💼 Careercow Martin Shkreli - Former Pharma Exec, Criminal, Impotent Rageaholic

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DragoonSierra said:
Everyone deserves a competent defense attorney.
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That's not what's happening here.

Defence attournies are supposed to keep clients from getting screwed over past the point they deserve. That doesn't mean they should get them off completely when their guilt is obvious.

Remember To Kill a Mockingbird? Tom Robinson wasn't actually Atticus Finch's first capital case. His first was with the Haverfore Brothers long before the story began, and he didn't try to get them off. All he tried to do was to get them to plea down so they could avoid the noose since, unlike Tom Robinson, Atticus knew these men were guilty. But the Haverfores refused, since they wanted to get off entirely, and they insisted "the sunnuvah bitch had it coming" was a good enough defence for anybody.

This is why our country's criminal justice system's fucked. We measure prosecutorial quality via their skill in getting people convicted, defence attournies via their skill of getting people off, and completely ignore that trials are supposed to be for determining what really happened and what should really be done.
 
PTNR 2.0 said:
Anyway, as most people are aware at this point, the dude is basically king troll and any chimping he does has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. He deletes tweets when certain trolling angles don't pan out, keeping only those that cause the most salt from the people reading it. He's 100% self aware. His persona is 50% comic book super villain and 50% a white version of those "Rich Nigga Shit" videos Soulja Boi used to do.

While he's definitely an asshole and also a criminal, I'm on the fence about him being a lolcow. Any milk from him is probably tainted by him being in on the joke. He's just a rich kid who likes to fuck with people and create chaos. I agree with whoever said he'd probably fit in well enough here. As the old saying goes, "There but for the grace of God, 40 million dollars and a desire to fuck with AIDS patients, go I.'
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I think you're mixing up "has trolled in the past" with "his whole plan was trolling from the beginning". It's obvious there's lots that took him from behind in the shower and he's really scrambling to deal with it. He certainly is trying to play it off as "just as planned" but he's not doing the best job at it.

Edit: I don't know what I was thinking when I wrote this post. By "took him from behind in the shower", I was trying to say "took him by surprise".
*Asterisk* said:
That's not what's happening here.

Defence attournies are supposed to keep clients from getting screwed over past the point they deserve. That doesn't mean they should get them off completely when their guilt is obvious.

Remember To Kill a Mockingbird? Tom Robinson wasn't actually Atticus Finch's first capital case. His first was with the Haverfore Brothers long before the story began, and he didn't try to get them off. All he tried to do was to get them to plea down so they could avoid the noose since, unlike Tom Robinson, Atticus knew these men were guilty. But the Haverfores refused, since they wanted to get off entirely, and they insisted "the sunnuvah bitch had it coming" was a good enough defence for anybody.

This is why our country's criminal justice system's fucked. We measure prosecutorial quality via their skill in getting people convicted, defence attournies via their skill of getting people off, and completely ignore that trials are supposed to be for determining what really happened and what should really be done.
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Nonsense, our criminal justice system is fine. Criminal justice is diametrically opposed to personal freedom. We do want to catch criminals, but when your priority is personal freedom, you want the measures you listed to be in place. That is to say, a good defense attorney works for his client, not the state, nor the greater good.
 
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Agreed, the US justice system is adversarial in nature, defense attorneys are supposed to fight the state's contentions against their client because it's recognized that the balance of power is already heavily stacked against them. Compared to even a wealthy person, the government has near infinite resources and time to prosecute you. The state has to prove it, the defense does not legally or morally have to help them in any way. If a defense attorney feels so morally outraged that they can't in good faith take a case, that's one thing. But, I'll never hold it against them, that's their obligation. He's not helping a guilty person "get off", until convicted, YOU AREN'T GUILTY.

It's the Judge and jury's job to act in the "greater good" and honestly apply the rules of law and their best judgement to determine guilt. Not the defense attorney.

And our system is not "fucked" because a person can "get off".

On the contrary, conviction rates hover around 90%

ANd, having served on a jury (yes, power level, but relevant) where the defendant was guilty as hell of theft, we did acquit them on two counts because the prosecution didn't meet the burden of proof. Maybe they forgot, maybe they figured that once they got the ball rolling we'd convict on inertia, I don't know, but, they never entered into evidence anything that showed conclusively that the property in question was ever in the defendant's possession. No bank records, no suspicious spending, no eyewitnesses, nothing. Were they "guilty as hell"? Oh yes, we convicted on the other EIGHT charges of what amounted to over $200,000 in theft over a 4 year span, but, that was proven. The defendant probably did steal that last missing $10,000, but, it wasn't proven, the defense attorney pointed out it hadn't been proven, and we agreed. That's a "fucked" system? I don't think so. That's a WORKING system that won't' just rubber-stamp the work of the government if they don't do their due diligence even against an obviously guilty party.

And the defendant in this case wasn't even rich, she was grade-A trailer trash that had already spent all the pilfered money on pickups and a new double-wide, it's not like the rules change based on your personal wealth, nor should they.
 
TowinKarz said:
Agreed, the US justice system is adversarial in nature, defense attorneys are supposed to fight the state's contentions against their client because it's recognized that the balance of power is already heavily stacked against them. Compared to even a wealthy person, the government has near infinite resources and time to prosecute you. The state has to prove it, the defense does not legally or morally have to help them in any way. If a defense attorney feels so morally outraged that they can't in good faith take a case, that's one thing. But, I'll never hold it against them, that's their obligation. He's not helping a guilty person "get off", until convicted, YOU AREN'T GUILTY.

