MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.


Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)
 
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*Sees Ghostbusters BS*
... Is it safe to say Trump Wins...? Is it safe to be scared, seeing as I'm black, as well??
 
*Sees Ghostbusters BS*
... Is it safe to say Trump Wins...? Is it safe to be scared, seeing as I'm black, as well??
Unless Trump manages to somehow repair the incredibly high negatives he has with women and minority groups, he's still pretty royally screwed. That or he needs to manage to court nearly the entire white male vote his side.

The reality is that the make up of the electoral map is such that the Democrats have a sizable advantage under the current coalition. Consider that Bush only had 271 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win in 2000, and 285 in 2004. Obama, by contrast, had 365 of that 270 in 2008, and 332 in 2012. Bush only squeaked by to the tune of 500 votes in Florida in 2000 to just win the election by two more electoral votes, and only had 16 more with the incumbent's advantage in 2004. It's also worth remembering that Bush managed to pick up 40% of the Latino vote in 2000, a number which Republicans haven't managed to get anywhere near since. And since then, the white percentage of the electorate has grown smaller in size compared to the sum of all non-white electorates. Bush wouldn't have stood a chance with both today's demographics, in addition to the fact the Latino vote continues to move into a more reliably Democratic voter base.

If you mess with prediction models, such as the one run on 538, if the amount of minority voters who voted in 2012 remains constant in 2016, and all groups have the same inclinations towards either party as they in 2012, even if literally every white person in the country votes, Clinton would still narrowly defeat Trump. It would be a narrow win, like 2004 for Bush, but a win nonetheless. The white vote, or at least the white male vote considering how badly he's polling with white women, is just not enough to win anymore.

This is certainly Clinton's election to lose, though I would admit that Trump is enough of an oddity that it's not entirely unthinkable that he somehow pulls something out of his ass that could be great enough to get him to win. I imagine if we get the minor recession that a lot of economists predict this year, it could get him a couple more points, as the incumbent presidential party is blamed. Perhaps the best thing to happen for Trump, though, as morbid and terrible as it is, is if a fairly sizeable terrorist attack happens close to the election. The national security issue was used effectively by Bush in 2004 to support his campaign, and Trump could potentially win if he used a tragedy like that as 'evidence' that the Democratic solution to security isn't enough. Given his hard line stances on both terrorism (Kill terrorist's families), and Muslims (The obvious ban), in addition to his confident and brash demeanor, it could cause a great tilt towards him.
 
It'll be ignored in a few days...you know, because bathrooms and unenforceable laws

You're right - I am over-exaggerating, especially with all the bathroom crap happening in the news because of most GOP ass-hats in charge right now... Never can forget that. I just wish I could ignore it (and how much Drumpf supports such BS from the party he represents, too.).
 
I'm not the only one with a morbid curiosity to see trump winning and the amazing salt that it would produce right?
 
This is certainly Clinton's election to lose, though I would admit that Trump is enough of an oddity that it's not entirely unthinkable that he somehow pulls something out of his ass that could be great enough to get him to win. I imagine if we get the minor recession that a lot of economists predict this year, it could get him a couple more points, as the incumbent presidential party is blamed. Perhaps the best thing to happen for Trump, though, as morbid and terrible as it is, is if a fairly sizeable terrorist attack happens close to the election. The national security issue was used effectively by Bush in 2004 to support his campaign, and Trump could potentially win if he used a tragedy like that as 'evidence' that the Democratic solution to security isn't enough. Given his hard line stances on both terrorism (Kill terrorist's families), and Muslims (The obvious ban), in addition to his confident and brash demeanor, it could cause a great tilt towards him.
Bush in '04 also had another advantage in that the Democrats clearly didn't believe in War on Terror opposition, and were obviously just using the stance for political gain rather than reasons of principle.

A supermajority of Democrat Senators -- including John Kerry, Harry Reid, Hillary Clinton, and Joe Biden -- voted in favor of the Iraq War. Regardless of your feelings about the War on Terror, then or now, the Democrats' shift from pro to anti W.O.T. says at least one of the following to the thinking voter:

  • The Democrats voted for a war they didn't believe in to score political points.
  • The Democrats did believe it was the right thing to vote for, yet are willing to eviscerate matters of national security for short term political gain.
  • The Democrats voted before either vetting the info they had or learning anything at all, meaning they're both careless and stupid.
  • The Democrats were tricked by the Bush Administration, meaning they're exactly as careless and stupid as they'd be under the third option, in addition to being gullible saps.
The Democrats, for reasons only Howard Dean could pretend were justified, told the voters the fourth story was the reason for the flip-flop. Which means they were either lying to the voters faces; unwitting confessers of their own incompetence and retardation; or, as I personally believe, they did both at once.

The Democrats -- as well as Donald Trump, who much like every other issue flip-flopped on Iraq in stream-of-consiousness fashion -- are counting on as many people forgetting these events as possible. Most voters have long since forgotten these details, but they still remember the broader picture of the Democrats and Republicans repeated insults to their intelligence. The success of Trump, and the turbulance of the Clinton and Bush campaigns, have all occured as a direct result of the voters wishing to punish these vacuous cunts in any fashion they can.
 
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