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"Steve likes to play Tegrid, Yasharn goes in every deck" to emerge.
I legitimately can't find a Tergrid that has placed in a Tournament in the past year, you seem to be conflating annoying cards with CEDH cards.

From the Data I can find, Tergrid hasn't placed in a CEDH tournament for at least a year.

Is Tergrid CEDH? No
Should it be Banned (From the command zone, because fuck it that should be a thing) : Yes

why? Because it has bad gameplay, You either dogpile the Tergrid player or the Tergrid player eventually casts Dark Deal and gets everyone's hand, it's the reason that Braids Cabal Minion and Iona are banned, they aren't all that powerful but they are miserable to deal with.
 
I legitimately can't find a Tergrid that has placed in a Tournament in the past year, you seem to be conflating annoying cards with CEDH cards.

From the Data I can find, Tergrid hasn't placed in a CEDH tournament for at least a year.

Is Tergrid CEDH? No
Should it be Banned (From the command zone, because fuck it that should be a thing) : Yes

why? Because it has bad gameplay, You either dogpile the Tergrid player or the Tergrid player eventually casts Dark Deal and gets everyone's hand, it's the reason that Braids Cabal Minion and Iona are banned, they aren't all that powerful but they are miserable to deal with.
I was specifically mentioning playing hate bears to fuck your annoying friends as an example of being your groups non CEDH "meta" not being something CEDH fags need to worry about because they play things that win the game instead of things that are miserable so they can chuckle smugly for 10 turns and 1-2 hours of real time.

Tergrid is a great example of something that is probably fine in CEDH (in so far as it's irrelevant and slow) but something no one wants to play against because you have to keep their commander removed or remove the player.
 
I legitimately can't find a Tergrid that has placed in a Tournament in the past year, you seem to be conflating annoying cards with CEDH cards.

From the Data I can find, Tergrid hasn't placed in a CEDH tournament for at least a year.

Is Tergrid CEDH? No
Should it be Banned (From the command zone, because fuck it that should be a thing) : Yes

why? Because it has bad gameplay, You either dogpile the Tergrid player or the Tergrid player eventually casts Dark Deal and gets everyone's hand, it's the reason that Braids Cabal Minion and Iona are banned, they aren't all that powerful but they are miserable to deal with.
Hello, Tergrid player here. I completely agree with her being banned from the command zone. At my lgs after a commander league in which i entered with her, after that season she was banned for use because as you say i can just stall or survive until i play her and dark deal or just dark deal and that usually made people scoop,it aint fun. Also yes most games either they tried to rush me down or in some games i just get away with it with one of my "win cons". Personally i like tergrid and what ive done to compromise is to just put her in the 99 and have tinybones as my commander. Now i can still play her and not getting complaints from people or whiners(like a jhoira player, funny how that works).
 
they want to go by the rules of Commander and push the format as far as they can
The rules of Commander in as far as they're 100-card singleton with a command zone feature, yeah. However, I think most cEDH players would rather have Flash in the format than Protean Hulk, and yet they have to abide by that ruling for whatever arbitrary reason. Simply-put, the reason that cEDH isn't a de jure separate format is that there isn't an anointed authority on it.

The point of creating two separate banlists and thus two separate formats (legacy-vintage) is not to dissuade all competitive play in the one, but rather to change its nature. The main issue with fast mana is that if you can afford the cards (or you just proxy them because you're not retarded), you put them in every single deck because they will allow you to put a lock on the game before the average player can actually respond. By splitting that play pattern off into a distinct format, you instead create one where you can reasonably expect that people will have the ability to respond to your shenanigans if they've played 'normally' and are packing interaction, rather than one where the game ends on turn 3.

