MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[Emiya Kiwitsugu]

Personally, I think despite all fears of Trump's authoritarianism, fascism, and other isms, he won't be able to do anything radical if he somehow gets into the White House instead of the First Woman President™. He has already pissed off a lot of people in the establishment, and they will surely attempt to obstruct anything he does in any way they can. President Trump will have to nimbly navigate around various groups of influential people wanting to see his insectoid ass being thrown out of the Oval Office, and that will severely limit his actions. Less fascism, more political gridlock.

It depends primarily on what Trump wants to do. I see no reason that the Republicans in Congress would want to block him in all cases, as, for better or for worse, the establishment Republicans have begrudgingly embraced him at this point. Given his surprising popularity among the right, any lone Congressional member who stands in front of him is going to get ripped apart by both Trump, the party, Trump's supporters, and conservative media, and that's as good a recipe as any for getting primary'd out next time around.

As long as Trump pushes ideas tasteful to the right, the Republican Congress would be more than willing to pass them for him. You're going to get a very conservative replacement for Scalia, and likely any other Justices who resign or die under him, which is likely, given Ginsburg being 83; Kennedy is nearly 80, and Breyer at 77. For as much as Trump likes to talk about taxing the rich more, his current tax plan cuts all brackets heavily, and thus liked by the Republicans. And, of course, the Affordable Care Act could finally be repealed, which the Republican establishment would love nothing more than to do just that--they've been getting shit on over it for a while, since a lot of their promises in 2010 and onward were that, if you give us Congress, we'll repeal Obamacare. They got control of Congress, and, while that's obviously not enough to repeal it without a veto-proof majority, the fact is that a lot of Republican voters don't care about that, and see them as lazy do-nothings, who promised to repeal Obamacare if voted in, and promptly did nothing when voted in. Getting that noose around their neck off is probably the greatest priority for them.

 

[IwegalBadnik]

Now, for what I really came to do - leaving this here:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=2Lk1kvZ_WNY
Fucking California...

I'm not terribly fond of Trump (though I prefer him to Clinton), but that circus was uncalled for. Many of those people attacking the Trump supporters need to spend a little while in the county jail for their actions.

I don't think it's unfair for someone to run their mouth hollering outside someone else's speech protesting if they wish to, but they should not be allowed to walk away after battering people who just wanted to attend an event.

 

[Lurker]

Spoiler: it was an honor sperging with you

 

[KatsuKitty]

Trump combines the best attitude with the worst competency. Hillary has both the worst attitude, and the worst competency.

You know if Hillary wins then we're getting four more years of Obamanomics. Obama has been a staggering, colossal, monumental failure with the economy and Democrats like to tout his millions of minimum-wage paper hat jobs as reducing the unemployment rate. Hillary will basically continue our swirl down the drain; she's said explicitly that she endorses much of what Obama did.

Doc Thompson compared this to having a hundred dollars and deciding whether or not you're going to burn it, or blow it all on lottery tickets. Both are pretty fucking stupid to do. Hillary is burning the hundred dollars; if we wins, we know we're getting the shitty, poor, and sensitive country we have today. But Trump is the lottery tickets. Trump says questionable things like wanting to "print the money", but his nationalist, un-empathetic attitude that holds Western people as the superior race deserving of the spoils is top-notch. Am I willing to chance more QE for the decimation of inferior cultures economically and militarily? Maybe. Nobody else has openly committed themselves to stomping our boots on the undeserving non-Western people of the world. It's a terrific message and one that brings us unity within the country, something that Obama's divisive rhethoric has not brought us. Trump isn't afraid to say we're in charge, we make the rules, and lots of non-Western races will suffer dearly to uphold this status quo. That's American superiority, and I'm proud to endorse it.

With Hillary, you lose. Four more years of apologies for being superior, and dogwhistled admissions that Muslim, Mexican, and Chinese cultures are superior to ours.

It's a pretty solid chance he's not going to fix anything, but hey, he might.

