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I'm very surprised that panoptic got unbanned, I think they said in the article that anything unbanned goes directly to GC's right? That might be a good thing.
Also rip to the guy on our lgs who literally just sold trouble in paris for like a fiver kek.
Other than that, the GC inclusions feel okay, and the other unbans are cards that are easily either outclassed or dealt with by people with a functioning brain and one (1) piece of singular removal. No more changes until next year feels... weird however, but I guess it makes sense if they're gonna keep working within the bracket system.
If I do need to wait until next year to see Prophet of Kruphix unbanned it'll feel bad, but I am a patient man. I've had a playset on my binder for literal years.

Additionally, how are we feeling kiwichads? Has the Tarkir shortage hit your lgs? My tertiary market ass has certainly felt it!
 
Professor V said:
I'm very surprised that panoptic got unbanned, I think they said in the article that anything unbanned goes directly to GC's right? That might be a good thing.
Also rip to the guy on our lgs who literally just sold trouble in paris for like a fiver kek.
Other than that, the GC inclusions feel okay, and the other unbans are cards that are easily either outclassed or dealt with by people with a functioning brain and one (1) piece of singular removal. No more changes until next year feels... weird however, but I guess it makes sense if they're gonna keep working within the bracket system.
If I do need to wait until next year to see Prophet of Kruphix unbanned it'll feel bad, but I am a patient man. I've had a playset on my binder for literal years.

Additionally, how are we feeling kiwichads? Has the Tarkir shortage hit your lgs? My tertiary market ass has certainly felt it!
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LGS only has the Jeskai precon.
 
Hilarious that Seedborn is now a game changer, given it's in the Abzan precon. So much for "Bracket 2 is precon level," eh?

The game changers are such a stupid concept.
 
I have game changers in all my decks. Doesn't mean they aren't bad decks or that I'm not a bad magic player. A certain level of competency in both deck building and playing is required to make a card truly shine.
 
Endless Torment said:
The idea is supposed to be any card that causes the game to warp around it and must be answered,most of the cards listed fit this.
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Then they are at least 500 cards short.

To the extent it's consistent as a list at all it's efficient combo enablers + soft hate against people storming off/touching a lot of cards + some random fast mana + a few good tutors.

Basically it's a cEDH salt list but not for cEDH and missing 95% of the cards
 
Game Changers: boring cards played by pubstomping wallet-warriors for whom "it's blue, so I put rhystic in" is peak deckbuilding.

There, defined it. Now go play in CEDH where there just shouldn't be a banlist outside of maybe hulk, grizzy, and the non-tittytwister p9
 
The last few times I've mash shuffled I somehow manage to 'mash' together two sleeved cards. Anyone use deck shufflers for paper?
 
Rich Evans Ayypologist said:
Game Changers: boring cards played by pubstomping wallet-warriors for whom "it's blue, so I put rhystic in" is peak deckbuilding.

There, defined it. Now go play in CEDH where there just shouldn't be a banlist outside of maybe hulk, grizzy, and the non-tittytwister p9
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That's not consistent either, it's true enough at the top end (Rhystic Study is in 750000 decks on EDHREC) but then the bottom end is a few cards that only should be "game changers" in the command zone like Yuriko and Winota or only playable in very few decks like Tabernacle, Sierra's Realm, and Glacial Chasm. While they might be good cards in the decks they fit in they they aren't exactly must includes which is why they see like 1/20 of the play as Rhystic.

Also Tergrid which is just to soft ban the card no other reason.
 
Tabernacle is especially baffling to me. When the game changers list first dropped, I went to EDHREC and looked up the inclusion rates of both Tabernacle and Trinisphere and they were something like 0.15% and 0.45%, respectively. Calling out cards that see barely any play (and in T-Sphere's case, actually punish the sort of hyper-efficient play that EDH players claim they don't like) is so bizarre when there are way more egregious cards with far higher play rates that somehow dodged inclusion.

I get the bracket system. I haven't found Rule Zero pregame discussions to have much of an effect on the quality of my game experience, but lots of other players seem to, and there was real organic demand from the player base for something like the bracket system. But the game changers are asinine and are one of the dumbest implementations of a bracket system, and all the moves they're making just solidify my opinion. Luckily, the places where I play have ignored both the brackets and the game changers.
 
I would play tabernacle in a voltron deck, but it costs a lot and it would piss people off. These two parts is why it's on the list as it's extremely expensive and also destroys any token or go wide deck.
I would also put it in a lands deck because you can tutor it up and land destruction is rare.
 
Realistically, the card is on the list solely because it's a nonbasic land, and Commander players absolutely refuse to put any ways to interact with opposing nonbasics into their decks. If you want to wreck token decks, there's still Pendrell Mists and Magus of the Tabernacle, as well as any number of sweepers, but these are far less obnoxious because players will actually run interaction for them.
 
After listening to a lot of discussion - I think they just need to adopt a point system.

By default, cards are 0 pts. Game changers and others would rise in point value. (i.e. Rhystic Study might be like 100 pts by itself) Then players can build whatever decks they want - and brackets and rule 0 talks can all involve the point system. "Oh at this table we just play under 100 pt decks." or "let's go real hard - no point cap game" or "Well this deck here is like 325." "Sure, I've got a 286 deck I'll play with you." (tutors for anything but a land would be like auto 50 pts)

Players will have a much easier time getting on the same page - and if things like pubstomping keep happening, then you just keep increasing the point value on the most common cards utilized in those decks.

The deckbuilding apps already have brackets built into them, so I know it would be pretty easy to build them with a pts system (they pretty much already do with dollar value).

Plus deckbuilding would possibly get more creative. "Show me all the cards that do X in my commander colors... that are 5 pts or less." etc
 
Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids.

What a day to be a Braids enjoyer. Gonna pull her out of the box and make a commander deck and be the most annoying asshole on the table. Also fuck the cashier that said she would never be unbanned, fuck you nigger looks who's laughing now you fat fuck!
 
00R-Gundam said:
Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids Braids.

What a day to be a Braids enjoyer. Gonna pull her out of the box and make a commander deck and be the most annoying asshole on the table. Also fuck the cashier that said she would never be unbanned, fuck you nigger looks who's laughing now you fat fuck!
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Enjoy your games, but personally I just wouldn't ever agree to play against it.
 
Flexo said:
After listening to a lot of discussion - I think they just need to adopt a point system.
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Now that you mention it, yeah, it feels like they're trying to make a point system without actually making a point system, which is completely retarded. It would solve so many problems and it wouldn't be that much more bookkeeping than the current "Brackets + Expanding Game Changers List" system.
 
This is not a novel idea, but I think both brackets and game changers are at such an early stage that they're basically worthless. Anecdotal, but my friend and I once played with a precon and an upgraded precon that is still bracket 2 against a "bracket 2" Azusa ramp into Eldrazi deck. Azusa had no GC and no infinites, but was casting titans by turn 5 lol

I agree that a point system would better translate the power of a deck into the correct bracket, that's why, even though I usually get flak for this, I give weight to the total value of a deck and use brackets to support that.

The Azusa I mentioned before must've been in the $500-600 range minimum (counting cheapest reprints), and the chances of such an expensive deck to be an actual bracket 2 are very slim. Hell, I have a couple of decks around $300 and neither fits into bracket 2. One could techically fit into b2 if I got rid of the tutors, but even without those it's a very strong deck that would obliterate any actual b2.

There's no way a deck who can consistently go turn 5 Ulamog is on the same power level of my turn 5 precon commander who enters and has Haste and does nothing.

Still, a point system might be extremely hard to implement, given the amount of cards there is...
 
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