It's the Judge and jury's job to act in the "greater good" and honestly apply the rules of law and their best judgement to determine guilt. Not the defense attorney.

And our system is not "fucked" because a person can "get off".

On the contrary, conviction rates hover around 90%

ANd, having served on a jury (yes, power level, but relevant) where the defendant was guilty as hell of theft, we did acquit them on two counts because the prosecution didn't meet the burden of proof. Maybe they forgot, maybe they figured that once they got the ball rolling we'd convict on inertia, I don't know, but, they never entered into evidence anything that showed conclusively that the property in question was ever in the defendant's possession. No bank records, no suspicious spending, no eyewitnesses, nothing. Were they "guilty as hell"? Oh yes, we convicted on the other EIGHT charges of what amounted to over $200,000 in theft over a 4 year span, but, that was proven. The defendant probably did steal that last missing $10,000, but, it wasn't proven, the defense attorney pointed out it hadn't been proven, and we agreed. That's a "fucked" system? I don't think so. That's a WORKING system that won't' just rubber-stamp the work of the government if they don't do their due diligence even against an obviously guilty party.

And the defendant in this case wasn't even rich, she was grade-A trailer trash that had already spent all the pilfered money on pickups and a new double-wide, it's not like the rules change based on your personal wealth, nor should they.
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I agree completely with this but the thing to keep in mind is that, even if he does get off scot free because of a high end lawyer, he still deserves to be fisted in prison until his colon slides out of his ass like a happy seal.

We can all agree OJ did it but we were also afforded the rest of the world / karma repaying OJ for being a shit-sack. We're waiting on the same for this dude. You feel me?
 
PTNR 2.0 said:
While he's definitely an asshole and also a criminal, I'm on the fence about him being a lolcow. Any milk from him is probably tainted by him being in on the joke. He's just a rich kid who likes to fuck with people and create chaos. I agree with whoever said he'd probably fit in well enough here. As the old saying goes, "There but for the grace of God, 40 million dollars and a desire to fuck with AIDS patients, go I.'
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I think he's an lolcow. The media has lost their fascination with him but he's pretty desperate for attention still. He's resorted to weird live streams with teenage fanboys.
 
anephric said:
I agree completely with this but the thing to keep in mind is that, even if he does get off scot free because of a high end lawyer, he still deserves to be fisted in prison until his colon slides out of his ass like a happy seal.

We can all agree OJ did it but we were also afforded the rest of the world / karma repaying OJ for being a shit-sack. We're waiting on the same for this dude. You feel me?
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Prosecution fucked up so hard with OJ though. They were also delt the Mark Ferman card which is like having the Old Maid.
 
Still waiting for the big reveal when we find out that Million Dollar Extreme has been behind Martin Shkreli the whole time.
 
He thinks leftists hit squads are after them.

Clive Bundy and company think rightist hit squads are after them..

Makes me envision both hit squads starting the morning at a coffee shop and comparing notes.

"We got that pill pusher, who you guys got this week?"
 
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TowinKarz said:
He thinks leftists hit squads are after them.

Clive Bundy and company think rightist hit squads are after them..

Makes me envision both hit squads starting the morning at a coffee shop and comparing notes.

"We got that pill pusher, who you guys got this week?"
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Left wingers hate guns. What would a left wing hit squad use? Dildos and piano wire?
 
I was watching the epipen oversight hearing live. Guess who showed up?
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This looks like it might be a wild ride. It looks like earlier he was trying to purchase 4chan but has settled for some compromise.
 

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Nano said:
This looks like it might be a wild ride. It looks like earlier he was trying to purchase 4chan but has settled for some compromise.
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you thought the aids patients raged when he increased the costs of those pills, just wait until he charges admission for anons to shitpost.
 
PTNR 2.0 said:
Anyway, as most people are aware at this point, the dude is basically king troll and any chimping he does has to be taken with a huge grain of salt. He deletes tweets when certain trolling angles don't pan out, keeping only those that cause the most salt from the people reading it. He's 100% self aware. His persona is 50% comic book super villain and 50% a white version of those "Rich Nigga Shit" videos Soulja Boi used to do.

While he's definitely an asshole and also a criminal, I'm on the fence about him being a lolcow. Any milk from him is probably tainted by him being in on the joke. He's just a rich kid who likes to fuck with people and create chaos. I agree with whoever said he'd probably fit in well enough here. As the old saying goes, "There but for the grace of God, 40 million dollars and a desire to fuck with AIDS patients, go I.'
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Sorry for the late response, but I have mixed feelings about this.
I think that Martin is absolutely a rich kid who likes to fuck around, but I also think that 'trolling' is Martin's go-to excuse for behavior that does't play well with his audience. Y'know, that ancient lolcow behavior of shitting things up for yourself and proudly proclaiming 'all according to plan!'
I think that while he does deliberately stir up shit, he also gets caught with his pants down and pretends it's trolling.

For example, the initial media blitz about the price hikes didn't seem engineered, yet Marty tried to play it off like it was. In that Vice interview, he (and their writers) identify him as 'playing the villain,' but all the arguments he presents in the video revolve around why hiking the prices wasn't so bad, not what reasons he would have to create such a persona or what his ultimate goal was. He has the interview take place while playing chess with the obvious intention of framing himself as a mastermind. It was like the ultimate 'all according to plan gaiz.'

Tl;dr while I think Martin has some measure of self-awareness and isn't always sincere, I think he's chosen to frame his behavior as trolling because it not only gives him an easy out whenever he embarasses himself, but he knows there's a demographic that will idolize him for it
 
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