Malcolm in the Middle - Why nobody is speaking about it?

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Samuel Fuller said:
It was never edited out, more than likely nobody knew or gave a shit about it aside from wrestling fans, and by the time Benoit killed Vince McMahon's secret family, the show was in syndication and redoing the opening wouldn't be bothered with.
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thinking back I wonder if Japan even remembered they made Nazca to come calling for royalties
 
this show is sad, seeing these niggas old and droopy faced like me is sad, i dunno how people can find this appealing, i heard on 4chan that dewey was molested a lot by people involved in the show and bryan cranston felt bad about it so he was giving him birthday parties and nice things
 
lolcowtipper said:
If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think Hal was suggested to have some kind of OCD in the original show. Remember when Dewey invited that spergy kid over and he wouldn't calm down til Hal brought out his encyclopedia where he filled out all the empty spaces in the letters, revealing he himself had filled out several sets already? So maybe if not ADHD, definitely OCD.
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Ironically, having OCD would reinforce the ADHD theory since they have a high crossover rate.
 
lolcowtipper said:
If I remember correctly, and correct me if I'm wrong, I think Hal was suggested to have some kind of OCD in the original show. Remember when Dewey invited that spergy kid over and he wouldn't calm down til Hal brought out his encyclopedia where he filled out all the empty spaces in the letters, revealing he himself had filled out several sets already? So maybe if not ADHD, definitely OCD.
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Yeah but like a lot of things it was a one-off
 
Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
this show is sad, seeing these niggas old and droopy faced like me is sad, i dunno how people can find this appealing, i heard on 4chan that dewey was molested a lot by people involved in the show and bryan cranston felt bad about it so he was giving him birthday parties and nice things
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Why not stop the molesting instead? Is that against his communist credo?
 
Sheriff Mike Chitwood said:
this show is sad, seeing these niggas old and droopy faced like me is sad, i dunno how people can find this appealing, i heard on 4chan that dewey was molested a lot by people involved in the show and bryan cranston felt bad about it so he was giving him birthday parties and nice things
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Quarterback Rex Grossman said:
Why not stop the molesting instead? Is that against his communist credo?
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There is literally no evidence that any of this happened. That was a rumor going around based on some Reddit post of someone claiming that they were a child actor who were abused on the sitcom they acted on. People thought it was Erik because the post claimed that the father on their show went on to be a bigger name on another show, but a lot of the other details mentioned in the post conflict with what is actually known about Erik's life.
 
LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2 said:
There is literally no evidence that any of this happened. That was a rumor going around based on some Reddit post of someone claiming that they were a child actor who were abused on the sitcom they acted on. People thought it was Erik because the post claimed that the father on their show went on to be a bigger name on another show, but a lot of the other details mentioned in the post conflict with what is actually known about Erik's life.
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Fucking thank you, I keep seeing that fucking Reddit post [which could just as easily be a creative writing exercise on OP's behalf] bandied about as definitive proof that Dewey/Erik Per Sullivan was molested while he worked on the show and I should think by now, given how many other child actors were involved in MITM, if someone on the show were a child rapist/pederast, we would have had someone either come forward or there would have been an arrest of some sort. By and large if someone is a pedophile and has progressed to molesting actual children, they don't just 'stop' one day, and eventually wind up arrested. We would know by now, where there's fire, there is most usually smoke. It sort of reminds me of all of that shit with Nickelodeon where people [especially on Reddit] act like Dan Schneider is some avowed, proven child rapist when in reality the accusations were "he was weird about putting foot stuff in his shows" and "he did some kinda weird shit from time to time that made people uncomfortable", the former of which... well, I don't know, maybe some of it is odd in hindsight but he did create children's shows, kids tend to find feet funny. And if we're going off of "did shit that made people feel uncomfortable sometimes" and treating it as evidence of pedophilia, by God that's going to be an extremely long list indeed.

