Opinion Mask Mandates Are Illogical. So What?

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When the mayor of Washington, D.C., announced changes to the city’s mask mandate last week, spit hit the fan. As of March 1, District residents will need to cover up in order to attend school, go to a library, or ride in a taxi. But gyms, sports arenas, concert venues, and houses of worship—you know, all the places where people like to breathe hard or sing and shout in close proximity—will be facial free-for-alls.

If the goal of mask policies is to reduce transmission of the coronavirus as much as possible, then D.C.’s new rules are difficult to reason out. Why should children, who are generally at low risk of severe disease, have to mask while sitting quietly in class when their more vulnerable elders can sing, unmasked, in church? It seems arbitrary, inconsistent, absurd.

Then again, so does just about every community mask mandate. If the rules don’t apply equally in different settings, they’re unfair. If they do, they’re ridiculous: Good luck complying in a restaurant, bar, or airport food court. Pointing out the logical flaws in mask mandates is easy. Fixing them is hard—and important. Cases may be trending down in nearly every part of the United States, but this surge will almost certainly not be our last, just as Omicron will almost certainly not be the last variant to infect the world. When infection rates begin to rise again, local and state governments can try to implement mask policies that actually make sense to the people being ordered around.

Take my city, Baltimore, as an example. Everyone older than 2 must wear a mask “indoors at any location other than a private home,” including at “Foodservice Establishments.” Yet indoor dining, which is associated with increasing COVID-19 transmission rates, has been allowed for more than a year, and diners do not need to be vaccinated. Performers are allowed to sing, speak, and play the oboe sans mask, despite the fact that maskless music has been known to be a potent source of contagion since the early days of the pandemic. I frequently walk past restaurants with mask required for entry signs taped to the front door and their windows fogged up from the breath of maskless patrons. And in spaces where masks are both required and feasible—say, pharmacies and grocery stores—hardly anyone is enforcing their use.

It all feels rather performative and silly. Why have a mandate if it can be so easily ignored? “The public sees right through that, and I think that’s led to a lot of the backlash,” Joseph Allen, the director of Harvard’s Healthy Buildings program, told me. To Allen, mask mandates’ contradictions and compliance failures are signs that the U.S. should stop trying so hard to influence human behavior, and start focusing on improving ventilation and filtration in buildings. Masking, because it’s obviously visible and has become unavoidably politicized, is the pandemic-mitigation strategy that’s easiest for most people to notice—which might explain why it’s received so much attention from the public and the media. But structural improvements can operate in the background, protecting people without making them feel inconvenienced.

One common (though not definitively proven) argument against mask mandates is that they don’t actually change people’s behavior: People who would’ve masked anyway cover up, and people who don’t want to mask wear theirs badly or ignore the rules. “Anyone who has been in any sort of public location at any time during the pandemic recognizes that mask mandates are not followed consistently,” says David Dowdy, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University. But even disregarded mandates could affect people in other, helpful ways. “From my perspective, the main benefit is not so much the masking itself, but the message to society that this wave is not yet over,” Dowdy told me. A mask mandate may not magically swaddle the faces of everyone in its jurisdiction, but it could remind already enthusiastic maskers to avoid large gatherings, or lead non-maskers to give the people around them a little more space.

Mask mandates are easier to enforce in highly controlled environments, such as schools. A particular state’s or city’s values and political makeup matter for compliance too. “If it’s a community in which most people are already going to mask and you just need to convince a few more, in that case a mandate actually might be beneficial,” says Tara Kirk Sell, a senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. Such communities are widespread: About two-thirds of Americans have consistently supported the idea of a state or local mask mandate since August, when a bimonthly Axios/Ipsos poll first started asking the question.