It also means that you can assume people will have a way to deal with certain cards that, frankly, wouldn't be an issue if people weren't at-large retarded. There'd be no reason to ban Sylvan Primordial in cEDH, much less even Gifts Ungiven, because you can expect that players in that format have opted-in and will adapt to those cards, rather than in normal EDH where players will side out swords so they can put in another 6/6 trample for 6.
Deck Power level
This is an issue where the RC sitting around doing fuckall really comes in to play. Because there's basically no resources out there to determine deck power level, and of what is, they're not really agreed-upon and propagated properly. In a world where the RC actually did something, they would both clarify and codify the different power-levels and curate a list of all the cards that qualify as 'high.'

I personally find the numerical system doesn't fucking work, and low-mid-high is a lot better. The way Canadian highlander attaches points-values to cards is interesting, but I ultimately find it a bit flawed because of how synergy works: intruder alarm is broken in Kumena, but worthless in Hakbal, for example.
"I am gonna play a Mill Deck and put in zero graveyard hate and then cry about power level when someone casts Eerie Ultimatum"
Things like this being so common is also why I don't buy a lot of people's excuses of "you can't make these formats more complicated, how will people ever learn?" People can somehow be expected to look up a mill list and shell out for it, and they do - and yet they don't understand the use of graveyard hate?

People are so willing to do research into building a deck that they do so before they understand basic functions of the game itself, and are in this state expected to assign a number to their deck... yet they can't be trusted to comprehend two separate banlists? Or the notion of Banned-as-Commander? It all boils down to the RC not wanting to do anything, because if they do, people will shit themselves.
why? Because it has bad gameplay, You either dogpile the Tergrid player or the Tergrid player eventually casts Dark Deal and gets everyone's hand
Tergrid is a great example of something that is probably fine in CEDH (in so far as it's irrelevant and slow) but something no one wants to play against because you have to keep their commander removed or remove the player.
This is also why combo fundamentally just does not work with the casual format, lol. The correct play pattern is always to pressure and kill the combo player outright, since at any point they can pop off and win. It's a game state that doesn't exist in 1v1, since there you're necessarily always pressuring them.

In cEDH, the expectation is that everyone is either doing that, playing something like Winota that has light stax to back up a fast aggro strategy, or playing a midrange pile that generates insurmountable advantage to totally neuter combo, and so it fits in to that play-pattern nicely. But in casual, the combo player always whines and cries when you correctly prioritize them, and without fail every time you knock them out (because they have no removal or board presence), they go "if I just got one more turn, I'd have won the game, why do you target me all the time"
 
The Commander Rules Committee is officially under WOTC control. (A) I mean, it's been basically directly controlled by WOTC for a long time but now its official. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE COMMANDER FORMAT? Who knows. They're toying with the idea of "tiered" power levels for cards, which isn't a terrible idea but I'm sure they'll figure out a way to mess it up. At least it will address the "Every deck is a power level 7" problem by directly labeling cards certain power levels.

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MtG Finance people continue to have a melty over the bans I guess? I can never tell whether the threats are real or imagined with these types of people.
 
I guess I can be labeled a conspiracy theorist for that,if I actually was one, I surely wouldn't pick the lamest conspiracy theory there is; but I feel like it was by design. Papa Hasbro disliked dealing with elements out of its controll and told them to do something so it won't look like a hostile take-over. So they went and provoked the internet to a very predictable reaction. Now neither of the entities look bad. WotC didn't pressure them publicly, and they did not just handed it to le evil corporation, but were fleeing them death threats. I even believe there were death threats. MTG sweatlords are capable of that. Well played. Welcome to the new era of whatever will happen.
 
I guess I can be labeled a conspiracy theorist for that,if I actually was one, I surely wouldn't pick the lamest conspiracy theory there is; but I feel like it was by design. Papa Hasbro disliked dealing with elements out of its controll and told them to do something so it won't look like a hostile take-over. So they went and provoked the internet to a very predictable reaction. Now neither of the entities look bad. WotC didn't pressure them publicly, and they did not just handed it to le evil corporation, but were fleeing them death threats. I even believe there were death threats. MTG sweatlords are capable of that. Well played. Welcome to the new era of whatever will happen.

