MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[AnOminous]

- Is a horrendously inept businessman who'd be living between relatives basements if he weren't the spoiled rotten son of Brooklyn's top realestate mogul. He's presided over repeated failed ventures in spite of receiving millions, perhaps billions, in taxpayer dollars while owning businesses competitors were legally prohibited by force of government -- and possibly Cosa Nostra -- violence in retaliation. No one with his degree of competence should be in charge of anything, or for that matter, allowed contact with blunt or sharp objects. He should be jangling paper cups in people's faces at best.

You're giving him too much credit even calling him a businessman. He has a simple rinse-and-repeat scam he has been able to do over and over again because of his talent for relentless self-promotion. He licenses use of his name while putting no money up to get dupes to "invest" with his companies. He doesn't give a shit if they fail. He just funnels as much of the dumb investors' money his way as possible, then when it goes belly-up, there's a strategic corporate bankruptcy so he gets to keep the profits while his "investors" take a bath.

If the business somehow actually succeeds, even better. It's a success from someone else's work and he gets to take credit for it and a cut of the profits.

That's not dumb, but it's not being a businessman.

 

[JU 199]

The GOP has hit peak desperation. They now are planing to deny trump the nomination at the convention and blatantly install Romney.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-stop-trump-at-convention/index.html

Washington (CNN)Mitt Romney has instructed his closest advisers to explore the possibility of stopping Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention, a source close to Romney's inner circle says.

The 2012 GOP nominee's advisers are examining what a fight at the convention might look like and what rules might need revising.

"It sounds like the plan is to lock the convention," said the source.

Romney is focused on suppressing Trump's delegate count to prevent him from accumulating the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination.

But implicit in Romney's request to his team to explore the possibility of a convention fight is his willingness to step in and carry the party's banner into the fall general election as the Republican nominee.

In a speech Thursday at the University of Utah, he urged voters to support the candidate most likely to prevent Trump from racking up delegates in their states -- saying he'd back Florida Sen. Marco Rubio if he were voting in the Sunshine State, Gov. John Kasich if he were voting in Ohio, or Texas Sen. Ted Cruz in the states where he polls as Trump's strongest foe.

"If the other candidates can find common ground, I believe we can nominate a person who can win the general election and who will represent the values and policies of conservatism," Romney said.

According to the source, Romney does not expect Rubio, Cruz or Kasich to emerge as the single candidate that can accumulate 1,237 delegates and outright defeat Trump before the convention.

In addition, two senior Republican Party insiders told CNN that the convention scenario is now dominating a lot of conversation in GOP fundraising circles. To be sure, both of these sources are skeptical about Romney being able to execute this plan, but both believe that there is a real attempt underway to try to do this.

If the plan were to come to fruition, these Republican Party insiders believe it will likely drive Trump into a third party candidacy in the fall.

Trump has repeatedly threatened an independent run if he isn't treated "fairly" by Republicans.

After Romney attacked Trump in a blistering speech Thursday morning, Trump hit back by mocking Romney's 2012 loss at a campaign rally in Portland, Maine -- pointing to Romney's efforts to secure Trump's endorsement.

"He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said, 'Mitt, drop to your knees' -- he would have dropped to his knees," he said.

He said of 2012: "That was a race, I have to say, folks, that should have been won. ... I don't know what happened to him. He disappeared. He disappeared. And I wasn't happy about it, I'll be honest, because I am not a fan of Barack Obama, because I backed Mitt Romney -- I backed Mitt Romney. You can see how loyal he is."

Trump said Romney thought about running again in 2016, but "chickened out."

This plan would only work if Trump didn't get enough delegates. and if it did work it would damage american democracy itself.

 

[XYZpdq]

The GOP has hit peak desperation. They now are planing to deny trump the nomination at the convention and blatantly install Romney

lolGOP
Romney? This is a terrible plan to start with and then they manage to find a way to make it worse.

 

[AnOminous]

This plan would only work if Trump didn't get enough delegates. and if it did work it would damage american democracy itself.

If it did "work" it would destroy the GOP. We'd see a political realignment like never before. Well, unless you count the Whigs. Or the dissolution of the Federalist Party. Or actually a few other times stupid parties have ceased to exist in the United States.

However, let's set aside my nearly masturbatory fantasies of the GOP ceasing to exist.

It would be an absolute fucking disaster and would represent cheating millions of American voters out of their vote. For fucking Trump. I fucking hate Trump.

But nobody deserves to be cheated out of their vote.

If the Republican primary/caucus voters want Trump, FUCK whoever doesn't want them to have him.

My desire to see the GOP dissolve and to see the world burn have to take back seat to basic democratic principles.

 

[Trombonista]

You know what would be hilarious? If Trump won the general election, only to resign after less than a year in office because he can't fire Congress or the Supreme Court.

 

[JU 199]

It's the most desperate I've ever seen a modern western party act. The Party insiders are chatting this stratagy up as legitimately viable.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/03/blo...t_convention_that_could_leave_party_in_ruins/

William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard, has already stated his intention to put forward an “independent Republican” if Trump is indeed the nominee. “That ticket would simply be a one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination,” Kristol wrote. It “would support other Republicans running for Congress and other offices, and would allow voters to correct the temporary mistake (if they make it) of nominating Trump.”

