MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[melty]

You're not the only one. There's something mesmerizing about someone who can effortlessly deflect so many attacks. Even the most seasoned politicians have a hard time doing that. Trump does it effortlessly.

A trump presidency would damage America but it's so damn entertaining watching him work

Most of my friends are legitimately horrified about Trump. While normally republican presidents makes me seriously nervous, I honestly have a hard time hating Trump personally. When I was younger I really looked up to him and Ivanka as businesspeople and enjoyed watching the first couple of seasons of The Apprentice. I liked how flamboyant he was and wanted to be just as successful (I know, not a billionaire, bankrupcies etc)
Trump just doesn't give a shit. He's so confident because he knows he can say literally anything and get away with it. This is a guy who got the evangelical vote a day after the pope said he's not very christian! He's openly criticized Dubya and POWs lol. I honestly don't know what he could say or do at this point to turn people away. If he just came out and said he was trolling and his entire support base was retarded for voting for him he would probably just end up with even more voters because they "like his honesty"
Sanders is the only one who can compete with Trump because people respond to authenticity or the appearance of it and he genuinely seems sincere.
I feel like the entire world has gotten way more retarded in the last few years, between ISIS and Trump's candidacy and some other things. I said in chat I feel like my life is an ongoing lolcow event, because of stuff like this that's actually happening in the world that's really surreal. But the world has probably always been pretty retarded and it's just hitting a peak for the first time in awhile.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

Thats because the democratic party hates its base.

Say what you want about the GOP but they have some kind of respect for their base.

The word you're looking for is fear. The SJWs are advantageous to the Democrats because of their difficulty actually forcing purity tests; while also providing convenient shock troops. The Tea Party, insane as a lot of them are, can and will fuck members of their own party over to make an ideological point.

 

[bearycool]

Most of my friends are legitimately horrified about Trump. While normally republican presidents makes me seriously nervous, I honestly have a hard time hating Trump personally. When I was younger I really looked up to him and Ivanka as businesspeople and enjoyed watching the first couple of seasons of The Apprentice. I liked how flamboyant he was and wanted to be just as successful (I know, not a billionaire, bankrupcies etc)
Trump just doesn't give a shit. He's so confident because he knows he can say literally anything and get away with it. This is a guy who got the evangelical vote a day after the pope said he's not very christian! He's openly criticized Dubya and POWs lol. I honestly don't know what he could say or do at this point to turn people away. If he just came out and said he was trolling and his entire support base was retarded for voting for him he would probably just end up with even more voters because they "like his honesty"
Sanders is the only one who can compete with Trump because people respond to authenticity or the appearance of it and he genuinely seems sincere.
I feel like the entire world has gotten way more retarded in the last few years, between ISIS and Trump's candidacy and some other things. I said in chat I feel like my life is an ongoing lolcow event, because of stuff like this that's actually happening in the world that's really surreal. But the world has probably always been pretty retarded and it's just hitting a peak for the first time in awhile.

As Shakespeare put it in a few phrases

"When we are born, we cry that we are come to this great stage of fools."

" [Life] is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Hence, why I come and just enjoy the fiasco. If you find someone obnoxious and complain about it, you just end up becoming obnoxious yourself-- a fool screaming sound and fury. You either take action against it, becoming an actor, or just grab the popcorn and watch the great movie/play unfold before you, and laugh. Either works

 

[DuskEngine]

I'd say that it's more than likely that Trump will be the nominee. Even everyone else other than Rubio dropping out of the primary race wouldn't sway it in his favor.

It might be too late for that now, but I would say it would have definitely been a possibility earlier on in the game. Trump doesn't actually command a vast majority of Republicans as it might seem sometimes.

Right now, he has 25 to 30 percent of the vote in polls among the roughly 25 percent of Americans who identify as Republican. (That’s something like 6 to 8 percent of the electorate overall, or about the same share of people who think the Apollo moon landings were faked.)

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It seems like part of the problem is that the rest of the Republican field was so divided. The GOP is a big tent, and the part of it that votes for Trump didn't really see any alternative candidates doing what he did. On the other hand, the other Republican candidates are still competing to be more religious/pro-business/faith and family-friendly. This race has had a lot of frontrunners who saw the bottom fall out from them (Jeb!, Carson, now Cruz to some degree) and if the Repubs had only fielded one or two 'serious' candidates I would wager they probably could have beaten Trump.

 

[Vitriol]

In the UK their are certain seats where the class spread almost mirrors that of the country as a whole (Nuneaton, Edinburgh south etc) and wins in such seats generally show the whole election will go. Are there similar states in the US nominations? Are certain states watermarks? Are the states declared so far important?

 

[Dudeofteenage]

The Tea Party, insane as a lot of them are, can and will fuck members of their own party over to make an ideological point.

Many Tea Partiers aren't even Republicans.

Having said that does the Tea Party really exist anymore?

 

[Reddit Avenger]

Many Tea Partiers aren't even Republicans.

Having said that does the Tea Party really exist anymore?

Mostly in spirit, although I'm sure you'll find one or two assholes every once in a while rocking those awful 1700's period costumes. Sorta like that guy after an anime convention who doesn't realize it's over and time to go home.

 

[VLAD]

In the UK their are certain eats where the class spread almost mirrors that of the country as a whole (Nuneaton, Edinburgh south etc) and wins in such seats generally show the whole election will go. Are there similar states in the US nominations? Are certain states watermarks? Are the states declared so far important?

