters on bottom-right - virtually nobody else does this, so I went with something more conventional).

Pros:
* Full metal case
* Model M layout with Model F technology - the best of both worlds
* NKRO
* Easy to reconfigure
* Easy to disassemble/reassemble and repair, everything can be replaced

Cons:
* Price
* Comes partially disassembled, you'll have to put the keys on it yourself
* Easy to fuck up the assembly process, if you don't RTFM
* Adhesive on the stickers wears off pretty fast.

Final thoughts: despite everything, this is an amazing fucking board. It feels wonderful to type on, and with its build quality and repairability it will probably outlast me.
Now, if you're only looking to dabble into the whole "buckling spring keyboard" thing, then you may be better off with a Unicomp board (or a vintage IBM Model M, if you can get it for cheap), because it is pricy, but it's worth the price IMO, despite some of its quirks.
 
What's a good mechanical keyboard for someone whos new to this whole thing. I prefer clicky/thocky sounding keyboards.
 
for some reason the layout they normally provide has Russian letters on top-left of the key, and English letters on bottom-right - virtually nobody else does this, so I went with something more conventional
Another reason you’d want to do this is because the ModelFLabs version of the Russian keyset doesn’t have the pretty red lettering, mine were all black.
 
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