Magic The Gathering

[Retink Retunk]

If anyone cares about the magic story. Yuma is a Pooner and the shootout ended when someone made them both talk it out.

I don't know if you're joking or not, but that sounds stupid enough to be something they wrote. It wouldn't even be the dumbest shit they put out there recently.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

I mean if they were honest about it, Dominaria should be the center point of the multiverse around which all other planes resolve. So like... taking it out would be like kicking out the foundation of a building.

Technically it actually is a Keystone Plane and during Planar Chaos it getting destroyed was going to destroy the entire Multiverse.

Nobody Remembers that though.

 

[Flexo]

Technically it actually is a Keystone Plane and during Planar Chaos it getting destroyed was going to destroy the entire Multiverse.

Nobody Remembers that though.

Peppridge Farm Flexo Remembers.

 

[PonderosaPete]

Technically it actually is a Keystone Plane and during Planar Chaos it getting destroyed was going to destroy the entire Multiverse.

Nobody Remembers that though.

I fucking miss planar chaos, it's unreal.

 

[Noebel]

why the fuck is he wearing bandolier of ammo around his waist?

Maybe it's like soushots and spiritshots from Lineage 2. Them coreans invented fucking ammo for meele combat.

probably old and skilled enough to be on par with weaker Old Walkers

Nobody is on par with old walkers. Bolas was doing all that shit in War of the Spark to become like that.

 

[Monolith]

If there'll be a war of the planes it'll be Ravinca vs Dominaria otherwise it'll be onesided.

Segovia solos the rest of the multiverse.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

They threw off a Second Phyrexian Invasion Lead by Sheoldred...and won their front of the March of the Machines.

When you call it a second Phyrexian Invasion was it actually that or was it part of the plane's forces as the rest were off elsewhere? Because that's the original one, unless the Phyrexian forces as a whole were involved it's a partial comparison only, like March of the Machines was which I understand was Phyrexia splitting assaults on multiple locations at once.

And there are a large amount of people with high political power that were around during Urza's time around still

Karn, Teferi, Jhioria, as well as Jodah who is probably old and skilled enough to be on par with weaker Old Walkers.

Some organisation at least which helps.

This was purely because of Yawgmoth, The Phyrexians were completely defeated until he took a direct hand and started using Necromancy to reanimate fucking dirt because worms eat people and poop dirt so dirt is former living people.

Defeated by Urza's mentioned counter measures which he spent generations setting up including the Metathran who I believe are wiped out and the Bloodline Project which was designed to produce the optimal generation when it did, after that it's down to luck again. Most of the forces which aligned in the war died in that fight and presumably have not been fully replaced since.

I was under the impression Dominaria has substantially recovered from the original Phyrexian conflict but they're not at the same stage as they were then. Ultimately though it's relative planes' power level discussions, balance is whatever the writers decide at the time.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Nobody is on par with old walkers. Bolas was doing all that shit in War of the Spark to become like that.

Yes, but part of the reason that Old-Walkers were dangerous was that they were experienced. Jodah is in the top 10 most experienced and powerful mages in the setting currently. I said he is probably on par with a Younger (meaning sub 1000 year old) Old-walker because they wouldn't have the experience he does.

There are at least 2 cases of Normal Humans getting the best of Seasoned Planeswalkers (Kirrik nearly killing Urza, and Yawgmoth in his human form capturing Dyfed)

When you call it a second Phyrexian Invasion was it actually that or was it part of the plane's forces as the rest were off elsewhere? Because that's the original one,

It was Sheoldred gathering up people who worshiped Phyrexians like Rona, remenants of sleeper agents and compleated phyrexians left over from the original invasion vs Benalia, The Various Tolarian Academies (Jodah has been expanding) Keld, Shiv, Llanowar and Yavimaya are the main coalition however Braid's returning and being apart of Domiaria United seems to indicate that Otaria was involved in the Invasion as well.

Defeated by Urza's mentioned counter measures which he spent generations setting up including the Metathran who I believe are wiped out and the Bloodline Project which was designed to produce the optimal generation when it did, after that it's down to luck again. Most of the forces which aligned in the war died in that fight and presumably have not been fully replaced since.

I was under the impression Dominaria has substantially recovered from the original Phyrexian conflict but they're not at the same stage as they were then. Ultimately though it's relative planes' power level discussions, balance is whatever the writers decide at the time.

Urza's counter measures helped but the biggest contribution was that he coordinated the planet, which is something that Gerrard and Eladami had more to do with than anything really because Urza was never a people person.