With primaries, it's tricky to find an example like that. There are a few "swing" states that can go either way, and those are usually good at showing a slice of the electorate as a whole. Ohio's the classic example - we even have a saying "as goes Ohio, so goes the nation."

Much like the UK, many areas have their own regional characteristics that put them far outside the norm when it comes to the rest of the country. Not all of America has a large tech sector and legalized weed like in Washington, and not all of America is racially divided as dramatically as, say, Missouri (but most of it is tbf imo fam). Swing states like Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, etc do a good job of combining lots of different demographic characteristics associated with other areas of the country. Michigan has prosperous city centers, as well as run-down Fallout 3 dystopias. It's got crazy rednecks in the boonies, wealthy white suburbs that could go either way, predominantly black urban areas, and lots of smaller pockets of immigrant communities. No area of America is the same, but there's always certain demographic trends that blur the lines between county and state.

Sorry for the long sperging, but the changing demographics of the country is a fascination of mine, especially in an electoral year like this.

 

[TrippinKahlua]

"as goes Delaware, so goes the nation

FTFY, but you are 100% correct.

But its more like, no Republican has won his election without winning Ohio.

It probably isn't as true for Democrats.

 

[Peter Capaldi]

I've been supporting Bernie for a long time now, but I am really fearing that Hillary deadlocked him out of the nomination thanks to the Superdelegates, and other cheap tricks (for example, giving out T-shirts at the Nevada caucus, pretending to be a group of nurses that support Bernie, but actually being Clinton supporters and having small HRC logos on the shirts, trying to trick Bernie supporters), and I'd hate to see what happens under her presidency. She won't change a lot and leave everything at status quo, but exactly that is the problem the US faces. On the other hand, Trump would make drastic changes, but I really think they're not the right ones, and I really wouldn't want to imagine what Trump could do if war broke out. Having him behind the nuke codes is a good recipe for imminent danger.

 

[Hodor]

You're not the only one. There's something mesmerizing about someone who can effortlessly deflect so many attacks. Even the most seasoned politicians have a hard time doing that. Trump does it effortlessly.

A trump presidency would damage America but it's so damn entertaining watching him work

I don't like Trump as a politician, but honestly, his antics this election makes me love him as an entertainer.

If I didn't know any better, I'd say he's been pulling some Andy Kaufmann-esc ruse cruise this entire time.

 

[XYZpdq]

Why is there assumption that if Trump won the election that anybody in the House or Senate would play ball with him?

Seems like he would be loathed by both parties pretty hard and he's clearly incapable of working with people, so it would be four years of a whole lot of nothing.

 

[RepQuest]

Trump would make drastic changes

He's making some big promises that he probably can't deliver on and his excesses would most likely be contained by a Republican Congress. They would be contained even more so under a Democratic one, but I expect Republicans to maintain their majorities in both houses. Trump's ideas will probably influence policy for decades to come, regardless of whether he wins the Republican nomination or not, let alone the presidency. On the other hand, we've seen how Obama handles executive power with an uncooperative Congress, and that's very unsettling knowing many of the things that Trump has said.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

He's making some big promises that he probably can't deliver on

So, we're not getting the Great Wall of Trump?

 

[Dudeofteenage]

Mostly in spirit

Well in spirit the Tea Party has existed since the actual Boston Tea Party

 

[RepQuest]

So, we're not getting the Great Wall of Trump?

Probably not. There might be more patrols on the border, length added to the border fences that have already been put up, and more deportations than are happening now, but probably not on the scale that Trump advocates, even with a cooperative Congress.

 

[Lorento]

The saddest thing I saw was Hilary's victory speech in that last state she won. She walks up to the podium and behind her are rows of women, all with shirts reading 'She represents me.' And you all know exactly why they voted for her, because she's a woman.

How sad is it that in 2016, we still vote for people because of their genitalia rather than the content of their character and policies. Though Bill was also there, so maybe they were just trying to get him to pay attention to them?

 

[Reddit Avenger]

Well in spirit the Tea Party has existed since the actual Boston Tea Party

I mean more in terms of the "Tea Party Movement's" influence on modern politics, with things such as increased disdain for insiders and increased rhetoric about "true conservatives". While it certainly didn't start any of these trends, you can certainly make an argument it accelerated it dramatically.

Why is there assumption that if Trump won the election that anybody in the House or Senate would play ball with him?

Seems like he would be loathed by both parties pretty hard and he's clearly incapable of working with people, so it would be four years of a whole lot of nothing.

I dunno, the fact that he's seemingly a shoe in for the nomination in spite of well...everything makes me believe he could do virtually anything like some kind of reality-bending political wizard. I'm convinced the motherfucker could re-institute the draft if he really wanted to.

 

[Dudeofteenage]

I mean more in terms of the "Tea Party Movement's" influence on modern politics, with things such as increased disdain for insiders and increased rhetoric about "true conservatives". While it certainly didn't start any of these trends, you can certainly make an argument it accelerated it dramatically.

I dunno, my conviction remains that the Tea Party was really just a rebranding of a force that had always been present in American politics, and that attempts to analyse it as some kind of product of short-term events (Obama's election, the GFC, Mercury being in retrograde, w/e) were quite pointless. So it's fading because the brand has lost its lustre. But the people who believed in the Tea Party's values are still there, still believe the same thing, and still behave the same way. Just as they did five years before the Tea Party was a thing.

 

[AnOminous]

Having said that does the Tea Party really exist anymore?

They got a bit buttmad after most of the candidates who used their support just turned around and became typical Republicans once they were elected.