Luigi Mangione Discussion Thread - Discuss, dissect and laugh at America's most handsome criminal and the mass hybristophilia he's inspired.

[AnonforWeegee]

Aren't these two sides of the same coin? He was a millionaire's son but didn't have access to any true levers of power or the potential to get anywhere - he'd be a much fancier cog in the machine that most people, just like Brian was, but still not actually influential on systematic level, and he seems to have spent a lot of time thinking about systems. This was a point that I remember being made on LC, that Brian was slightly more successful in the same industry as Luigi's family, and got there from being self-made. Luigi started from a much higher place and couldn't make it to CEO. I think there was also some discussion of Paulina, about whether dating a billionaire's daughter got him temporary access to actual serious influence and how he may have started his decline when he lost it.

Well, at the end of the day, incels are just sexless young moids who feels resentful because they perceives themself as having low social status. But they don’t want to take accountability or put in effort, so they externalizes their pain by chimping out, just so they can feel what it’s like to have high social status, even for just a moment.

Ever since the dawn of time, these incels have tried to conceal their desire to chimp out, get sex, or gain status by pretending they have some “higher purpose.” In earlier days, they went to war and said they did it “for the empire.” The Vikings were likely incels. The crusaders. Portuguese explorers too, they concealed it with “exploration and spreading the gospel of God.” Then you have American soldiers who say they fight “to spread democracy and freedom,” when in reality they just want to win the war so they can gain status and get sex. Even terrorist jihadist groups can successfully recruit these incels. I’m sure the real reason they join isn’t because they genuinely believe in jihad or religion, but because they’re being promised high status within that organization. Men have always justified their status-seeking with noble-sounding missions.

Just like some anon said in the LC thread, Luigi is basically an incel trapped in a chad’s body. He and bpdemon (who already accepted that he did it) can convince themselves he did it for a “greater good” or altruistic reason, but the real reason is the same as any incel: he felt powerless in his life, then he externalized that pain so he could feel powerful, even for a moment. He used a grand moral mission to mask feelings of insignificance.

What’s weird about him is that he shouldn’t have ended up like that, because he was literally born into what society perceives as high status, both in physical appearance and family background. But that actually just shows how empty he is as a person because he has very low self-awareness about himself and his life. Incel is a mentality not a demography, after all. It can affect anyone with entitlement and resentment.

Luigi could afford to quit his job because having to work sucks, and go fuck around in tropical locations until the ennui was too much to bear, and overcorrected into a chimpout as moids do. Kaitlyn seems like the similar type to me, the digital nomad with too much time and money to do whatever they feel like and still remain unsatisfied.

I actually don't have any problem with Kaitlyn. She seems like a cool person to me, and honestly she’s pretty based for unprivating that video if her intention was really to show that he’s not as good of a person as people think and that he’s actually kind of abusive and avoidant. I don’t know why some people dislike her.

I also don’t have any issue with people who don’t want to work a corporate job. I think people can do whatever they want with their life as long as they own it and don’t sit in resentment. I don’t see what’s wrong with being a digital nomad or wasting a little time when you’re still young, like traveling or figuring out what you’re passionate about.

That other ex of his also didn’t have a job until recently. What’s the difference?

My problem with Luigi isn’t that he doesn’t want to work a corporate job or that he travels a lot. It’s that he chose that lifestyle and then started feeling resentment because he was going nowhere, spiraling, and then chimping out

 

[Roar Splat Twitch Flush]

I didn't realise that the Kaitlyn/Sei Sei drama had such a negative impact on his fanbase; I don't keep up with the wider Luigisphere beyond scrolling r/BrianThompsonMurder, which had zero discussion of Kaitlyn or Sei Sei, though I have noticed that it's quieter than what it was, and the support less enthusiastic. Are the old BPDs (Jessica, Jules, Katherine, etc.) still around or have they moved on? What's the general temperature in the fanbase at the moment?

I would say the temp is less thirsty and more “let’s just focus on a fair trial”

Sei Sei was mass copium, the majority of fans insisted he was lying, and some insisted he sexually coerced or even raped Luigi (kek). They would rather believe he was raped than believe he hooked up with a fat troon of his own free will. I think they know there is truth to it and it’ll eventually be seen as a betrayal of trust instead of straight out lies.

