MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[feedtheoctopus]

I usually don't care too much about politics outside my country in general, but this whole shitshow has been the most entretaining thing i've watched in the last few months, both candidates are absolute shit and the US will be fucked either way, and while i think Trump is a moron, i'd rather see him as president than Hillary, even if i don't agree with a lot of the things he proposes.

Spoiler

I'd still rather try to live in the US in the near future than my country though

It's easy to say you want Trump when you don't have to live with him. He's been well known as a sleazy bastard in New York City for decades (as was his father for the record). Even those cynical dirtbags on wall street don't trust this guy with their money, never mind the country as a whole.

That doesn't mean "the most"

Some parts are more defended than others.
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The US-Mexico border is actually heavily militarized. The parts where it's not "protected" are open desert where people routinely die of exposure trying to pass through. Not only that BP, despite their bullshit claims to the contrary in the media, keeps expanding, keeps getting more funding, and has enough hardware and surveillance equipment on the border that "the wall" might as well already be there.
It is amazingly hard to get into this country. People who do often multiple attempts before they pull it off.

Trump and the "close the border" idiots of course ignore these facts. They also ignore that it is pretty much impossible to truly secure a border that huge. Especially with just a wall. Keep in mind the great wall of China was a total failure. Trump's great wall of stupid will be an even bigger failure. Mainly because nobody wants to pay for that shit. Hell, Mexico doesn't even have the money for that. Those motherfuckers can't even get clean water to some parts of their country, much less turn America into a fuckin' fortress for us.

tl;dr Trump's a dumbass and Republicans are even bigger dumbasses for believing him

 

[Male Idiot]

With enough landmines, any border on land can be sealed.

Mind, with the US, I think the big problem is that they have a hard time watching the ocean, where a sneaky boat can manage to get past Coast Patrol.

That's why I think Trump's idea of totally closing the border down is impossible. He can try to tighten security though, employing more patrolmen would give low-education americans a few jobs.

 

[ICametoLurk]

 

[KatsuKitty]

With enough landmines, any border on land can be sealed.

Mind, with the US, I think the big problem is that they have a hard time watching the ocean, where a sneaky boat can manage to get past Coast Patrol.

That's why I think Trump's idea of totally closing the border down is impossible. He can try to tighten security though, employing more patrolmen would give low-education americans a few jobs.

Trump's strength though is that he is the only candidate who would seriously consider mining the border to stop this crisis.

Other politicians would be too encumbered by the "morality" of the issue, or would worry too much about the international consequences of an automated defense against Mexico's most vicious invaders. Why I like Trump is, he doesn't care. He puts aside empathy and does what needs to be done for America's sole benefit, essentially exhibiting a Sherlock Holmes-esque strength to see the big picture in a detached way.

 

[XYZpdq]

a Sherlock Holmes-esque

coke-addled?

 

[Keter]

Not to mention the only reason those drug warriors have an interest in the US is our huge demand.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Trump's strength though is that he is the only candidate who would seriously consider mining the border to stop this crisis.

Other politicians would be too encumbered by the "morality" of the issue, or would worry too much about the international consequences of an automated defense against Mexico's most vicious invaders. Why I like Trump is, he doesn't care. He puts aside empathy and does what needs to be done for America's sole benefit, essentially exhibiting a Sherlock Holmes-esque strength to see the big picture in a detached way.

If you think some Salvadorean migrant workers cutting lawns is a "crisis" I can't help but envy how sheltered you are. Real world's gonna beat your ass bad, kid.

Also "not caring" is not a positive character trait and Trump has about as much in common with Sherlock Holmes as OPL does with Casanova. Unless being an impulsive dumbass who never thinks anything through is one of Holmes's character traits. Which it isn't.

 

[DZ 305]

Trump's strength though is that he is the only candidate who would seriously consider mining the border to stop this crisis.

How is utilizing weapons unable to distinguish between a child or a coyotaje a sign of strength?

Other politicians would be too encumbered by the "morality" of the issue, or would worry too much about the international consequences of an automated defense against Mexico's most vicious invaders. Why I like Trump is, he doesn't care. He puts aside empathy and does what needs to be done for America's sole benefit, essentially exhibiting a Sherlock Holmes-esque strength to see the big picture in a detached way.

You're praising a man because he doesn't care about morality? A firmly centered morality is the bedrock of liberty and good government. You can't live in a society that is based on liberty and have no moral compass, that turns it to license. We don't need solutions this extreme to combat the issue of immigration, just as being against the Wall is not supporting totally open borders.