I was under the impression Dominaria has substantially recovered from the original Phyrexian conflict but they're not at the same stage as they were then. Ultimately though it's relative planes' power level discussions, balance is whatever the writers decide at the time.

Return to Dominaria's plot seems to imply that things have recovered enough that outside of normal "Fantasy setting issues" nothing was going too poorly and Jhoria had enough resources and time to salvage the Original Weatherlight.

Bezlenok was the big problem at that time and he was a fucking poser.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

It was Sheoldred gathering up people who worshiped Phyrexians like Rona, remenants of sleeper agents and compleated phyrexians left over from the original invasion vs Benalia, The Various Tolarian Academies (Jodah has been expanding) Keld, Shiv, Llanowar and Yavimaya are the main coalition however Braid's returning and being apart of Domiaria United seems to indicate that Otaria was involved in the Invasion as well.

So less a planar invasion and more triggering a combination of multiple infiltrators, subverted assets and sleeper agents at once?

Urza's counter measures helped but the biggest contribution was that he coordinated the planet, which is something that Gerrard and Eladami had more to do with than anything really because Urza was never a people person.

Except Urza did play a part in that because he literally ran a eugenics programme making certain the right people were alive at the right time while also giving support to the right people so they were in a position to exert control when he needed them to and also willing to listen to him. Even if, as part of his lack of people skills, he never planned for exactly how that would leave them after they had done what he needed them for, the prime example being poor Barrin.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Except Urza did play a part in that because he literally ran a eugenics programme making certain the right people

Sissay and Gerrard were the only two successful Bloodline Projects, the Phyrexians wiped out the rest of them.

position to exert control when he needed them to and also willing to listen to him.

Except..he really didn't do that after the first wave. After the Battle for the Caves of Kolios..he fucked off with the Titans and then joined Phyrexia until Gerrard cut his head off. Hell major forces of the Coalition weren't even really part of the "councils" The Kavu were a side effect of Rith being let loose and stayed because Phyrexians were nommy to eat, the Stronghold was taken care of by Rock Dwarves who had nothing to do with Urza.

Urza provided the Metathran but..that is only a part of the Coalition and even with out him it doesn't change that there are two planes that have repelled Inter-Planar invasions that were single front battles. Dominaria and Ravnica, which makes sense because they have typically had the most stable Civilizations in the setting. In a War I would probably give Ravnica an edge because of Niv Mizzet having literal God Voice powers if the Guilds start..being autistic.

This is all out the window if Darigaaz manages to actually Tard-Wrangle the other 4 Primevals though, Rakdos and Niv are tough but they would need some other Paruns around to match the Primevals..and Ravnica is not helped by having like 4 major Ravnican leaders killed last set.

So less a planar invasion and more triggering a combination of multiple infiltrators, subverted assets and sleeper agents at once?

Sure I guess? Still required a New Coalition to defeat and was probably the biggest event on Dominaria since Planar Chaos, if not Karona since Planar Chaos really wasn't something the non-planeswalker people could really be involved in because it could only be solved by shoving an Old-planeswalker into a Rift.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Urza's counter measures helped but the biggest contribution was that he coordinated the planet, which is something that Gerrard and Eladami had more to do with than anything really because Urza was never a people person.

I wouldn't say Urza had no part in the coordination, he was a master manipulator and was willing to sacrifice his own to further his plans. Barren realized quickly his whole life was steered by Urza, and he was also the one who got the Keldons to be battle ready for the Invasion, and gathered the planeswalkers while having fail safes for people like Szat. Now maybe some things were happy little accidents, like Gatha, but as a whole Urza knew how to find talented people and keep them on track with his agenda.

he fucked off with the Titans and then joined Phyrexia

He didn't fuck off with the Titans, the power suits were made for the coalition of planeswalkers her gathered to go into Phyrexia and set up bombs to implode the plane on itself. He fucked up and got corrupted in the process, but had he been successful that would have ended the war.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Now maybe some things were happy little accidents, like Gatha,

I mean Gatha fucking around in Kheld is what tipped off the Phyrexians to the Bloodlines Project and got the "Hero Bloodlines" outside of Crovax, Sissay and Gerrard killed..and got Crovax corrupted.

He didn't fuck off with the Titans, the power suits were made for the coalition of planeswalkers her gathered to go into Phyrexia and set up bombs to implode the plane on itself. He fucked up and got corrupted in the process, but had he been successful that would have ended the war.

Yes he was doing something semi important, but Yawgmoth was planning on Abandoning Phyrexia anyways IIRC.

gathered the planeswalkers while having fail safes for people like Szat.

That was less a fail safe and more..Urza knowing that Szat was gonna fuck around and find out.

