MASSIVE Erection Thread 2016 - Lizard has the advantage. Trump is spiraling towards defeat.

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All discussion of the candidates, updates and results should go here

For example- here's a video of Ted Cruz vying for world domination.

Also Hilary Clinton is a crook and nobody should have sex with her.

Discuss

(Note- The title will change as we get nearer the election, previous titles will be archived in the OP)

 

[XYZpdq]

Was that really Triumph the Insult Comic Dog behind that guy's head?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Unsurprisingly, Clinton won, so now begins four months of pandering over two people the majority of the US collectively hates.

I do seriously wonder if the main objective at the end of this is now 'vote for the lesser evil'

 

[DZ 305]

I love the exceptional comparisons of trump with fascist dictatorship

The only Italian leader Trump resembles is Berlusconi.

I think it goes deeper than that. You had Democrats screaming 'America Was Never Great' outside the RNC and yesterday they also had literally zero American flags on stage and the pledge of allegiance was booed and people screamed over it and added words

Its like they are secret Republicans trying to make Democrats look like the caricatures Limbaugh said they are



McCain had the opportunity to leave Hanoi Hilton early but refused to be used as propaganda so he stayed an extra three years getting tortured.

He's a hero.


Too bad he's a complete fucking shithead as a politician though

Why? I've kept a small eye on him in Congress and all the bills he introduced seem to be actually helpful to Arizona and the nation. Or am I missing something?

 

[Without A Gout]

Unsurprisingly, Clinton won, so now begins four months of pandering over two people the majority of the US collectively hates.

I do seriously wonder if the main objective at the end of this is now 'vote for the lesser evil'

Because that worked so well for America in 2004. It's like picking how you want to die. Either way you choose, you're going to be dead.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Because that worked so well for America in 2004. It's like picking how you want to die. Either way you choose, you're going to be dead.

I've never seen more cynicism towards our government then I have in the past year. It should be a wakeup call to the parties, they need to change themselves and address the actual concerns of communities or their legitimacy is going to go totally down the tank and they're going to end up with something they can't control. As far as most of the public is concerned they're all a bunch of lying crooks in the pocket of corporate America (which they are, frankly).

Idiots like Trump are just one expression of the fact that the majority of the population is pretty much flipping these people off 24/7 nowadays. People will take anybody, literally fucking anybody, who will at least give a voice to their anger (even if that voice is totally incoherent and batshit insane).

If our electoral system and economy doesn't change in a meaningful way then sooner or later that powder keg is going to explode in a way our government won't be able to control. And the strange thing is they seem to know that's the case (hence the constant expansion of domestic surveillance and criminalization of activism coordinated by the DHS and FBI).

 

[Null]

Bernie has removed himself from the Democratic party following a role call vote in which Bernie beat Hillary. His delegates are now banned from the floor.

 

[feedtheoctopus]

Not a single mention of ISIS or terrorism during the whole first night of the RNC. They didn't even bother using Orlando to attack "right-wing homophobic rhetoric" or "the climate of hate that shows we cant let Donald Trump win" or something.

In the bigger picture that's a good thing. ISIS is committing attacks in the west because it's actually losing territory in Syria and Iraq. Little by little they're losing the war. They've taken to attacking the west in an attempt to disrupt our politics and spread division which they can exploit, specifically amongst Muslim refugees. They did the same thing when they were still Al Qaeda. They blew up Shia pilgrims in Iraq, when engendered retaliatory attacks from Shia militias, which in turn convinced Sunnis that Al Qaeda (later ISIS) was a better option for them then the Shia dominated Iraqi government and the (more or less genocidal) militias.

Doing things like that is how ISIS got to the point where it's as strong as it is. And sure enough they realize they can do the same thing in the west as a way of getting us to pull out of the middle east and pushing the Muslim population towards them. I think a mistake people make about a group like ISIS is that groups like that really only thrive in the midst of extreme instability and division. If you're terrified of them they've already pretty much won. Fear turns people into idiots who don't think about the broader ramifications of their actions. More than that it breeds hatred which can be exploited.

They know this. The Republicans don't. The Democrats don't either, really, though they're trying to appear "inclusive" which is better than pretending ISIS is stronger than it actually is (which helps them).

That being said terrorism works because people are fuckin' idiots who will never pay attention to anything I just brought up. So get ready for Trump, America.

 

[Piga Dgrifm]

Bernie has removed himself from the Democratic party following a role call vote in which Bernie beat Hillary. His delegates are now banned from the floor.

Sauce?

 

[Picklechu]

Both conventions have been clusterfucks. At least we're only about two or three weeks away from polls actually having predictive power.

I just found out Jill Stein supports BDS.

Now who am I gonna vote for?

Gary Johnson.

(Or a write-in. Or, I'd be happy to let you know which candidates are on the ballot in your state as of this moment. Seriously, just vote for someone, even if it's just to keep Clinton or Trump from a mandate.)

 

[Lurker]

Both conventions have been clusterfucks. At least we're only about two or three weeks away from polls actually having predictive power.


Gary Johnson.

(Or a write-in. Or, I'd be happy to let you know which candidates are on the ballot in your state as of this moment. Seriously, just vote for someone, even if it's just to keep Clinton or Trump from a mandate.)

Or she could not vote for anyone. And I don't mean "don't show up", but rather she can elect to vote for no one officially. That is actually an option.

 

[XYZpdq]

Or she could not vote for anyone. And I don't mean "don't show up", but rather she can elect to vote for no one officially. That is actually an option.

At least write in Nixon or something in case they try to punch your butterfly chads.

 

[AnOminous]

In the bigger picture that's a good thing. ISIS is committing attacks in the west because it's actually losing territory in Syria and Iraq. Little by little they're losing the war.