 

[KatsuKitty]

How is utilizing weapons unable to distinguish between a child or a coyotaje a sign of strength?

You're praising a man because he doesn't care about morality? A firmly centered morality is the bedrock of liberty and good government. You can't live in a society that is based on liberty and have no moral compass, that turns it to license. We don't need solutions this extreme to combat the issue of immigration, just as being against the Wall is not supporting totally open borders.

Because this "morality" has come at the expense of American citizens.

I don't care about the rest of the world. It's not my job as an American citizen to give a rat's patoot about the rest of the world. Our relationships with other countries should be strictly strategic. If there's any reason to vote Trump, it's that he puts America first, and slams the door in the face of refugees so we can fix our own problems foremost.

A morality where we sacrifice ourselves for others isn't a morality, it's suicide.

 

[JU 199]

@KatsuKitty we don't put down landmines because there's a chance in a few decades your own people will step on them. Landmines have always been cruel weapons that backfire when everyone forgets where they were placed or the fences surrounding them move.

There logical, valid reasons not to use landmines. It doesn't make someone a cuck to recognise that lol

 

[DZ 305]

Because this "morality" has come at the expense of American citizens.

I don't care about the rest of the world. It's not my job as an American citizen to give a rat's patoot about the rest of the world. If there's any reason to vote Trump, it's that he puts America first, and slams the door in the face of refugees so we can fix our own problems foremost.

The moment you fully detach basic human dignity from one group of people, is the day you remove society from a solid foundation with a double standard. The solution to the refugee crisis and immigration crisis doesn't have to be total open borders, nor should it be 'fuck you I got mine' and nor should it be. We can make a difference and find a solution for these people outside of Merklestan and turning the borders into a killing wall

 

[KatsuKitty]

@KatsuKitty we don't put down landmines because there's a chance in a few decades your own people will step on them. Landmines have always been cruel weapons that backfire when everyone forgets where they were placed or the fences surrounding them move.

There logical, valid reasons not to use landmines. It doesn't make someone a cuck to recognise that lol

Which is why Trump proposed a wall, rather than landmines. That was a purely theoretical example. The point is essentially the same; that we need to slam the door in the face of the rest of the world and fix the homelessness, crime, and infrastructure blight that plagues us at home.

 

[DZ 305]

Which is why Trump proposed a wall, rather than landmines. That was a purely theoretical example. The point is essentially the same; that we need to slam the door in the face of the rest of the world and fix the homelessness, crime, and infrastructure blight that plagues us at home.

He hasn't said jack shit about how we're going to fix those issues, and I have no reason to believe he has any plans to find solutions.

 

[JU 199]

Which is why Trump proposed a wall, rather than landmines. That was a purely theoretical example. The point is essentially the same; that we need to slam the door in the face of the rest of the world and fix the homelessness, crime, and infrastructure blight that plagues us at home.

Sure, build a 50 foot wall around sothern america. That costs money. When the wall starts crumbling due to weather and mishaps it'll need fixing, constant fixing. Meanwhile illegal immigrants tunnel under the wall or bribe the guards. It'll be a giant waste of time and resources you could have spent fixing more pressing problems.

The wall was always a bad idea.

 

[KatsuKitty]

He hasn't said jack shit about how we're going to fix those issues, and I have no reason to believe he has any plans to find solutions.

Only he did:

• Trump correctly identified adversarial Chinese behaviour such as devaluing their dollar and dumping steel onto our shores as evidence of a very one-sided trade relationship. His solution is to virtually end this manipulation, by threatening tariffs or even ending trade with China. They'll die without us, so we have considerable dealmaking leverage.
• Trump highlighted illegal immigration as a top job-killer, not to mention the crime these immigrants bring as we are unable to vet them. This is the benefit the wall brings. Trump isn't totally closing immigration, he's making it work for us. By pushing legal immigration, Trump essentially says you can come if you're not going to make the place worse, not that you can come just because you're from a war zone and are going to die if you go back. Something that I and many other Americans really don't care about.
• Trump is proposing NATO and other allies finally pay for the service we provide. It's no longer the Cold War, and our presence in these countries doesn't really serve our interests like it uses to. That's valuable military money only serving their benefit we could be reallocating toward ourselves.

 

[JU 199]

not that you can come just because you're from a war zone and are going to die if you go back.

Lol you say that like its a trivial thing. I don't think anyone who escaped Syria would trivialise that.