That statement is dripping with condescension. Kristol glides right past the obvious point: If Trump is elected, it won’t be by mistake; it will be the deliberate result of a democratic process. Trump is the most popular figure in the Republican Party right now – in what sense is it a “mistake” if he’s their chosen nominee?

In any event, Kristol isn’t alone. The panic is spreading throughout the ranks of the GOP. They have but two realistic options: support a third-party candidate, who will undermine Trump but also hand the election to the Democratic nominee, or play parliamentary games in Cleveland in order to steal the nomination away from Trump. To do that, however, requires preventing Trump from acquiring the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the nomination. If they can manage that (for instance, by rallying around a candidate in time to limit Trump’s delegate count), there are some intriguing possibilities.

MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow interviewed Ben Ginsberg, a veteran Republican attorney, this week about the likelihood of a contested convention. Maddow asked Ginsberg if there is sufficient freedom under the rules of the Republican convention to nominate someone other than Trump, even if Trump has far more delegates than any other candidate going in. His answer was exciting, particularly if you’re a Democrat:

“What’s true about the Republican delegate selection process is that about three quarters of the delegates are chosen by state party conventions or state party central committees or executive committees and the candidate doesn’t really have a say on who those individual delegates are. And secondly, under the rules of the Republican Party and its convention, the delegates are bound to the candidate who won their state for the first presidential ballot and in some instances more than that, but their bound for the presidential vote; they’re not bound for things like decisions on rules, decisions on credentials, decisions on who the vice presidential nominee is – all of those things are up to the individual delegates working their will.”

The second half of that statement is the important part. What Ginsberg is saying, in effect, is that the rules can be changed at the convention in order to dethrone Trump, if it comes to that. It would be an outright affront to the will of Republican voters, but it’s possible nevertheless.

 

[Morbid Boredom]

It's the most desperate I've ever seen a modern western party act. The Party insiders are chatting this stratagy up as legitimately viable.

[LOTS OF STUFF]

I might vote for a Bullmoose, just to say I did. I live in NY*, so the state will go to the Democrat, anyway.

The RNC may have to resort to Superdelegates, same as the DNC did after McGovern and Carter. "Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line" has been turned upside-down this time around.

*I used to work for an attorney that did real estate. He told me "I believe in hell because I need to believe people like Donald Trump will finally get theirs."

 

[Dain Bramage]

Have you ever met people who qualify for those programs? America's impoverished who qualify for those programs live better than the middle class, but such luxuries are meant to distract from an impoverished mind set. To me, lifting Americans out of poverty means getting everyone on their own feet and only encouraging welfare when it's actually needed, not turning it into a career while encouraging the growth of poverty by inviting immigrants to succle America's sweet tits.

Care to get your sources from places other than Fox News? That "Welfare Queen" myth was a Reagan-era campaign tactic, and people on food stamps aren't driving around in Escalades as they load up the trunk with lobster & sirloin.

Ever volunteered at a shelter or food bank? I have. The shit these people have to go through is awful enough. But on top of all that, they have rightwing blowhards trying to paint them as "the enemy", as if they were ISIS sleeper agents on orders to tear down America.

People don't want to be on welfare, but if the choice is 1. Welfare or 2. Starve to death, who can blame them for wanting to stay alive?

Of course no one questions all of the trillions being shoveled to the Pentagon for Stealth Toilets and pimpin' palaces for military brass, or "subsidies" to Big Oil who make obscene amounts of profits all on their own. But suggest a slight increase in WIC funding so that more single mothers can feed their baby, and every gop politician will totally lose their shit on C-SPAN.

I don't want Rick Santorum to wind up in the Oval Office, and I don't want Romney to wind up in the office either, but I can at least say of them "they could do things that would cause them not to sleep at night." Whereas with someone like Mr. or Mrs. Clinton, and Trump himself, I don't even have to say there's nothing I think they won't do because I've already seen them do exactly the worst possible things any human being could do and not have it bother them in the slightest.

IMO, I'd rather have a secular sociopath who does horrible things than a religious sociopath who declares that their atrocities are what JAY-ZUSS would have demanded. At least the secular despots accept the blame for their actions. Nothing is more vile than someone doing bad who claims that they are doing good.

 

[Morbid Boredom]

Care to get your sources from places other than Fox News? That "Welfare Queen" myth was a Reagan-era campaign tactic, and people on food stamps aren't driving around in Escalades as they load up the trunk with lobster & sirloin.

Ever volunteered at a shelter or food bank? I have. The shit these people have to go through is awful enough. But on top of all that, they have rightwing blowhards trying to paint them as "the enemy", as if they were ISIS sleeper agents on orders to tear down America.

People don't want to be on welfare, but if the choice is 1. Welfare or 2. Starve to death, who can blame them for wanting to stay alive?