Kaitlyn was a gut punch to the prison wife hopefuls partly because he’s never been seen in an actual romantic setting before, so that alone was jarring. Anyone who isn’t a 5’2” Chinese yoga teacher’s fantasies were btfo. Her social media was vague so everyone has to speculate which posts were about him and did he hurt/ghost her. Precious cinnamonrolligi might have been a bad partner

For the bippies you mentioned Jessica is still playing pure hearted paypig, Katherine is still private, Jules had a fight with some other bippies and posts on Tumblr now. we’re overdue for a bpdemon update since we have some newer characters attending the hearings now. “The Mangionistas”

My problem with Luigi isn’t that he doesn’t want to work a corporate job or that he travels a lot. It’s that he chose that lifestyle and then started feeling resentment because he was going nowhere, spiraling, and then chimping out

@AnonforWeegee That’s what I was getting at, actually, and you’re right that it’s fine not to want to work in the corporate hamster wheel but to quit the wheel and have nothing fulfilling to do afterward except doing shrooms until you believe you have the answers for society is eyeroll-inducing. Kaitlyn gives me that vibe too but that’s just my impression.

There was a tumblr take I liked related to this type of “rich kid spirituality journey” which is still in my camera roll…

 

[Megami Skankou]

I didn't realise that the Kaitlyn/Sei Sei drama had such a negative impact on his fanbase

Well, I don't think it's impacted the majority of his support at all, from what I've seen, the people who support him but aren't super-zoned in on the dramas (the majority) don't care about his past, or the exact psychology of why he shot the CEO- they just support healthcare reform as the bottom line, and are just tired with corpos in general (cost of living rising, planet being cooked, the government caring more about a rich person's life while cases involving poor people are often marked NHI and go cold, etc.). Many men from backgrounds like his just can't stand the accusation that they might be/seem gay. That's why they lash out by becoming homophobic.

Maybe he is staying quieter until his legal trials are over, but I actually think him caring about his image is too ingrained in him because of his background.

He seems to just mostly be affected by the opinions of people who don't like him, or are obsessed with him for the wrong reasons (bpdemons). Look at the people he idealized and sought self-worth from before the shooting; all grifters, who literally make their bread + butter by telling men they are pathetic and retarded losers: but if they just follow them/buy their shitty course/listen to their podcast/subscribe to their Substack, they too can be shitty grifters shilling their slop, just like them!

Basically, he cares too much about things that don't matter and people who don't value him. Hence the latest addition to the FAQ. Honestly, how is he "unable to speak for himself," yet able to keep up extensively with bpd drama in these tiny corners of the internet? (I guess the troll mail someone mentioned, but I also think KFA is too involved here as well.) He gives me major people pleaser vibes too; apologizing for everything, too open with everyone/no boundaries, there was even one video of having dinner at Surfbreak where he says he doesn't want to dig in and ruin the food. Wth did his family do to him?

 

[Roar Splat Twitch Flush]

I don't think it's impacted the majority of his support at all, from what I've seen, the people who support him but aren't super-zoned in on the dramas (the majority) don't care about his past, or the exact psychology of why he shot the CEO- they just support healthcare reform as the bottom line, and are just tired with corpos in general (cost of living rising, planet being cooked, the government caring more about a rich person's life while cases involving poor people are often marked NHI and go cold, etc.).

I don’t know what circles you’re in but this is not the energy of Luigi’s “fanbase”. This sounds like either a casual public perception or r/FreeLuigi because nowhere in his actual fanbase is really focused on any of that beyond lip service anymore.

 

[Megami Skankou]

I don’t know what circles you’re in but it’s not Luigi’s “fanbase”. This sounds like either a casual public take or r/FreeLuigi because nowhere in his actual fanbase is really focused on that beyond lip service anymore.

tfw I just outted myself as normie by being someone who regularly touches grass. I mostly talk about the case with people IRL lmao.

But yeah I think you're right and it's mostly just "let's focus on a fair trial" public opinion atm.

 

[Roar Splat Twitch Flush]

I mostly talk about the case with people IRL lmao.

I don’t usually bring him up irl but if he comes up in my experience the reaction is usually “wow I forgot about that guy, free Luigi amirite” You’re way ahead having people talk about any kind of reform.

 

[Ada Wong]

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omg ewww haahahaha

I NEED to see this, I'm putting it on my Christmas wishlist.
I haven't forgotten 6 pairs of socks and 2 pairs of undies.

 

[Roar Splat Twitch Flush]

Today’s hearing is cancelled at the last minute, “defendant is ill”

 

[Megami Skankou]

He gives me major people pleaser vibes too; apologizing for everything, too open with everyone/no boundaries, there was even one video of having dinner at Surfbreak where he says he doesn't want to dig in and ruin the food. Wth did his family do to him?