Also, China owns so much american capital and assets that ceasing trade with them would force a financial retaliation. America would harm itself as much as China would get harmed. Plus america provides more peacekeeping than it should but fucking charging people for service isn't as simple as it seems. The world is much more complicated than trump would have you think. You cant just make your guiding international principal 'I'm not a cuck'

 

[Optimus Prime]

Only he did:

• Trump correctly identified adversarial Chinese behaviour such as devaluing their dollar and dumping steel onto our shores as evidence of a very one-sided trade relationship. His solution is to virtually end this manipulation, by threatening tariffs or even ending trade with China. They'll die without us, so we have considerable dealmaking leverage.

That would destroy multiple industries in the US that rely on the untapped market potential that is China. The trade situation is not optimal but being an upset child threatening to take their toys and go home is not an option.

• Trump highlighted illegal immigration as a top job-killer, not to mention the crime these immigrants bring as we are unable to vet them. This is the benefit the wall brings. Trump isn't totally closing immigration, he's making it work for us. By pushing legal immigration, Trump essentially says you can come if you're not going to make the place worse, not that you can come just because you're from a war zone and are going to die if you go back. Something that I and many other Americans really don't care about.

That didn't even address the fact his big plan for enforcing that is basically a mini-Great Wall. The actual height of the wall keeps changing - so I'll work with the highest value I know which is 55 feet. Assuming that height, with a depth low enough to 'discourage' tunneling under...that still isn't going to stop things from flying overhead in planes. Or a long-term jailbreak style tunneling operation like every single drug-traffic tunnel found (as well as that one guy who escaped prison through a tunnel built under his bathtub). Or stow-aways on northern bound trains unless EVERY SINGLE POINT where the tracks cross countries there is Checkpoint Charlie style establishments. Or simply using boats to get AROUND the wall's left and rightmost edges. Or...etc.

It isn't generally his stance on harder immigration - though the fact to him, simply being Muslim is grounds alone to deny somebody entry into the country, is blatantly violating the constitutional right to religion - that is the problem, it is this childish and absolutely batshit lunacy that simply slamming a monolith almost three times the height of this 20-foot Optimus Prime statue

is somehow going to stop people who literally have nothing to lose in trying to get over an obstacle. Let alone one that is going to take longer than 8 years to ever see completion due to the myriad of zoning laws such a project would come into conflict with.

• Trump is proposing NATO and other allies finally pay for the service we provide. It's no longer the Cold War, and our presence in these countries doesn't really serve our interests like it uses to. That's valuable military money only serving their benefit we could be reallocating toward ourselves.

And how would that money be reallocated? We sure as shit aren't adequately funding veteran's affairs the way we should be, flooding more money into a hopelessly broken system is not going to magically make things better.

 

[Without A Gout]

I'm still under the belief that America is fucked regardless of whom is president. Too many critical issues and tensions that were either exasperated or kicked down the road that are probably going to come to a head soon.

It's probably going to get significantly worse before it gets any better.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I'm still under the belief that America is fucked regardless of whom is president. Too many critical issues and tensions that were either exasperated or kicked down the road that are probably going to come to a head soon.

It's probably going to get significantly worse before it gets any better.

I somewhat agree - while problems involving international scope do keep happening like middle east terrorism, Putin trying to relive the Cold War, and a bunch of smaller power-mad bastards running havok everywhere, the truth is it is starling how little has been done to improve the US infrastructure. The road systems are rapidly becoming more and more disastrous - anybody remember that bridge collapse in Mississippi a few years back? - the rise of police shootings and riots somewhat invoke the events of the 60's (Vietnam protests, civil rights movement...), those morons on the hill still can't agree on a working model of national healthcare when many of the core US allies already have that shit down pat, and taxation really needs to stop giving the 1% holding 90-something-% of the nation's economy so many fucking breaks already.

But with Hillary at least there is a chance to get shit done, even if ultimately underhanded. Trump has declared bankruptcy multiple times and is famous for literally not giving a shit about others from Apprentice. He couldn't even be bothered to quote two words from the Bible correctly! Combined with how he's alienated damn near every minority group in the country, he sure as hell isn't going to be the one to magically fix their social issues.

 

[DZ 305]

I'm still under the belief that America is fucked regardless of whom is president. Too many critical issues and tensions that were either exasperated or kicked down the road that are probably going to come to a head soon.

It's probably going to get significantly worse before it gets any better.

I remain hopeful that we can still address some of these bigger issues, humanity has been able to adapt and come back from far worse. Hell, it looked like the whole world was sliding into a depression just 8 years ago and growth was expected to become grossly inverted.