Of course no one questions all of the trillions being shoveled to the Pentagon for Stealth Toilets pimpin' and palaces for military brass, or "subsidies" to Big Oil who make obscene amounts of profits all on their own. But suggest a slight increase in WIC funding so that more single mothers can feed their baby, and every gop politician will totally lose their shit on C-SPAN.



IMO, I'd rather have a secular sociopath who does horrible things than a religious sociopath who declares that their atrocities are what JAY-ZUSS would have demanded. At least the secular despots accept the blame for their actions. Nothing is more vile than someone doing bad who claims that they are doing good.

Word. That "Fuck the homeless" shit we do is just to piss off ADF.

 

[nad7155]

cheating millions of American voters out of their vote.

The whole system is too convoluted.

Money = power.

Power = influence.

Influence = power.

Human nature 101.

 

[JU 199]

The whole system is too convoluted

That's democracy for you. It's supposed to be convoluted. However if the GOP prove that their section process is a sham It'll do more damage to america then even Trump's presidency would.

Think about it: The public already has a sneaking suspicion their elite don't respect/listen to them anymore. All the GOP will do is loudly, publicly prove it.

The electorate will start sending candidates worse than Trump. Mark my words.

 

[Olhelm]

M.A.G.A.

That is all.

 

[nad7155]

That's democracy for you. It's supposed to be convoluted.

Totally missed my point.

Hmm, yeah.

 

[JU 199]

Totally missed my point.

Hmm, yeah.

No, I just didn't agree with you. Democracy is convoluted because it's an attempt to distill what many people want into 'X'. However there's a difference between mediating everyone's prerogatives and cynically manipulating the process to keep people you want out.

There's a difference.

 

[AnOminous]

No, I just didn't agree with you. Democracy is convoluted because it's an attempt to distill what many people want into 'X'. However there's a difference between mediating everyone's prerogatives and cynically manipulating the process to keep people you want out. There's a difference.

This.

It's one thing to say publicly that democracy is stupid and we shouldn't even bother paying attention to votes.

If the GOP primary basically ignores the will of the voters to choose Trump as a front runner, that means they're basically telling those voters their vote doesn't matter, democracy is a sham, and they'll do whatever the fuck they like anyway.

Guess how that flies in the general if they somehow manage to install some other candidate in a completely rigged process?

 

[JU 199]

This.

It's one thing to say publicly that democracy is stupid and we shouldn't even bother paying attention to votes.

If the GOP primary basically ignores the will of the voters to choose Trump as a front runner, that means they're basically telling those voters their vote doesn't matter, democracy is a sham, and they'll do whatever the fuck they like anyway.

Guess how that flies in the general if they somehow manage to install some other candidate in a completely rigged process?

If Romney (or at this point Rubio) ended up magically with the nomination the republicans would lose, even if trump didn't run. The american public would not tolerate it.

 

[AnOminous]

If Romney (or at this point Rubio) ended up magically end up with the nomination the republicans would lose, even if trump didn't run. The american public would not tolerate it.

The result would be chaos.

And by "chaos," I mean really fun.

 

[DZ 305]

I might vote for a Bullmoose, just to say I did.

Well bully to you my friend! That is my plan as well. If its a shitshow, might as well vote for a dead guy.

 

[Red_Rager]

So I listened to the livestream of the Trump Rally that took place in Portland, ME today. In the livestream I listened to it started out with his interviews in the past where he said he was not going to run for president unless it really matters and he feels he can make a difference with sentimental music in the background. The show started with the governor of Maine opening the rally and started off talking about great and strong Trump is (we need strong people) and how the democrats want to destroy everything America stands for.

And then Trump came on and what really stood out to me is how he just keeps repeating the same points over and over and over again. Building the wall but he still loves Mexico, make America great again, bashing his opponents as incompetents, everyone who criticizes him is doing it for the lulz, etc. Honestly, this seems more like an excuse fest of muddying the complaints people have towards him. People are suing him because people are lawsuit happy, the IRS is auditing him because government intrusion. In short his speech was about how he was the victim but he is persevering. Kernel of truth in his statements but when you generalize enough people will fill in the blanks for themselves. There is no substance at all, just the same sound bites. The crowd loved it.

I couldn't pay attention to the chat since I was working, but it was the usual shitposting. "Build the wall bigger", "Trump is Satan", "Trump will make America great again". "Democrats/Republicans are destroying America and only [other party] can fix it", etc.

Spoiler: Portland, ME Trump Rally

The first video I saw in the comments the audio is out of sync so here is another but without the opening from the governor

 

[*Asterisk*]

IMO, I'd rather have a secular sociopath who does horrible things than a religious sociopath who declares that their atrocities are what JAY-ZUSS would have demanded. At least the secular despots accept the blame for their actions. Nothing is more vile than someone doing bad who claims that they are doing good.

Secular despots don't accept blame at any greater rate than religious despots. Hell, secular crooks usually actively gravitate back towards religion in an effort to shield themselves from criticism and rob their opponents of a point to use against them. Hitler and Saddam Hussein and Idi Amin -- just for three quick examples -- did exactly this, and even though his religious convictions are even less sincere than those three, Trump is already hitting those same points. Look at this ridiculous nonsense on him blaming his IRS audits on him being a "strong Christian."