MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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It's kinda unfair to pin-point which president was "responsible" for which third-world terror group since a lot of these terrorist groups are the result of a daisy chain of bad decisions going back as far as the Roosevelt Administration.

Also TIME has a new cover.

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Pikimon said:
It's kinda unfair to pin-point which president was "responsible" for which third-world terror group since a lot of these terrorist groups are the result of a daisy chain of bad decisions going back as far as the Roosevelt Administration.
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So it's one of those "Oh its no-one fault, it's everyones fault" TBH I'm surprised TIME didn't just go for the photoshopped head of Trump on Hitler. It's just pretty depressing this whole thing really, no-one really wants to talk about why some people support Trump, they just want to to the usual media divide and conquer stuff.

The sad thing is, the type of American sensationalism and "Reds vs Blues NFL" type political coverage gets mirrored more and more in politics outside the US, it's basically poisoned the well of political discussion now. Nothing positive will get done unless its a side effect of another Lobby group or Corporate project.
 
Oh Long Johnson said:
You do realize that one batshit presidential candidate does not invalidate a party that commands majorities in both houses of Congress, right? Their presidential election strategies that past decade have definitely sucked but winning the Oval Office two straight terms with a likely third is not a countrywide mandate on liberal policies.
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If Hillary does win this year, then it'll mean that the GOP have won only 2 of the last 7 Presidential elections, with one of those victories being a solid-but-unspectacular victory against a Democrat candidate so forgettable that one of his own electoral voters confused him with his running mate, and the other... close and contentious to say the very least.

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean the Republicans are in any long-term danger - until Bill Clinton showed up, the Democrats only won 3 of the prior 10 elections, with almost all their losses being far worse even than Dole '96 or McCain '08 - but they do seem to have a major problem winning the White House, and somehow I don't think Trump's approach is going to do much to help.
 
raymond said:
Did he actually do anything beyond simply being there at the rally? It's not like Hillary can control who's attending.
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XYZpdq said:
From what my buddy said he's like, right next to or behind her in the "people we want on stage with her" section.
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An Ounce of Vagina said:
http://www.snopes.com/2016/08/09/hillary-clinton-invited-orlando-shooters-father-to-florida-rally/



That's the problem when you have an event open to the public, the public might show up. So while embarrassing for her it's nothing like proof of some secret tie to the Taliban as some right-wing sites have suggested.
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Having worked on large campaigns, I can tell you that everyone who appears behind a candidate on stage is vetted. Either they were completely aware of what they were doing (possibly as some sort of misguided attempt to help win over Muslim voters or increase their enthusiasm/likelihood to turn out in November), he lied about his identity (and somehow got that past both the campaign staff and the Secret Service), he snuck in somehow (even more difficult), someone in the campaign wanted to damage Clinton by manufacturing some sort of scandal (which is incredibly unlikely, not to mention the fact that Donald Trump has been dominating the media cycle by shooting himself in the foot on an almost daily basis), or someone saw him before the event and brought him up at the last second to add "diversity" to the stage (which is a really, really stupid thing to do).

Legatus Lanius said:
So I did a bit of digging on Stein's running mate...just wow. Hold on to your hats, because a doctor was stupid enough to pick someone who's name is fucking Ajamu Baraka. This exceptional individual is on record for:
:story: What a pick Jill, maybe you should have just picked Baraka from Mortal Kombat. It would somehow be less insane.
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He looks like a knock off version of Uncle Ben
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He's absolutely insane. Stein really, really wanted Nina Turner, who had been a member of the Ohio Senate, but she, not being as dumb as Stein, realized that leaving the Democratic Party would damage her career. This guy was her next best choice. I was reading an article earlier this week with more of his nuttier statements; lots of conspiracy theories.
 
Brandobaris said:
Not to be a party pooper, but hasn't the Obama government and the Bush government been shitting all over the American Constitution and Bill of Rights the entire time to combat the Terrorism they most likely spawned?
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Violating the Constitution (or appearing to) is America's fucking pastime. Louisiana Purchase anyone?
Definitely doesn't make it right though.
 