 

[Shokew]

Also, the public and private sectors work differently. While there are some general management principles that one could argue overlap, they're two different beasts. People who say "government should be run like a business" either don't know what they're talking about, or are hoping the people they're talking to are ignorant. That's not to say that business experience is irrelevant, but it's not the best substitute for political experience.

Anyone who talks like this is someone likely to cause another depression, or worse, only knows how to cater to the rich and corporate scum ruining our country. They have no idea how to please the REAL constituents (e.g.: Average Joes like you and me.). It's because of people like this that unrest, violence, and revolt are becoming encouraged more and more everyday. Too bad it's simply not enough, due to where said unrest, violence and revolt is being aimed most of the other time(s)...

And, of course, the Affordable Care Act could finally be repealed, which the Republican establishment would love nothing more than to do just that--they've been getting shit on over it for a while, since a lot of their promises in 2010 and onward were that, if you give us Congress, we'll repeal Obamacare. They got control of Congress, and, while that's obviously not enough to repeal it without a veto-proof majority, the fact is that a lot of Republican voters don't care about that, and see them as lazy do-nothings, who promised to repeal Obamacare if voted in, and promptly did nothing when voted in. Getting that noose around their neck off is probably the greatest priority for them.

Too bad if they repeal Obamacare, no one will ever be able to afford proper healthcare ever again, as they will find new ways to keep Average Joes like you and me out of "their system" (And don't think they won't!). I say this because they will put nothing in place to deal with this growing epidemic - that to them, healthcare deserves treated as a rich person's privilege and not every citizen's right, like in other countries, rich and poor, worldwide! They'd rather let the nation die from Zika and whatnot - before fixing the healthcare problem in this country that still has yet to truly be fixed. That makes me angry against these so - called elected officials... UGH.

With that tirade out of the way... I leave this here as well. It has some good insight to how these protestors are making Trump look legitimately good. And that's FACT:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-03/violent-california-protesters-play-right-donald-trumps-hand

 

[JU 199]

Doc Thompson compared this to having a hundred dollars and deciding whether or not you're going to burn it, or blow it all on lottery tickets. Both are pretty fucking stupid to do. Hillary is burning the hundred dollars; if we wins, we know we're getting the shitty, poor, and sensitive country we have today. But Trump is the lottery tickets. Trump says questionable things like wanting to "print the money", but his nationalist, un-empathetic attitude that holds Western people as the superior race deserving of the spoils is top-notch. Am I willing to chance more QE for the decimation of inferior cultures economically and militarily? Maybe. Nobody else has openly committed themselves to stomping our boots on the undeserving non-Western people of the world. It's a terrific message and one that brings us unity within the country, something that Obama's divisive rhethoric has not brought us. Trump isn't afraid to say we're in charge, we make the rules, and lots of non-Western races will suffer dearly to uphold this status quo. That's American superiority, and I'm proud to endorse it.

I cant tell if that's trolling (if it is, it's top notch) but if it's not then It's worth a response because I've heard sentiments like that in other places. It's a old sentiment: 'Our nation is overwhelmingly superior, so much so everyone will acknowledge it'. It's a dangerous attitude that the west rejected a long time because it gave us two world wars and countless dead. This isn't to say that cultures are relative, obviously not- Saudi Arabia sucks. However the west cant just rationalize stepping on everyone it thinks beneath them. This is why diplomacy and cooperation became normalized, not because it's perfect or even optimal but because it avoids war. Everyone had to learn that the hard way and we may have forgotten that.

Trump and his 'me first fuck you' attitude is a harbinger of a world just before another global war. You don't want to play Russian roulette especially when the bullets are atomic weapons and trump manufactured the gun.

Also remember KatsuKitty- you're at a draftable age. I don't think you wanna die fighting some poor schmuck on the other side of the mexico wall.

 

[KatsuKitty]

I cant tell if that's trolling (if it is, it's top notch) but if it's not then It's worth a response because I've heard sentiments like that in other places. It's a old sentiment: 'Our nation is overwhelmingly superior, so much so everyone will acknowledge it'. It's a dangerous sentiment that the west rejected a long time because it gave us two world wars and countless dead. This isn't to say that cultures are relative, obviously not- Saudi Arabia sucks. However the west cant just rationalize stepping on everyone it thinks beneath them. This is why diplomacy and cooperation became normalized, not because it's perfect or even optimal but because it avoids war. Everyone had to learn that the hard way and we may have forgotten that.

