Magic The Gathering

[Flexo]

I still don't quite understand how Cascade works. So a creature is summoned, then we get to summon a creature with a smaller mana cost for free and shuffle the deck?

Fun rules note on the apex devestator:

Each of Apex Devastator's four cascade abilities will look for a nonland card with mana value less than 10 (Apex Devastator's mana value). This doesn't change even if one or more of the spells you cast because of those cascade abilities has cascade itself. Each of those additional cascade abilities, if any, will refer to the mana value of the spell that caused it to trigger. In other words, each cascade ability cares only about the spell that caused it to trigger, the stack can get messy, and we wish you luck.

Anyway it's not summon a creature, it's cast ANYTHING with less mana (so basically anything not a land). Also you don't shuffle your deck, just the cards you reveal.

Let's do an easy example. You cast:


You start revealing cards from the top of your library. First is a land. Second is a land. Third card is:


But it costs 5! Which is more than your elf so you reveal a fourth card - a land. The fifth card you reveal is:


It costs 1 so now you've reached the end of the cascade. You choose to cast it, dealing 3 damage to the opponent's face, then you shuffle the 3 lands you revealed along with the acidic slime and put them on the bottom of your deck. That's essentially cascade - you get a free spell with your other spell every time you play it, but the free spell is random. (usually, plenty have built decks designed to cascade into a single target)

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Fun rules note on the apex devestator:


Anyway it's not summon a creature, it's cast ANYTHING with less mana (so basically anything not a land). Also you don't shuffle your deck, just the cards you reveal.

Let's do an easy example. You cast:
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You start revealing cards from the top of your library. First is a land. Second is a land. Third card is:
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But it costs 5! Which is more than your elf so you reveal a fourth card - a land. The fifth card you reveal is:
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It costs 1 so now you've reached the end of the cascade. You choose to cast it, dealing 3 damage to the opponent's face, then you shuffle the 3 lands you revealed along with the acidic slime and put them on the bottom of your deck. That's essentially cascade - you get a free spell with your other spell every time you play it, but the free spell is random. (usually, plenty have built decks designed to cascade into a single target)

Thank you for the explanation.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

No it doesn't, it has the threat of activation every turn. If you have 4 mana untapped, dead underdog and draw Shelly you can cast Shelly instead and lose nothing, if you have 4 mana and a dead knight and draw Shelly you still have the use it or lose it effect and have to choose.

Yes and if you draw almost anything else in the Mono Black Deck you have to choose between casting Underdog or casting that, and honestly in that situation I would Recast anyways because you have a non Zero cast of drawing something you can cast anyways.

Which is a feature because people hate throwing removal at Underdog because unless it's exiled they 1 for 1 themselves and gain nothing

I mean you just take the hit from Underdog unless it is lethal.

removing Knight with a non-exile is still a tempo play that also commits you to pay 2/4 to play it again or lose it.

I mean chances are you will be able to cast Knight and something else in most cases. It's 2 Mana so it should be a fairly easy thing to Navigate most of the time.

@Flexo Explaining Cascade with Blood Braid Elf into Lightning bolt.

That is like my Childhood deck.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Budget decks are really easy and fun to make. You'd be surprised at what you can make with a small budget.
I still don't quite understand how Cascade works. So a creature is summoned, then we get to summon a creature with a smaller mana cost for free and shuffle the deck?

Most of the current sets are overpriced garbage and outright downgrades. Who the hell thought it was a great idea to remove Elesh Norn's "-2/-2 to all creatures your opponents control and +2/+2 to all creatures you control"? No shit they lost. They got nerfed for some capeshit bullshit.

In Elish Norn's defense, the second newest is much more playable because hosing ETBs cripples an awful lot of creatures and it's good to play along side shit like Omnath and O ring effects and it's much easier to cast fairly (and old Elish is far from the best creature to cast unfairly)

Yes and if you draw almost anything else in the Mono Black Deck you have to choose between casting Underdog or casting that, and honestly in that situation I would Recast anyways because you have a non Zero cast of drawing something you can cast anyways.

I mean sure, but if you're playing some slow game of attrition there are much more appealing cards then a 3/2 for 2 even if he can draw you a card every few turns.

I mean you just take the hit from Underdog unless it is lethal.

Which is why he's unplayed in every format but standard where a vanilla 3/2 body swinging on turn 3 is good and you don't want to block him because he'll trade evenly and be back on turn 4 swinging and netting cards if the opponent has nothing better to do. Even in explorer the 2 drops in Rakdos Midrange are Bloodtithe Harvester for the blood token for filtering and revolt and the cheeky Kiki Jiki clone shit, Kroxa, and Misery's Shadow. Either of these cards seem like they have no home outside of standard but I think Underdog is a more generically good creature and I doubt most decks would rather have 4 knights then 4 underdogs and I don't think any deck wants both of them (since most of the good removal is on 2 in standard)

If there's any home for knight it would be sac fodder in a basically unplayed deck I tried for a bit that was basically Draw 2 tribal built around Zimone and Dina, Shelly and Fairy Mastermind where you try to drain out your opponent by drawing cards and ramping.