Imagine believing WotC wasn't in charge of the format.


Commander is the most popular format by a long shot. There is no way Corporate Slave Driver Hasbro was leaving their most profitable franchise's most popular format in the hands of a third party. RC has clearly been WotC lap dogs and on their pay. They were just a facade.

The only question is, did WotC purposely throw this grenade as cover for them openly taking over the format, or was the backlash so severe that it wasn't worth the shit the RC members were getting, and WotC had to take the mask off or the RC would spill the beans on who really made the decision.
 
Turns out I was right about Oculus in modern Unearth. Abhorrent Oculus is up to 28 dollars a pop, it's finding a home in something pretty different than I built originally (mine was esper with Helping Hand...I totally forgot about Chthonian Nightmare) so I can't feel too clever after all.
 
Imagine believing WotC wasn't in charge of the format
They were in all but name and direct ban decisions. RC clearly knew who's the boss of this format. And WotC had a very convenient proxy in them. My guess is they want to do something reeeeeeeeeeeally unpopular, something that under no pretense could've come from RC. So they told em to pack it up.
 
RC has been shitty and while I think someone should actively janny the format WotC is no better since they've spent the last half a decade trying to rotate eternal formats by printing overpowered cards and they've never shown any signs of stopping. Remember that Nadu was buffed last second because they were afraid it wasn't going to push commander players to crack enough modern packs. They mostly just ignore problem cards as long as they can ban-wise and hope people will get tired of winning with shit like Amalia Combo in pioneer or Grief in modern and legacy.
 
As someone who was on their way to being an MTG finance bro, it’s nonsensical to complain about a card getting banned and tanking in value beyond lamenting that you didn’t sell at the peak. That’s part of why I didn’t want to go all in on buying and selling cards: it’s not worth the time you have to spend combing information to be the first one to reach the conclusion of what something should be worth. Wizards (and hasbro by extension) caring so heavily about commander means that it’s even more difficult to try to track card finances because of the format diversity (all the commanders that have been and will be printed). If you really like the game, you’ll be able to easily manage your collection’s value and you’ll likely liquidate expensive cards before they lose value to YOU. Actual Market value is just a plus side that might make your hobby cost less actual money.

As a side note, I didn’t realize that there was a secret lair drop today, and after looking at it I’m not surprised. They’re really running out of ideas, because it’s more anime shit and ANOTHER hatsune miku drop. When will wizards cater to the real gamers out there and make a Bossman SLD??? I want my Kino Gamble with a Rat on it!!
 
As someone who was on their way to being an MTG finance bro, it’s nonsensical to complain about a card getting banned and tanking in value beyond lamenting that you didn’t sell at the peak. That’s part of why I didn’t want to go all in on buying and selling cards: it’s not worth the time you have to spend combing information to be the first one to reach the conclusion of what something should be worth. Wizards (and hasbro by extension) caring so heavily about commander means that it’s even more difficult to try to track card finances because of the format diversity (all the commanders that have been and will be printed). If you really like the game, you’ll be able to easily manage your collection’s value and you’ll likely liquidate expensive cards before they lose value to YOU. Actual Market value is just a plus side that might make your hobby cost less actual money.

As a side note, I didn’t realize that there was a secret lair drop today, and after looking at it I’m not surprised. They’re really running out of ideas, because it’s more anime shit and ANOTHER hatsune miku drop. When will wizards cater to the real gamers out there and make a Bossman SLD??? I want my Kino Gamble with a Rat on it!!
A lolcow TCG, or at the least an entire set of proxied cards featuring lolcows would be pretty neat.
 
A lolcow TCG, or at the least an entire set of proxied cards featuring lolcows would be pretty neat.
This concept has been kicked around a few times, and I’m pretty sure there’s one that got mocked up by that retard kiwitapes. I started playing the One Piece tcg with a friend, and it honestly feels like it would be even better than magic as a base for a kiwitcg.
 