Trump and his 'me first fuck you' attitude is a harbinger of a world just before another global war. You don't want to play Russian roulette especially when the bullets are atomic weapons and trump manufactured the gun.

Also remember KatsuKitty- you're at a draftable age. I don't think you wanna die fighting some poor schmuck on the other side of the mexico wall.

Nobody's gotta start a war over it. If anything, the weakness Obama and Clinton touted for decades puts us at a defense risk, because others just take advantage of us and sap our strength. Has not taking a hard line on Saudi Arabia prevented 9/11?

It's tempting to examine historical precedent but nobody before has ever held the nuclear and military advantage the US has over other nations. We lost Iraq and Afghanistan because we didn't have the balls to use it. Trump slaughtered a sacred cow by calling for the execution of terrorists families, a so-called "war crime". But really, it's what's gotta be done to conquer and destroy these cultures. Trump is the best shot we have to exterminate and extinguish certain cultures and assimilate their people, whether militarily, or preferably economically (think Reagan and the USSR).

If we had the balls to actually hit people, it's not like they'd be able to hit back. It may sound crass, but I say club the whole damn world. It won't even take a draft because we are the best when we actually have the balls to fight. We'll win.

 

[JU 199]

Has not taking a hard line on Saudi Arabia prevented 9/11?

What does a hard line even look like with a country as backward as Saudi Arabia? There's a reason we buy oil from them- because the royal family will remain wealthy and 98 times out of 100 keep the country in line. If you have a president that starts screaming "YOU DID 9/11 YOU ARAB COCKSUCKERS" and then cuts off their oil exports what would happen? The Royal family would collapse and the nation would become another space for ISIS to germinate.

Diplomacy isn't perfect but it has immense utility. Abandoning it because you feel small downstairs isn't smart

Nobody's gotta start a war over it.

That's really optimistic. Human history is littered with war. It's been our species pastime for thousands of years. Wars are relatively easy to instigate if you're not careful. It's only the past 60 years we've bothered to build structures to avoid conflict.

If you knock those structures away and start whipping up nationalist sentiment like trump does and you'll get wars*. Mark my words.

*Large, disastrous wars that will kill lots of people (including people you like)

 

[KatsuKitty]

What does a hard line even look like with a country as backward as Saudi Arabia? There's a reason we buy oil from them- because 98 times out of 100 the royal family remain wealthy and keep the country in line. If you have a president that starts screaming "YOU DID 9/11 YOU ARAB COCKSUCKERS" and then cuts off their oil exports what would happen? The Royal family would collapse and the nation would become another space for ISIS to germinate.

Diplomacy isn't perfect but it has immense utility.


That's really optimistic. Human history is littered with war. It's been our species pastime for thousands of years. Wars are relatively easy to instigate if you're not careful. It's only the past 60 years we've bothered to build structures to avoid conflict.

If you knock those structures away and start whipping up nationalist sentiment you'll get wars*. Mark my words.

*Large, disastrous wars that will kill lots of people (including people you like)

I'll give you that waging war is expensive and best avoided. For the sake of argument though, there wouldn't really be an ISIS with a campaign of brutality of our own; we still hold the power advantage. After all, World War II was won by indiscriminate area bombing of German civilians as a strategy that served as nothing more than a stark and imposing message of brutality. Personally, I have no problem with that, because it's war. Neither does Trump.

We could end ISIS in a week with the werewithal. Russia severely decimated ISIS in Syria, because Putin was not afraid to bomb civilians. We're losing the war in the Middle East because of empathy and moralism. The America I want to see, and millions of Trump voters want to see, is neither empathetic nor sensitive....except to Americans. That's what's so refreshing about Trump; he espouses a message of not taking it up the arse just because we're such a compassionate world player.

 

[JU 199]

After all, World War II was won by indiscriminate area bombing of German civilians as a strategy that served as nothing more than a stark and imposing message of brutality.