The other 30-something percent of the American public likely includes people who have lost faith in mask mandates that don’t seem to make sense. The way for decision makers to earn back their trust, Kirk Sell told me, is by listening to each community, taking their needs seriously, and tailoring policies to fit them. A town whose top priorities are keeping schools open and local business afloat could mandate masks and testing in schools, but allow adults to go mask-free in bars, which students can avoid. A town that wants to avoid straining its hospitals might flatten the curve by enforcing mask requirements in high-capacity settings such as concert halls and sports arenas. If rules are going to be applied unevenly—with mask mandates in some locations but not others—the tightest restrictions should apply in buildings such as grocery stores, workplaces, post offices, and schools, says Anne Sosin, a public-health expert at Dartmouth College. These are not necessarily the places where the virus is most likely to spread, but elderly and immunocompromised people may not be able to avoid them as easily as they could a bar or a hockey game.

“I think that people have this expectation that everything has to be perfect, as far as how the logic works together,” Kirk Sell said. But no mandate is ever going to be perfectly consistent, and that’s okay. Mask policies can still make sense, so long as they serve a community’s shared goals.

Rachel Gutman is a senior associate editor at The Atlantic.
 
“I think that people have this expectation that everything has to be perfect, as far as how the logic works together,” Kirk Sell said. But no mandate is ever going to be perfectly consistent, and that’s okay. Mask policies can still make sense, so long as they serve a community’s shared goals.
Literally "Feels over reals"

The retards who believe this shit deserve to have their basic civil rights violated on a daily basis.
 
I frequently walk past restaurants with mask required for entry signs taped to the front door and their windows fogged up from the breath of maskless patrons.

lmao shut the hell up. this dude is so cucked he literally imagines people just breathing and talking together creates a persistent cloud of viral death fog like some Dungeons & Dragons shit.

But even disregarded mandates could affect people in other, helpful ways. “From my perspective, the main benefit is not so much the masking itself, but the message to society that this wave is not yet over,” Dowdy told me. A mask mandate may not magically swaddle the faces of everyone in its jurisdiction, but it could remind already enthusiastic maskers to avoid large gatherings, or lead non-maskers to give the people around them a little more space.

and this part gives away the game - mask mandates aren't ultimately about protecting people from the virus, it's about creating more social rules that libs can pat themselves on the back for following. scientific method? deductive logic? common sense? why are you trying to take away my good boy points, are you a science denier?
 
If the goal of mask policies is to reduce transmission of the coronavirus as much as possible, then D.C.’s new rules are difficult to reason out. Why should children, who are generally at low risk of severe disease, have to mask while sitting quietly in class when their more vulnerable elders can sing, unmasked, in church? It seems arbitrary, inconsistent, absurd.
You're right, if only we were smart and forced people to wear masks at all times while in public or in gathering places.
 
>Rachel Gutman
Die Jüdin writes out an article as she masks you.
 
Imagine living where the government can make you wear a covering over your face just because they feel like it.
 
Doesn't matter when masks don't work to begin with.
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Lets see what the bad guys say
 
Masking up is the woke liberal version of a MAGA hat.
They will continue to wear the mask until public mockery has created enough peer pressure to get them to stop.
 
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>The real-world effectiveness of face coverings to prevent acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection has not been widely studied.

>consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection

It hasn't been studied, but it works dammit, wear the fucking mask.
 
fucking sceince denier idiot blumf and his policies has put american lives at risk! finally adults in charge, I fucking love science!... ok so our policies make no fucking sense so what!
those people are all mentally ill

>The real-world effectiveness of face coverings to prevent acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection has not been widely studied.

>consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection

It hasn't been studied, but it works dammit, wear the fucking mask.
back when chink flu was relatively new and I was more into researching it, I noticed that the CDC guidance website used the most skillfully crafted weasel words to tell you that you should wear a mask, but there's no proof they do anything at all, but still you should do it. It was few months into the whole thing, and by that time the professionals in charge managed to go from "don't wear masks they dont do nothing" to "wear a mask, ut only a N95 mask works, none of that handmade shit" to "please wear any mask ok?" so not like it mattered at that point, it was obvious they are full of shit
 
>The real-world effectiveness of face coverings to prevent acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection has not been widely studied.

>consistently wearing a comfortable, well-fitting face mask or respirator in indoor public settings protects against acquisition of SARS-CoV-2 infection

It hasn't been studied, but it works dammit, wear the fucking mask.
Literally that is what this study does, it is studying something that has only been studied in the lab. Read the study for Christ's sake.
 