The Commander Rules Committee is officially under WOTC control. (A) I mean, it's been basically directly controlled by WOTC for a long time but now its official. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN FOR THE COMMANDER FORMAT? Who knows. They're toying with the idea of "tiered" power levels for cards, which isn't a terrible idea but I'm sure they'll figure out a way to mess it up. At least it will address the "Every deck is a power level 7" problem by directly labeling cards certain power levels.
Lol, you love to see it. Good job Twitter faggots, you successfully guaranteed the worst possible outcome by handing control of the format to the company that has a powerful financial incentive to constantly print overpowered bullshit and then never ban it.

And pre-game rule zero discussions have always been a massive waste of time. Making an 'official' power scale won't help that - in fact, it will probably make it worse, because now players will have an official document to use to back up their whining (also, you can bet WotC won't be honest enough to put the latest overpowered bullshit card they've printed onto the Tier 4 card list). I've found that player skill, attitude, and playstyle matter way more to the quality of EDH game you get than any theoretical deck power level rating, and the players who focus the hardest on justifying why their deck is a seven out of ten are usually the scrubbiest and least fun opponents.
 
I was specifically mentioning playing hate bears to fuck your annoying friends as an example of being your groups non CEDH "meta" not being something CEDH fags need to worry about because they play things that win the game instead of things that are miserable so they can chuckle smugly for 10 turns and 1-2 hours of real time.

Tergrid is a great example of something that is probably fine in CEDH (in so far as it's irrelevant and slow) but something no one wants to play against because you have to keep their commander removed or remove the player.
You know, I would like to continue this conversation but..

I guess this happened and none of the conversation we have had over the past page or so matters because WOTC jumped on the "backlash" to seize control of the format, so get ready for this "Tier" system to be the funniest shit magic has done in a while :popcorn:

My guess is they want to do something reeeeeeeeeeeally unpopular, something that under no pretense could've come from RC. So they told em to pack it up.
Oh please, the RC faggots were Sweeping up the format for free for years, they all perpetually lick WOTC's ballsack at every chance. Quite frankly this RND Group is gonna be the Rules Committee in all but name but now whenever something unpopular happens everyone will just go "REEEE HASBRO REEE CAPITALISM!!!!!" instead of calling out the retards for being retards.

Banning Jewled Lotus wasn't a mistake, not banning it the moment it came out was the mistake, and it didn't happen the day it was previewed because the Rules Committee were taking the WOTC GirlDick up the ass.
 
The only question is, did WotC purposely throw this grenade as cover for them openly taking over the format, or was the backlash so severe that it wasn't worth the shit the RC members were getting, and WotC had to take the mask off or the RC would spill the beans on who really made the decision.
My tinfoil hat says the death threats aren't real, or if they are they're not actually death threats. How many times have we seen people claim to be threatened but then provide no evidence? It's fake, like it always is. I just wish there were more places on the internet you could call it what it is.
 
Man who plays other card games here to ask a question. If ramp up was thr big issue why they need to ban mana crypt, JL, and whatever that other one was. Then why not sol ring? This is just my casual eye but that seems way more egregious then the others.
 
Man who plays other card games here to ask a question. If ramp up was thr big issue why they need to ban mana crypt, JL, and whatever that other one was. Then why not sol ring? This is just my casual eye but that seems way more egregious then the others.
Because it is "Iconic"

Same reason Brainstorm doesnt get banned from Legacy and Mishras Workshop doesnt get restricted in vintage
 
Yeah, the Mana Crypt ban was the dumbest ban among them. Mana Crypt is about as close to a sidegrade to Sol Ring as you can get without being a functional reprint, so if one is okay then the other should stay. It's not like most casuals were running Crypt in their decks anyway.
 
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