I mean chances are you will be able to cast Knight and something else in most cases. It's 2 Mana so it should be a fairly easy thing to Navigate most of the time.

Well, yeah, I think it's a better attrition creature but not a better aggro creature. But as a creature in an attrition deck 3/2 is a terrible stat line.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I mean sure, but if you're playing some slow game of attrition there are much more appealing cards then a 3/2 for 2 even if he can draw you a card every few turns.

Underdog is in 2 of the Top decks at the moment, Now Green is hot fucking garbage at the moment so The Knight might not see Play but I think it is possibly playable because it does the things that Underdog does for a split cost..and it has Trample which helps it push some amount of damage through.

Even in explorer the 2 drops in Rakdos Midrange are Bloodtithe Harvester for the blood token for filtering and revolt and the cheeky Kiki Jiki clone shit, Kroxa, and Misery's Shadow.

Bloodtithe is played entirely because of the Cheeky Cloning shit, note how it vanished from Standard the moment Fable got the boot, Kroxia is a 1 of and Misery's Shadow is kind of just Graveyard hate more than a real threat.

Well, yeah, I think it's a better attrition creature but not a better aggro creature.

Well, I don't think Underdog is a great Aggro Creature just because it can be chumped forever because it lacks evasion. I like Underdog but there are times where I've had it get walled by tokens while losing 2 life a turn casting it trying to dig for Sheoldred so I can make that long game work. If it didn't have Trample I would completely agree, but having trample lets it push through chip damage against X/1s and X/2s.

 

[Flexo]

In Elish Norn's defense, the second newest is much more playable because hosing ETBs cripples an awful lot of creatures and it's good to play along side shit like Omnath and O ring effects and it's much easier to cast fairly (and old Elish is far from the best creature to cast unfairly)

Yeah game knights did a whole episode of playing the praetors against each other.

(timestamped to the start of the game)

You don't have to watch the whole thing to see just how badly Josh started running away with things with that Elesh Norn. White has some BUSTED things you can do with her - even more if you toss in flickering effects.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

Yeah game knights did a whole episode of playing the praetors against each other.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KpopatzC-gI:292(timestamped to the start of the game)

You don't have to watch the whole thing to see just how badly Josh started running away with things with that Elesh Norn. White has some BUSTED things you can do with her - even more if you toss in flickering effects.

It's always nice to see what others come up with. Since they will almost always have some new to you card that would be great to get a copy of later to solve a problem for your deck.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Yeah game knights did a whole episode of playing the praetors against each other.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KpopatzC-gI:292(timestamped to the start of the game)

You don't have to watch the whole thing to see just how badly Josh started running away with things with that Elesh Norn. White has some BUSTED things you can do with her - even more if you toss in flickering effects.

I wouldn't go by these guys for examples of good gameplay, I have seen some horrendous plays when I used to watch them.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

I wouldn't go by these guys for examples of good gameplay, I have seen some horrendous plays when I used to watch them.

Would just recommend to ignore channels that feature cliques of assholes like that and video essays.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Tolarian has some good informative videos and he keeps his shilling to a minimum.

I hate Prof, he makes my skin crawl worse than a Tranny does.

 

[Inafune Fanfiction]

I hate Prof, he makes my skin crawl worse than a Tranny does.

He's fairly mild compared to any britbongs or destiny 2 youtubers and gets to the point when it comes to info on magic. That's true obnoxious bullshit when they sound like they have a gun next to their head and keep talking at an autistic volume without pause for 30 minutes at a time.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

He's fairly mild compared to any britbongs or destiny 2 youtubers and gets to the point when it comes to info on magic. That's true obnoxious bullshit when they sound like they have a gun next to their head and keep talking at an autistic volume without pause for 30 minutes at a time.

Oh i know it is silly, but something about him instantly sets off my "OH GOD ITS GROSS GET IT AWAY" reflex.

 

[Flexo]

I wouldn't go by these guys for examples of good gameplay, I have seen some horrendous plays when I used to watch them.

Sure but if even they are getting some busted plays out, just imagine what it can do in skilled hands.

I hate Prof, he makes my skin crawl worse than a Tranny does.

made worse by seemingly every one of his shuffle up & plays nowadays including a tranny it seems. One I actually watched which had a real woman in it, a guy there actually wore a "protect trans kids" shirt.

But yeah, I can only stand prof when he is in other people's stuff because they really edit him down into something less grating or a few of his shorts where he is kept to a minimum.