I am not saying Urza did nothing for the Coalition but they certainly are still an effective force even with him dead..Ironically largely because of his descendant Jodah (Jodah is Urza's great..great grand son I think? I think he recalls his Grandfather talking about his Grandmother Kalya)

 

[Retink Retunk]

I mean Gatha fucking around in Kheld is what tipped off the Phyrexians to the Bloodlines Project and got the "Hero Bloodlines" outside of Crovax, Sissay and Gerrard killed..and got Crovax corrupted.

It also delivered a ton of research to Urza when Gatha died, research Urza couldn't conduct himself with who he had. The Gathans were also a major pain to Phyrexia and essentially consumed their attention completely and forced them to expose a lot of what Rath was just to keep up with the Gathan Kelds.

Yes he was doing something semi important, but Yawgmoth was planning on Abandoning Phyrexia anyways IIRC.

Kind of, Yawgmoth was going to go back to Dominaria where he originated but he still planned to have Phyrexia and if the bombs went off when they were planned to Yawgmoth would still be on the plane when it collapsed.

That was less a fail safe and more..Urza knowing that Szat was gonna fuck around and find out.

It was both, Szat wasn't the only one with the kill switch, he was just the one he expected to fuck up and be used as fuel for the bombs.

I am not saying Urza did nothing for the Coalition but they certainly are still an effective force even with him dead..Ironically largely because of his descendant Jodah (Jodah is Urza's great..great grand son I think? I think he recalls his Grandfather talking about his Grandmother Kalya)

Sure, the Coalition was more than Urza, and Urza was aware of that which is why he gathered the people he did. As for Jodah, he is related to Urza a few generations down the line and in Ice Age he remembers the ancestral home built by Kayla's son, but he isn't fully aware of his lineage. He didn't really play a part in the Coalition originally, and remember, Barren, the first breeding experiment of Urza was the father of Hannah. That's not to say Urza planned everything down to the last detail, but he had a hand in most things that happened to take off on their own, even something like the Shivan Rig standing up and functioning as a walking battle titan was a surprised to a lot of people working on it.

I think that's what made the old story so enjoyable, it was very much dictated by the top dogs like Urza and Yawgmoth, but the people under them had autonomy and their decisions were important even if they were pointed in the right direction by the hand of their gods. It's realistic in the sense that the higher ups create the overall battleplan and organization, but the ground commanders execute it, and if either is fucked it all collapses. The modern story is that none of the ground commanders matter and it's a couple people doing everything.

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

I think that's what made the old story so enjoyable, it was very much dictated by the top dogs like Urza and Yawgmoth, but the people under them had autonomy and their decisions were important even if they were pointed in the right direction by the hand of their gods. It's realistic in the sense that the higher ups create the overall battleplan and organization, but the ground commanders execute it, and if either is fucked it all collapses.

Old story was also much more reflective of MTG gameplay because in mtg the players are two powerful wizards trying to kill each other instead of save something this is even told in the old alpha story where worzel duels thomil. It's probably why the jacetice league was so disliked as a group, MTG players have more in common with Bolas than jace and friends. The closest we've come to having that type of heroic experience reflected in MTG gameplay was the battle mechanic.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Old story was also much more reflective of MTG gameplay because in mtg the players are two powerful wizards trying to kill each other instead of save something this is even told in the old alpha story where . It's probably why the jacetice league was so disliked as a group, MTG players have more in common with Bolas than jace and friends. The closest we've come to having that type of heroic experience reflected in MTG gameplay was the battle mechanic.

They were wizards very early on but they became planeswalkers when that was a thing. That's why they could summon things and why they had to nerf planeswalkers to bring them into the game and why they have spells much like the player, but all planeswalkers being nerfed makes what the player does less logical.

 

[DOUBLE_WHEEL]

They were wizards very early on but they became planeswalkers when that was a thing. That's why they could summon things and why they had to nerf planeswalkers to bring them into the game and why they have spells much like the player, but all planeswalkers being nerfed makes what the player does less logical.

I meant wizards as a general term for magic user(probably should have said mage) and players have been planeswalkers since alpha.

 

[Active User]

but all planeswalkers being nerfed makes what the player does less logical.

I think the player's still supposed to be at premending/elder dragon levels of power, which is why the mending happened and nerfed the others so they could be down in card form. Yawgmoth who was also up at that upper echelon they've said is too strong for a card that depicts him as a god, I guess because that would also just be a third player at that point.

 

[Retink Retunk]

Grown man screams at lore

 

[Flexo]

A reminder about how silly their current gun rule is.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

A reminder about how silly their current gun rule is.
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