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Legatus Lanius said:
So I did a bit of digging on Stein's running mate...just wow. Hold on to your hats, because a doctor was stupid enough to pick someone who's name is fucking Ajamu Baraka. This exceptional individual is on record for:
:story: What a pick Jill, maybe you should have just picked Baraka from Mortal Kombat. It would somehow be less insane.
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Goddamn it. I like Dr. Stein, but Baraka sounds like a fucking moron.
 
Too Many Crooks said:
Goddamn it. I like Dr. Stein, but Baraka sounds like a fucking moron.
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Green Party's got a lot of old school radicals in it. Some of them are less insane than others. Problem with radical leftist circles in general is that a lot of paranoid lunatics or inarticulate contrarians manage to get their voices heard louder more than they would anywhere else, if only because of the insular nature of the whole deal.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Green Party's got a lot of old school radicals in it. Some of them are less insane than others. Problem with radical leftist circles in general is that a lot of paranoid lunatics or inarticulate contrarians manage to get their voices heard louder more than they would anywhere else, if only because of the insular nature of the whole deal.
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Well yea. When you have no chance of winning anyway there's no incentive to moderate your tone.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Problem with radical leftist circles in general is that a lot of paranoid lunatics or inarticulate contrarians manage to get their voices heard louder more than they would anywhere else, if only because of the insular nature of the whole deal.
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Eh, that's true about almost any third party in a single member district/"first past the post" system, though. For example, there are still Libertarians acting like Johnson and Weld are literally the worst nominees in the party's history; many would have strongly preferred Darryl Perry, who is probably worthy of a lolcow thread.
 
Ruin said:
Well yea. When you have no chance of winning anyway there's no incentive to moderate your tone.
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Personally the idiots don't know how to build a political base. They need to stop running national level campaigns and try to get some more city council seats and stuff like that. Most of their elected officials are in school boards and shit. If they gain some local visibility in major cities they'll attract some more not fringe lunatics and actually accomplish something.
 
An Ounce of Vagina said:
The old Republican strategies just aren't going to work much longer. They will have to drastically reinvent themselves if they ever want to field a serious candidate again. And they are going to have a pretty hard time selling any kind of new platform to people they have spend decades calling subhumans who don't deserve rights.
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Trump is the dramatic reinvention. He's preemptively thrown the entire party base under the bus while using the specter of Clinton to force them back to his side anyway. Not that this was an actual strategy; that's just what came about due to Trump's celebrity savantée.

It's a reinvention in the same way being facefucked by a xenomorph is a pregnancy, but a reinvention nonetheless.
 
*Asterisk* said:
Trump is the dramatic reinvention. He's preemptively thrown the entire party base under the bus while using the specter of Clinton to force them back to his side anyway. Not that this was an actual strategy; that's just what came about due to Trump's celebrity savantée.

It's a reinvention in the same way being facefucked by a xenomorph is a pregnancy, but a reinvention nonetheless.
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They need a real reinvention, and to find new votes. If the Republicans could drop just a few things from their shit list they could actually be doing much better even without gerrymandering.

-Gays tend to be of higher socioeconomic status and economically conservative. But for many their only option for years has been to vote Democrat over the party that keeps pushing bullshit like conversion therapy and trying to keep them from marrying. If the Republicans dropped that and instead embraced groups like the Log cabin Republicans I could see a lot of gays, particularly men, switching from the Democrats.

-Hispanics tend to be conservative and would probably approve of some of the Republicans ideas, but many feel alienated by the party. The "build the wall" chant is only the latest message that says in not-so subtle terms that the Republicans do not see them as "real" Americans, or often even as people.

-Muslims are the situation of the gays and Hispanics combined (higher socioeconomic status and culturally conservative). But they look at the bigotry they get from the Republicans and see the Democrats as their only option.

These three groups could probably be swayed to vote Republican in the future, but if the party tries to campaign for their votes or even ease up on the rhetoric they risk angering their base. It's a gamble for sure, but it's a gamble that the party might have to make.

Trump: If Clinton wins Pennsylvania, she cheated

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/donald-trump-pennsylvania-cheating/

(CNN)Donald Trump declared Friday that there's only one way he could lose the state of Pennsylvania: if he's cheated out of it.