I'm not gonna get into it here but there's a broader set of reasons WWII ended then just that. It wasn't a proud moment when it happened either.

Russia severely decimated ISIS in Syria, because Putin was not afraid to bomb civilians.

(Yeah, gotta kill those innocent bystanders to show what a tough man you are to your country. That's why he even wanted to intervene, just to give him a boost back at russia)

Also that's contradictory. You cant say the west gives human life a superior standard then the 'inferior cultures' do and then publicly abandon it when it's inconvenient. Trump would take the 'shining city on a hill' and turn it into a fortress with fucking big guns pointed at everyone. That would spawn wars with much more powerful enemies then ISIS.

 

[Ruin]

Im with Katsu. Ever since Vietnam millions of innocent people have been slaughtered because of our misguided empathy for savage cultures, and our refusal to use force.

Somtimes you have to break things to rebuild them for the better like imperial Japan.

 

[KatsuKitty]

Im with Katsu. Ever since Vietnam millions of innocent people have been slaughtered because of our misguided empathy for savage cultures, and our refusal to use force.

Somtimes you have to break things to rebuild them for the better like imperial Japan.

That's essentially my point. It's not like I'm calling for brutality for brutality's sake, I'm simply suggesting we do what is necessary to win. Few nations are freer and more democratic than ours, and the net effect is beneficial.

The best part though is really, we don't exactly need to kill anyone or blow shit up to "win". All we have to do is be proud of who we are and stand up for it. Obama's apology tours, Bush's wartime reluctance to fight properly, and Bill Clinton's trade capitualtions to Mexico have been a disgrace and a flagrant display of weakness.

 

[DuskEngine]

Im with Katsu. Ever since Vietnam millions of innocent people have been slaughtered because of our misguided empathy for savage cultures, and our refusal to use force.

Somtimes you have to break things to rebuild them for the better like imperial Japan.

If there is anything America's military is remembered for, it is the humane and ethical conduct they showed in Vietnam

 

[Ruin]

If there is anything America's military is remembered for, it is the humane and ethical conduct they showed in Vietnam

I meant post Vietnam.

 

[Radical Goodspeed]

I meant post Vietnam.

Then burning down the Middle East to steal the delicious oil inside?

Granted, it was always a shithole...

I don't think anyone or anything short of nuking it all to bedrock or resurrecting Great Kahn would fix that region.

 

[JU 199]

The best part though is really, we don't exactly need to kill anyone or blow shit up to "win". All we have to do is be proud of who we are and stand up for it. Obama's apology tours, Bush's wartime reluctance to fight properly, and Bill Clinton's trade capitualtions to Mexico have been a disgrace and a flagrant display of weakness.

That's incredibly naive. How does america becoming more proud make situations more advantageous for us? If trump was our current president, traveled Japan to for the Hiroshima ceremony and said-

"Yeah we were right to bomb you chinks. America was great and will be great again!"

How would that make america great again? Shitting on our allies doesn't make them respect us more.

 

[melty]

I'll give you that waging war is expensive and best avoided. For the sake of argument though, there wouldn't really be an ISIS with a campaign of brutality of our own; we still hold the power advantage. After all, World War II was won by indiscriminate area bombing of German civilians as a strategy that served as nothing more than a stark and imposing message of brutality. Personally, I have no problem with that, because it's war. Neither does Trump.

We could end ISIS in a week with the werewithal. Russia severely decimated ISIS in Syria, because Putin was not afraid to bomb civilians. We're losing the war in the Middle East because of empathy and moralism. The America I want to see, and millions of Trump voters want to see, is neither empathetic nor sensitive....except to Americans. That's what's so refreshing about Trump; he espouses a message of not taking it up the arse just because we're such a compassionate world player.

This. ISIS fighters hide out in civilian areas because they know America hates risking bombing them. We accidentally bomb a hospital and everybody freaks out, meanwhile ISIS is killing and enslaving thousands of people daily and starving entire cities and oh well that's just another day in Syria.

How would that make america great again? Shitting on our allies doesn't make them respect us more.