Actually occupying territory is their biggest mistake. It gives specific positions to attack and a measurable metric by which their success can be measured. This means when they lose that territory, they will be obviously, visibly losing by their own chosen criteria. A lot of "winning" a war is simply having defined situations in which victory occurs and then achieving those in an unambiguous way.

They have set themselves up to lose.

 

[Ahffline]

Bill's speech lagged in the centre, but he's certainly picked it up at the end. Made me a bit nostalgic for the 90s.
He and Reagan have always been my favorite POTUS, in terms of oratory ability.

 

[IwegalBadnik]

Actually occupying territory is their biggest mistake. It gives specific positions to attack and a measurable metric by which their success can be measured. This means when they lose that territory, they will be obviously, visibly losing by their own chosen criteria. A lot of "winning" a war is simply having defined situations in which victory occurs and then achieving those in an unambiguous way.

They have set themselves up to lose.

The infrastructure of a warring nation can be a blessing and a curse. While it can provide you with material goods with which to fight the enemy, it also provides that same enemy with valuable targets should they be able to access them. In addition, dependence on that vulnerable infrastructure can soften the enemy populace related to it. (Think what you take for granted: power, running water, natural gas, etc.)

An old quote from the Vietnam War era was that "you cannot bomb [someone] back into the Stone Age if they are already there."

ISIS can't be accused of being terribly modern so in that regard, I'd say that the above quote is a generally good fit. More creative measures than simple carpet bombing are needed from whoever takes over and succeeds Obama.

 

[Sweet and Savoury]

I saw a tweet just reporting that the DNC yanked the credentials from all Bernie supporters and they will not be allowed back into the convention tomorrow.

Edit: its seems most of the Bernie delegates just walked out of the convention, get your popcorn ready!

 

[Ariel]

In the bigger picture that's a good thing. ISIS is committing attacks in the west because it's actually losing territory in Syria and Iraq. Little by little they're losing the war. They've taken to attacking the west in an attempt to disrupt our politics and spread division which they can exploit, specifically amongst Muslim refugees. They did the same thing when they were still Al Qaeda. They blew up Shia pilgrims in Iraq, when engendered retaliatory attacks from Shia militias, which in turn convinced Sunnis that Al Qaeda (later ISIS) was a better option for them then the Shia dominated Iraqi government and the (more or less genocidal) militias.

Doing things like that is how ISIS got to the point where it's as strong as it is. And sure enough they realize they can do the same thing in the west as a way of getting us to pull out of the middle east and pushing the Muslim population towards them. I think a mistake people make about a group like ISIS is that groups like that really only thrive in the midst of extreme instability and division. If you're terrified of them they've already pretty much won. Fear turns people into idiots who don't think about the broader ramifications of their actions. More than that it breeds hatred which can be exploited.

They know this. The Republicans don't. The Democrats don't either, really, though they're trying to appear "inclusive" which is better than pretending ISIS is stronger than it actually is (which helps them).

That being said terrorism works because people are fuckin' idiots who will never pay attention to anything I just brought up. So get ready for Trump, America.

Its actually not that strong.
ISIS was part of Al Qaeda, but it isn't an evolution of Al Qaeda. Al Nusra is Al Qaeda.
That theory hasn't worked well so far. The US keeps on accidentally arming terrorists.
Assisting Kurds and backing them up with air strikes has been successful.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I saw a tweet just reporting that the DNC yanked the credentials from all Bernie supporters and they will not be allowed back into the convention tomorrow.

Edit: its seems most of the Bernie delegates just walked out of the convention, get your popcorn ready!

Lol they just lost the election

 

[Gym Leader Elesa]

Its actually not that strong.
ISIS was part of Al Qaeda, but it isn't an evolution of Al Qaeda. Al Nusra is Al Qaeda.
That theory hasn't worked well so far. The US keeps on accidentally arming terrorists.
Assisting Kurds and backing them up with air strikes has been successful.

Ah yes, though Gods forbid we allow the Kurds to become an independent nation state even though they have struggled for over a century, want a progressive democracy, would form a stable liberal government comparable to that of Israel and are the only other group of people in the Middle East who have the right idea and the numbers to be worth supporting.

No, protect the territorial integrity of fucking Iraq. We made that decision over seventy years ago so now we have to stick with it forever. Because rule of law/we would look weak or something. Apparently. Also because we care what Erdogan thinks?

If anyone running actually acknowledges the utility and justness of the Kurdish cause, even as a token issue, I might put my support behind them immediately.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Tbh fam those are the only Kurds we care about in America

 

[IwegalBadnik]

Ah yes, though Gods forbid we allow the Kurds to become an independent nation state even though they have struggled for over a century, want a progressive democracy, would form a stable liberal government comparable to that of Israel and are the only other group of people in the Middle East who have the right idea and the numbers to be worth supporting.

No, protect the territorial integrity of fucking Iraq. We made that decision over seventy years ago so now we have to stick with it forever. Because rule of law/we would look weak or something. Apparently. Also because we care what Erdogan thinks?

If anyone running actually acknowledges the utility and justness of the Kurdish cause, even as a token issue, I might put my support behind them immediately.

In light of Erdogan's recent activities, busting his balls (to put it mildly) should be something every nation ought to strive for.

It is that sort of thing, which is exactly why we aren't going to step up and lead the way. Much better to just sit on our hands and let some asshole fuck over his people because he has something we want (military bases in the neighborhood; territory abreast of Russia, ME; etc.). Way better than upholding our stated principles and beliefs--by a mile.

Hillary has already said that her policy with regard to Turkey will be more of the same--simple enablement.