I've been laughing at Maldhound's stuff which is how I watched another of the Professor's videos. Then I watched Mald play on "Decked out EDH" and it was night and day how much more pleasant the latter was to watch.

What I find interesting is that Kyle Hill who plays such a laid back dude will get real intense and serious in his magic games. Sometimes I'm surprised we don't witness him murder someone on camera.

 

[Oddjob OTP]

Bloodtithe is played entirely because of the Cheeky Cloning shit, note how it vanished from Standard the moment Fable got the boot, Kroxia is a 1 of and Misery's Shadow is kind of just Graveyard hate more than a real threat.

It's more like it's a back up plan since it doesn't even come online until turn 6 at the soonest and if someone lets you untap with Reflections they are down bad anyway. Blood token triggering revolt for Fatal Push is like 80% of the reason bloodtithe is good in that deck since most lists aren't running any other way of triggering revolt easily (like Fabled Passage) other than various things Fable does.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It's more like it's a back up plan since it doesn't even come online until turn 6 at the soonest and if someone lets you untap with Reflections they are down bad anyway.

Yes and no, its not a great Plan A but it is also something that you can just look at your opponent and say "Okay do something or you are gonna lose" which is an okay enough thing for a 2 mana dork that is probably just gonna sac itself to kill something most of the time to be able to do. Without Fable I don't think Bloodtithe is good enough on it's own to justify a black deck going to red.

Like as good as mana is these days even in Standard, the extra colors do add risks. This is why before Wrenn and Six, Jund was basically a dead deck, The Red cards just weren't strong enough to be really worthwhile and just being Golgari with Tireless Tracker being your 4 Drop in place of BBE was good enough to justify not having to navigate 3 color mana bases.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

So I pay minimal attention but this Wicked, Cursed, Sorcerer token thing. Is there a weird 3 forms aspect to the set? Because if so the timing with Disney's new TCG is interesting since it has a 3 form thing too. Can't remember but it's like Disney original and then two fanfic versions of the same.

 

[Danny.exe]

Oh i know it is silly, but something about him instantly sets off my "OH GOD ITS GROSS GET IT AWAY" reflex.

For me it's an uncomfortable sex offender vibe, and that's even with details about him and his views put aside.

So I pay minimal attention but this Wicked, Cursed, Sorcerer token thing. Is there a weird 3 forms aspect to the set? Because if so the timing with Disney's new TCG is interesting since it has a 3 form thing too. Can't remember but it's like Disney original and then two fanfic versions of the same.

It's a bunch of new Aura tokens, the idea being that you can give each creature a "role" in the story like with the fairytale tropes.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

It's a bunch of new Aura tokens, the idea being that you can give each creature a "role" in the story like with the fairytale tropes.

Thanks, guessing it's more than the 3 cited there?

I got irritable when I saw the articles explaining how Magic was releasing a new set that was ripping off Disney since I knew it would be a new Eladrin one and I was wishing for the Brothers Grimm to rise from the dead along with a legion of lawyers to fuck over everyone involved in that bullshit claim. If Wizards were actually trying to parody the Disney stuff at the same time rather than the fairy tales the Mouse stole from I might have more sympathy

 

[Danny.exe]

Thanks, guessing it's more than the 3 cited there?

I got irritable when I saw the articles explaining how Magic was releasing a new set that was ripping off Disney since I knew it would be a new Eladrin one and I was wishing for the Brothers Grimm to rise from the dead along with a legion of lawyers to fuck over everyone involved in that bullshit claim. If Wizards were actually trying to parody the Disney stuff at the same time rather than the fairy tales the Mouse stole from I might have more sympathy

Yeah, you have six in the base set and an extra one in the commander precons. You can read everything here but I'll quote the roles and their function. I doubt it's anything to do with Lorecana/Disney in general, people are probably just mad because Disney also rides off fairytales and so they end up feeling similar.

• Cursed — Enchanted creature has base power and toughness 1/1.
• Monster — Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has trample.
• Royal — Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has ward {1}.
• Sorcerer — Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and has "Whenever this creature attacks, scry 1."
• Wicked — Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 and "When this Aura is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, each opponent loses 1 life."
• Young Hero — Enchanted creature has "Whenever this creature attacks, if its toughness is 3 or less, put a +1/+1 counter on it."
• (Commander) Virtuous — Enchanted creature gets +1/+1 for each enchantment you control.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Yeah, you have six in the base set and an extra one in the commander precons. You can read everything here but I'll quote the roles and their function. I doubt it's anything to do with Lorecana/Disney in general, people are probably just mad because Disney also rides off fairytales and so they end up feeling similar.

Yeah, looks completely different from what I saw. Never went further than the title of "Magic is totally ripping off Disney's new and INCREDIBLY ORIGINAL card set" but was curious when I saw that bit.
That said I am 100% happy to see their paid shills tear at one another.