I’m tired of having pointless shit strapped to my face.

Is that not a good enough reason to not do it?
 
Literally that is what this study does, it is studying something that has only been studied in the lab. Read the study for Christ's sake.
That's the thing, the effectiveness of masks has been known for quite a while, they work well for their intended use case, in a hospital, while working close to patients., the mask is then discarded immediately into a biohazard bin upon the task being complete. Masks in those situations are changed every few minutes.

There's no way in hell carrying around a piece of cloth in your pocket, bag, whatever, that gets touched with their hands over and over, taken on and off and used all day is fucking effective in any way. As soon as those things become saturated with your breath, it's going nothing.

Also, if you can smell someone's fart, or cigarette while wearing it, well both fart particles and smoke particles are a lot larger than viruses....
 
Yesterday, I went to get some $3.60/gallon gas, and because I spent time making sure to half-fill my tank, I afterwards accidentally walked into a gas station/fast-food store without my mask and went about my usual business there.

I'm pretty sure a mask mandate was made in my state until April, but absolutely nobody told me I was maskless, and I was somehow none the wiser. I live in a strong blue county in a strong blue state.

I'm one of the few people I know who decided to get a proper respirator for all this, and I got vaccinated when they were released to the general public because I wanted to do community service (and then it turned out I needed to get vaccinated for my employment, anyways-- I might have mistakenly said in the past that I got vaccinated for my employment to begin with). At the start, it was out of concern for the people I live with and the desire to give myself the best protection I could given what I wanted to do (now, it's more of "you asked me to wear a mask, well I'm wearing a mask that counts, so stop lecturing me with your shirt mask you're not even covering your nose with you dork").

Now, though, even I'm forgetting about it.

I wonder how long this can be kept up for. For some reason, they chose to designate a "sub-variant" that "spreads more quickly" instead of considering it a separate variant altogether, so I imagine they're running out of yarn. But I'm expecting The Science will only give it a rest after enough people start forgetting/stop caring altogether.
3/4 of America's problems would go away if you remove women's right to vote.
Aren't you also women?
 
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Did you actually look at the couple studies they did on this, studies which are the only "proofs" of paper and rags suddenly becoming effective PPE? I'll summarize one of the better ones (there's only a few real ones anyway) for you:

Study was put together using dummies (?) to test mask efficacy by determining whether they reduced initial viral load. First they put 1 (one) "tight-fitting and sealing" mask of what would have to be a fairly restrictive, tightly woven material on both dummies. TBH it read almost like they taped the thing down at the edges. They didn't get very good results out of this, so they moved to stage 2 of forcing the hypothesis.

Second they put 2 (two) masks on BOTH dummies and again really made sure that shit was plastered down at the edges, not exactly sure how but they refer to it. In this situation, BOTH "humans" masked in 2 restrictive layers, the top one sealing down the bottom one, they claimed to see a "50-80%" reduction in initial viral load. Nobody actually knows what that reduction means in terms of pathology, but I'll accept that it's a significant improvement.

The problem? Nobody wears what they used, nobody seals their rags to their face or wears multiple restrictive ones, nobody doffs/dons correctly or throws away their masks after a few hours every time, also people don't all wear them 24/7. They admit in the study that their conclusions aren't reflective of reality because they're essentially perfect conditions that never happen - like they actually say that towards the end. No shit, because all they were doing in the study was attempting to mimic actual PPE by attaining a seal and increasing filtration via multiple layers, if everyone was wearing actual fit-tested PPE everywhere then of course you'd see an effect.

What's stopping crazy people from wearing half-face p100's? I'm not insane so I don't care that you're exhaling unfiltered air, but since you're scared to death just wear actual PPE and shut up. Bonus you'll look even stupider and have to shout to be heard (small blessings). Funny thing about PPE is that it's sufficient when used alone to keep the USER safe, I don't recall any OSHA training that said you had to put a mask on a container of volatiles to see 50-80% reduction in you getting isocyanate-related kidney failure.
 
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