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Polyboros2 said:
Wanderer and Kaito are a romance but not a couple, because she's too lost in the multiverse for them to move past their childhood friendship. Plus with Kaito in Spookyhouse, were going to get confirmation that he's desparked and following omenpaths to find her, so the brief stability they had prePhryrexia is over. I don't even know who the other two are and I'm pretty into MtG lore and they have no cards so they don't exist to WotC until they read about them on a Magic wiki.
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The Wanderer is supposedly desparked on Kamigawa. I guess Kaito is trying to find a way back there then.
 
Noebel said:
Gentlemen, it came to my knowlege that Mario R. said the following (archive) on his tumblr. Is it just a joke, or he's doing an early probe into how much nerds will sneed at the concept?
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That question is fucking fake, i dont care if this account has a post history, this question did not happen naturally
 
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
That question is fucking fake, i dont care if this account has a post history, this question did not happen naturally
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On the replies have some gold.
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Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I mean, I don't think it would be worse than Walking Dead...just because it has a chance of coming out while Swift is relevant.

The Walking Dead was far past any real relevancy by the time that Universes Beyond came out.
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True, BUT the Walking Dead has more in common with MTG (combat, zombies, etc) than Swift. (unless they want to release a duel commander product of her vs Kayne West)

So is it more important to be relevant, or to be on style? (not rhetorical, I am asking a real philosophical conundrum)
 
Flexo said:
So is it more important to be relevant, or to be on style? (not rhetorical, I am asking a real philosophical conundrum)
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I think it all comes down to the size of the IP over the relevance or style, and the best example of that is to pick some niche fantasy or sci-fi property that you enjoy and try to decide if it would be a successful UB set even if no one knew what it was. I’m a big fan of a Fantasy series call the Lightbringer saga. It would slot right into magic, and even has its own in-universe card game that is reminiscent of magic. I’m pretty sure it would be a totally unknown quantity when announced as a UB, but depending on the power level of the cards in the set, it might be as popular as a regular set (circa 2014 lol). But if WOTC did a UB Star Wars? Even with Star Wars being dead and gay, it would outsell every other set they’ve printed.

On principle, I wish that style dominated relevance every time. I think there are a lot of cool fantasy and sci-fi worlds out there, and that WOTC could definitely bring in other deeply entrenched fans that aren’t into their game into it, while also allowing for mechanics to be developed that could stick around and not just be relegated into a UB set. But having something that people who don’t care about magic that might grow the audience of the game, even if that growth is unsustainable and likely damaging to the health of the game as a whole? That makes the number go up and if the number goes up WOTC *has* to make more money, right???

TL;DR relevance will be king until WoTC collapses under poor management, style was kicked out when the magic community decided not to gatekeep their hobby.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
I mean, I don't think it would be worse than Walking Dead...just because it has a chance of coming out while Swift is relevant.

The Walking Dead was far past any real relevancy by the time that Universes Beyond came out.
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Nothing can be worse than The Walking Dead. It selling so well was the top of the slippery slope that led us to where we are now.
I give a pass to LOTR & D&D since they're the original high fantasy nerd IPs that Magic took direct inspiration from. Though I will admit its weird to play Magic and see non-Magic stuff with distinct names like Boromir, Gandalf, Frodo, Gollum, and THE ONE RING, especially Ring since it is so good in so many formats.
 
The only good Universes Beyond set was My Little Pony, and that's only because you can respond to the "Everypony wins the game" effect with Angel's Grace.
 
Monolith said:
The only good Universes Beyond set was My Little Pony, and that's only because you can respond to the "Everypony wins the game" effect with Angel's Grace.
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I'm more okay with MLP than The Walking Dead cuz MLP is silver bordered
 
I feel like high fantasy is appropriate and classic sci fi. I know nearly nothing about MTG lore, but cards set in Valdemar/Karsite/Velegrath (Mercedes Lackey) or PERN (Anne McAffery) would make my head explode. Those are probably TOO nerdy though.

Considering they made Hatsune Miku cards and everything else I know about modern day MTG I bet they're going to collab with the gayest and lamest media properties so long as they have a large following. Probably going to make Rick and Morty cards or Funko pops.
 
I would enjoy an Eternal Champion set (Michael Moorcock books, not the Sega fighting game). The Dukes of Law and Chaos would be pretty cool planeswalkers. Maybe throw in a mechanic for Eternal Champions/Companions to the Champion/Eternal Consort to power each other up if you control multiple of one kind, like in the books.

It'll never happen because of the idea of a male champion and female consort. Fun to think about though.

edit: The setting not being popular enough is probably a more likely reason it'll never happen, on top of Hasbro's adherence to gender-trash politics.
 
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DootSkeleton said:
Nothing can be worse than The Walking Dead. It selling so well was the top of the slippery slope that led us to where we are now.
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Very likely not true, I think Universes Beyond was inevitable given how poorly WOTC has managed the Lore and IP for a long long time now.
Flexo said:
True, BUT the Walking Dead has more in common with MTG (combat, zombies, etc) than Swift. (unless they want to release a duel commander product of her vs Kayne West)
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It used to be that way, but Magic the Gathering is nothing but a bunch of Barren Wine Aunts in the lore so...Tay Tay is on brand for it now.
 
Universes Beyond has plenty of properties to reach out to which would fit - Witcher, Dark Souls, GOT, Zelda, etc. which would all do incredibly well. And LOTR / Final Fantasy are certainly fine fits, with Warhammer 40K mostly-fitting.

The issue is that I don't think the concept of UB was really... ever mapped out. One-offs like Walking Dead or Street Fighter or Transformers were borderline, but not that many cards. Doctor Who, and the oncoming Marvel, are way, way more out of step. Of course, to make them fit in more comfortably, we've got sets like OTJ and MKM to strongly impress to the playerbase that the barest pretense of giving a shit about Magic's IP has long since left the building.
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Very likely not true, I think Universes Beyond was inevitable given how poorly WOTC has managed the Lore and IP for a long long time now.
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I blame tumblr for that one. A lot started to latch onto the IP that didn't care about the game and WotC pandered to them rather than write a good story.

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
It used to be that way, but Magic the Gathering is nothing but a bunch of Barren Wine Aunts in the lore so...Tay Tay is on brand for it now.
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I wish I could figure out how companies became so convinced eggless wine aunts were the future as far as serving customers go.
 
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