I'm just as apt on cleansing Hollywood of the child rapist cabal of Baal worshipers or whatever the fuck as anyone else, but some of this shit grows legs and just ends up being schizoid shit. I suppose the theory is that Erik got out of acting and "disappeared" due to having been molested, but in reality he could have just as easily fucking decided acting wasn't for him and he didn't like public life or being well-known, sometimes people do that. Likewise Redditoids get pretty weird about him, trying to find recent photos of him or wondering where he lives now and shit, leave the fucking guy alone, he clearly isn't interested in having a public image anymore and wants to do other things and how much of interest [that is new] is he really going to have to say about a show that ended 20 years ago when almost all of the other people involved in it have given interviews and have always been willing to discuss it?

People on the subreddit just have a weird fucking obsession with the guy and likewise a lot of people have an obsession with believing that every single child actor/musician/etc. was brutally raped for years all throughout their career, I don't claim to know why, but it's clearly not the case for everyone who got involved in entertainment at a young age.
 
pogoroooo said:
This new season just sucked, remarkably unfunny. This somewhat feels like the nu star wars all over again. They had most of the original cast back and they didn't do anything significant with them.
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At least I could see Jane Kaczmarek age well and act as zany as possible.
 
Green Man said:
It sort of reminds me of all of that shit with Nickelodeon where people [especially on Reddit] act like Dan Schneider is some avowed, proven child rapist when in reality the accusations were "he was weird about putting foot stuff in his shows" and "he did some kinda weird shit from time to time that made people uncomfortable"
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The Dan Schneider stuff is horrifying because it's one gigantic case of projection. There's no proof he did a thing and his life's work has been ruined over it. His poor wife had to come out and defend him and say that he loved all those kids he worked with and he's been completely destroyed over it. All because the feet stuff which if you actually grew up in the 90s or not during a time where overreacting on the internet has ruined all discourse you would know was a very common thing played for laughs.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
The Dan Schneider stuff is horrifying because it's one gigantic case of projection. There's no proof he did a thing and his life's work has been ruined over it. His poor wife had to come out and defend him and say that he loved all those kids he worked with and he's been completely destroyed over it. All because the feet stuff which if you actually grew up in the 90s or not during a time where overreacting on the internet has ruined all discourse you would know was a very common thing played for laughs.
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That's kind of always been my thoughts on it, obviously if there's actual definitive proof that he ever molested someone, put his ass in prison or immolate his ass, but as far as I can tell it's just "this guy was kinda odd sometimes", which honestly - most creatives are fucking odd sometimes. Stephen Hillenburg [creator of Spongebob] was known to be a pretty odd guy too and had absolutely no interest in having a 'public life', so people got it in their head that he was an 'eccentric' because he didn't hob-knob with the typical 'Hollywood' crowd despite being a name, and the same could be said of Topher Grace [dude who played Eric Forman in That 70's Show], he didn't 'hang out' with the rest of the cast or go to parties, so people thought he was 'weird', turned out though he had the right fucking idea in the end since the cast was crawling with Scientologists and Danny Masterson ended up dragging a bunch of people down with him reputation-wise once he was credibly accused of rape and they were found to be quite good friends of his - ergo whether they knew jack shit about it or not, they're sort of 'tainted' in a way too, at least in terms of public image.

I don't think it's all that 'weird' or 'eccentric' that Erik Per Sullivan didn't want to be involved in that shit anymore, I mean, fuck, look at Hollywood - fake ass people backstabbing one another, odds are if you hob-knob enough you're going to be one degree of separation from someone who is an actual rapist, etc. But that 'Quiet on Set' documentary that came out, Redditoids act like it's Exhibit A in 'evidence of Dan Schneider being a vicious rapist' and 99% of it is "he made me feel sort of uncomfortable a few times", I mean dude's a creative and let's be real, probably sort of an autist - I'd be more surprised if he didn't make people uncomfortable from time to time. And he's done 'what you're supposed to do' in that situation anyway, basically put out a statement saying 'I apologize if I ever made anyone feel uncomfortable with my behavior back then but let's be real, this was all like 20+ years ago and I don't remember every single interaction I've ever had with every single person who ever worked on one of my shows during that time, so I'm not even really sure what I'm apologizing for' and that still wasn't good enough, even though the 'accusations' really aren't all that worth addressing anyway, they were basically 'this guy acted kind of weird sometimes - he must be a rapist' and I'm convinced it has a lot to do with his looks, people just think he "looks creepy" ergo he must have 20TB of CSAM on his computer or whatever.
 