"We're going to watch Pennsylvania. Go down to certain areas and watch and study and make sure other people don't come in and vote five times," he said at a rally in Altoona, Pennsylvania. "If you do that, we're not going to lose. The only way we can lose, in my opinion -- I really mean this, Pennsylvania -- is if cheating goes on."
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Because the only other possibility is Trump lost and that's just crazy talk.
 
An Ounce of Vagina said:
Trump: If Clinton wins Pennsylvania, she cheated

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/12/politics/donald-trump-pennsylvania-cheating/


Because the only other possibility is Trump lost and that's just crazy talk.
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Taking a quick look at r/the_donald and how those idiots eat up literally everything this guy says, I'm curious what the reaction is going to be when Trump inevitably loses. They've already gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole, I can only imagine insanity will follow.
 
feedtheoctopus said:
Taking a quick look at r/the_donald and how those idiots eat up literally everything this guy says, I'm curious what the reaction is going to be when Trump inevitably loses. They've already gone down the conspiracy rabbit hole, I can only imagine insanity will follow.
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Do you think some of the more extreme Trump fans would resort to violence?
 
Admiral Piett said:
Do you think some of the more extreme Trump fans would resort to violence?
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From what I understand a lot of the militia types are big into him, and Trump's also got the support of a rogue's gallery of skinheads and general alt-right maniacs. I think it should go without saying that all three of those factions are pretty paranoid and prone to insanity on a day when they don't think the evil liberal Illuminati just stole an election from them. The militia people in particular are actually extremely dangerous (with or without Trump's influence). A lot of them are ex-military, they're well organized, and you better believe they're well armed. They've been engaging in numerous armed standoffs with federal officials recently also.

I don't know if you remember Bundy ranch or that shit in Oregon, but the major reason the feds avoided confrontation as much as possible was because they knew that if bullets started flying then within days bombs would start going off, federal officials in the rural west would start getting capped (they already deal with harassment from these types regularly FYI) and they'd end up with a domestic insurgency, which is something these militia people are gleefully looking forward to. They probably wouldn't win that war, but they sure as shit could cause some serious damage.

Some segments of the American far-right are indeed paranoid, stupid, and violent enough to do some truly heinous things if Trump loses and they believe Clinton rigged the election. I'm not going to make any assumptions on how likely that is, but the possibility's there.
 
Extremism and violence? I have seen a fair bit against Trump supporters, and one fight where Democrat supporters fought Bikers and Skinheads with both sides ending up in hospital. But have I heard of giant Hillary protests on the scale of the Anti-Trump campaign #NeverTrump and all the other organizations? There are often people who talk about hoping Trump gets Assassinated during the election. It's disturbed me that some people have such hatred for a political candidate they'd literally be cheering in the streets if their Brains were splattered across live television. It's the first time in during an election where I've seen people openly describing their bloodlust for a candidate. And not simply confined to an edgy chatroom on the internet fringe.
 
An Ounce of Vagina said:
They need a real reinvention, and to find new votes. If the Republicans could drop just a few things from their shit list they could actually be doing much better even without gerrymandering.

-Gays tend to be of higher socioeconomic status and economically conservative. But for many their only option for years has been to vote Democrat over the party that keeps pushing bullshit like conversion therapy and trying to keep them from marrying. If the Republicans dropped that and instead embraced groups like the Log cabin Republicans I could see a lot of gays, particularly men, switching from the Democrats.

-Hispanics tend to be conservative and would probably approve of some of the Republicans ideas, but many feel alienated by the party. The "build the wall" chant is only the latest message that says in not-so subtle terms that the Republicans do not see them as "real" Americans, or often even as people.

-Muslims are the situation of the gays and Hispanics combined (higher socioeconomic status and culturally conservative). But they look at the bigotry they get from the Republicans and see the Democrats as their only option.

These three groups could probably be swayed to vote Republican in the future, but if the party tries to campaign for their votes or even ease up on the rhetoric they risk angering their base. It's a gamble for sure, but it's a gamble that the party might have to make.
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It's very likely that Republicans have lost these groups (along with Millennials) for the next 40-60 years, the only chance they have now is to drop the Tea Party republicans and the Evangelicals and switch gears into Libertarian values centered around freedom of choice (weed legalization, an end to for-profit prisons, etc.).

However its very likely that Trump has probably squashed any chances of that ever happening.
 
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