It kind of does though. Everybody respects Russia because Putin gives no fucks. Bending over and sucking the dick of every country we want to be allies with does make us look weak, like it or not. We want to be in a position like Saudia Arabia, where people pretty much have to do what we say whether they like it or not (although obviously with a more stable economy and more than one industry, etc)

 

[Blue Max]

Put it this way:

Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton have long histories in politics. Bernie in particular is a deeply ideological figure, but both are predictable. The Donald has thrown up a gigantic smokescreen with extreme ideas that he's backed away from, and while I'm pretty sure his personal life is strong enough evidence that he's no social conservative, the direct question of what exactly HE STANDS FOR is hard to answer.

We can take Trump at his word, at which point he's considered settling on US Debts, ordering the US Government to kill the families of terrorists, punishing women who have abortions (TBH - not that extreme a position in the USA as a whole) , openly advocating torture and aggressive posturing with nuclear weapons and even use them.

We can disregard Trump's words and ask what the Republican Party itself stands for. There is more to like here, if you're part of the 1%, or a social issues voter. Hate abortions? Want Gay People to get fixed? Want to own your own Military Grade Ordinance? Fine. But the GOP's vision of economic policy has fundamentally not changed since W.'s administration, and any economic policy that has caused an economic Depression is irredeemably stupid. The increasing disparity of wealth between the 1% and the poorest Americans isn't just vaporizing the middle class, it has implications ranging from people simply turning to crime for a lack of opportunities to the fundamental assumption that all men are created equal fails. This isn't free market capitalism, this is feudalism, and the party that promotes the "Original Intent" of the founding fathers as a constitutional interpretation would put another King George in power.

I tend not to ascribe to either of these ideas. I think Trump is less extreme than his mouth and deeply wishes to be loved by the American people as opposed to simply telling them to eat cake. But Trump is a business bushwaker with a high threshold of risk tolerance. I don't hold his bankruptcies to mean that he's a bad businessman--there is a whole school of investing that suggests that betting on a lot of high risk ventures will make money if you do it enough times--but the United States can't go bankrupt once. Besides writing checks to political candidates and some 3rd party stuff with the Reform Party, he lacks political experience. Even generously allowing that he may well have some strong insights in how to run communications, he seems to lack the mechanical qualities of running a business. He's an investor far more than a manager, a salesman far more than an operator.

I can't rule out Donald Trump starting a nuclear war or permanently alienating a formerly US Ally, or trashing the US Economy.

Meanwhile, for those of us who aren't super-rich, issues voters or interested in military adventurism, either Hillary or Bernie will be a safe pair of hands. Bernie will struggle to get his vision passed by congress; Hillary is somewhat damaged by two decades of political crosshairs being trained on her--but if we're comparing scandals, I have to think Trump U. tops Benghazi and Emails. If we're comparing personal lives, compare being married to a womanizing scandalous sort and trying to make peace with it versus being a womanizing scandalous sort. Or, of course, the straightforwardly monogamous lifestyle of Bernie Sanders.

There are a lot of ways to make decide who to vote for, but if I want to maximize the minimum performance of the United States and maximize the most likely performance, it's simple - vote Democrat.

 

[JU 199]

It kind of does though. Everybody respects Russia because Putin gives no fucks.

Nah that's not true. There's respect through admiration or the kind that comes from being a bully. Putin is a bully who has the power of the state behind him. I'd rather not emulate a kleptocratic country that only exists for it's dear leader. There's no Russia without putin anymore. Do we want an america that cant exist without Trump?

This. ISIS fighters hide out in civilian areas because they know America hates risking bombing them. We accidentally bomb a hospital and everybody freaks out, meanwhile ISIS is killing and enslaving thousands of people daily and starving entire cities and oh well that's just another day in Syria.

That's a false dichotomy. How is bombing a hospital going to stop ISIS apart from killing about 10 of them? Instead you fuck up their supply routes and financing (which is what the international community at large is finally doing)

 

[Ruin]

"As for scandels I think Trump U tops Benghazi."

How many Americans were left to die at Trump U again?