Green Man said:
I don't think it's all that 'weird' or 'eccentric' that Erik Per Sullivan didn't want to be involved in that shit anymore, I mean, fuck, look at Hollywood - fake ass people backstabbing one another, odds are if you hob-knob enough you're going to be one degree of separation from someone who is an actual rapist, etc.
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Sullivan grew up on screen instead of having a normal childhood. Outside of the nastiness of the industry and the pressures of fame, growing up on a tv set would have been fucking mind-numbingly boring. I did a local am-dram thing with a friend once, as she didn't want to go alone. I thought it might be fun. But fucking hell was it unbelievably boring. Reading through the same scenes over and over to memorise lines, practising without the script, working out the blocking, etc, and on tv, having to do the same scenes over and over even once they're prefect and doing everything out of sequence, so the story doesn't even make sense to you. The kid was only eight years old when he had to start doing that as a full time job, presumably on top of school work. It's a shit way to grow up, and it's not surprising that as soon as he hit adulthood he opted out completely.
 
the printer is outo fink said:
Sullivan grew up on screen instead of having a normal childhood. Outside of the nastiness of the industry and the pressures of fame, growing up on a tv set would have been fucking mind-numbingly boring. I did a local am-dram thing with a friend once, as she didn't want to go alone. I thought it might be fun. But fucking hell was it unbelievably boring. Reading through the same scenes over and over to memorise lines, practising without the script, working out the blocking, etc, and on tv, having to do the same scenes over and over even once they're prefect and doing everything out of sequence, so the story doesn't even make sense to you. The kid was only eight years old when he had to start doing that as a full time job, presumably on top of school work. It's a shit way to grow up, and it's not surprising that as soon as he hit adulthood he opted out completely.
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Well, it would be boring if you're not the one doing it. If you're trying to get a line read right or trying different tones, it's going to lean more into studying. Watching someone study is boring, but when you're doing it, you have a specific goal in mind and are working towards it and wouldn't find it boring yourself.
 
Dragged Into Sunlight said:
The Dan Schneider stuff is horrifying because it's one gigantic case of projection. There's no proof he did a thing and his life's work has been ruined over it. His poor wife had to come out and defend him and say that he loved all those kids he worked with and he's been completely destroyed over it. All because the feet stuff which if you actually grew up in the 90s or not during a time where overreacting on the internet has ruined all discourse you would know was a very common thing played for laughs.
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Green Man said:
That's kind of always been my thoughts on it, obviously if there's actual definitive proof that he ever molested someone, put his ass in prison or immolate his ass, but as far as I can tell it's just "this guy was kinda odd sometimes", which honestly - most creatives are fucking odd sometimes.
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I wouldn't go that far. The more severe theories about his behavior haven't been proven true, but Schneider definitely is a creep and he injected a lot of perversion into his work. The firestorm surrounding him didn't just come out of nowhere or was completely basis. There is a lot of evidence supporting him being a creep, ranging from behind the scenes videos of him to all the young actresses that worked under him saying they hated him. Just a reminder that Lori Beth Denberg claimed last year in an interview that Schneider groped her (albeit when she was an adult).

I definitely think the Schneider pushback had ulterior motives and he was often a save target compared to many other pervs working in the entertainment industry. At the end of the day despite his obvious perversion I don't think he did molest any underage actresses, and the abuse stories that have come out about him paint him more as a hothead who used his position to mistreat those around them. That doesn't change the fact though that there definitely is something off with the guy. When there is smoke there is fire, it just turned out that Schneider's fire wasn't as big or that type that people were really clamoring for.

The difference with someone like Erik is that there is literally zero evidence of anything bad happening to him. It literally is just people clamoring for drama and for something to be angry about. It also ignores a lot of evidence that counters it. Like the fact that he actually did have some social media pages up that he eventually took down.
 
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