Just thought of this too: the very first line of his yearbook page proves my point. "Mom and Dad: Thanks for dealing with me these past 18 years." =(

 

[Blue Knat]

lot of lc anons used to dissect this shit like crazy. a number of people pointed out that he seemingly absorbs whatever atmosphere he finds himself in. his core identity was and remains inchoate... although in most appearances, he seems to appear particularly pleased with himself as a newfound "martyr" who will be known for "rebelling against the system" when nobody else would (not saying that this is how most people still see or think about him, but rather potentially how he views himself as prison scrote who found meaning in suffering the rest of his life in jail. i think he takes pride in his ostensible suffering; wearing that shit like an ornament, "standing up" for the working class. his bpdemons also feed him this narrative constantly and it very likely went to his head).

truthfully i don't think he's "really like" anything. as many others have pointed out, his defining values and passions are ambiguous because he's very shallow (seemingly) and lacks meaning... so he inadvertently takes on the sincere interests, traits, and even behavior of people he admires. right before the killing, he was desperately trying to capture the attention of that grifter (gurwinder)-- attempting to extract even a modicum of guidance from a literal shitter random who he had no personal relationship with. and prior to that he basically copied tim urban's everything-- from urban's beliefs down to some of his own writing and exact words.

i think his initial goal was to emanate the identity of a profoundly deep, well educated, impartial and skeptical "intellectual," but this phase was incredibly transient and all for show. based on what we know about his history, i'd say around the time of the pandemic is when his spiraling identity crisis began. to me, these intrinsic struggles is the primary reason as to why he shot thompson

now i must add: this is, of course, all speculation. nobody knows luigi and i could be completely wrong about his "inner world" (if he even has one).

He takes on the values, traits and culture of whatever structure he's exposed to, Gilman, U Penn, Surf Break, prison. It's all he's known. And his parents did him dirty. Most likely, until he moved out on his own to Hawaii, Luigi never experienced a decision he made on his own. That's why he babbles that moving to Hawaii was stepping outside his "comfort zone." It truly was, he'd never really been exposed to an unstructured environment, or had to make his own decisions and thus never had the confidence to test himself and develop a proper ego and confidence level. That's what responsible parents do, btw, they allow their child to slowly experience the world and come to a level of confidence and comfort in it. Luigi wasn't given that, of that I'm sure. So he takes on whatever identity he can glean from whatever environment he's in. Thus the self help, airport lounge books on his Goodreads list. Thus the facile conclusions about the world he comes to via Tim Urban.

Thus the tragic/comic "hero's journey" delusion he develops on his own when he's left alone to negotiate life and finds himself flailing. Because he had shitty parenting early on, people who failed him and let whatever system they shoved their boy genius into take over all aspects of his life and never allowed him to stand or fall on his own.

I think C. King is right above. He was very much afraid of his violent, ugly inner thoughts because no one ever sat him down and told him that at times we all feel that way. They're thoughts. You don't have to do anything about them, ffs.

 

[weegeesbeautymark]

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Just thought of this too: the very first line of his yearbook page proves my point. "Mom and Dad: Thanks for dealing with me these past 18 years." =(

Yeah, I think he’s a people pleaser because of his family. He was considered a late starter at Gilman because it was more typical to start there in preschool, but he didn’t go there until 6th grade. I think he did anything to adhere to the in-group and seek validation. And doing anything to follow what he deemed to be expected of him. I think they expected perfectionism and he didn't do much to find his own individuality.

 

[AnonforWeegee]

but to quit the wheel and have nothing fulfilling to do afterward except doing shrooms until you believe you have the answers for society is eyeroll-inducing. Kaitlyn gives me that vibe too but that’s just my impression.

There was a tumblr take I liked related to this type of “rich kid spirituality journey” which is still in my camera roll…

Well, Luigi is like this, but I don’t think Kaitlyn is like that. From what I remember, based on her tweets, she never tweeted or retweeted anything close to “I’m superior to this group” or “I know the truth about society.” Her tweets, as far as I remember, were basically just therapy stuff, which, okay, maybe a little cringe, but not actually problematic.

And don’t kids from really rich families just have a tendency to be like this? Out of touch with reality but still thinking they’re qualified to talk about it? It’s a spectrum at this point.

That other ex of his is also like that. She comes from a very rich family and didn’t have a real job until recently. She’s the type who talks a lot about social work or charity, graduated from an Ivy League school, but at the same time refuses to educate herself about the oppression committed by the country she encourages other people to take a trip to just because of “birthright.” She’s the type who talks about helping developing countries but also has no problem supporting an ethnostate that was built by kicking the natives off their own land.

I think it’s really just a spectrum of what rich kids do. Some go full delusional messiah (Luigi). Some go humanitarian-performative but politically clueless (the other ex). Some stay harmlessly self-centered and therapeutic (Kaitlyn).

Compared to that, Kaitlyn’s type is much more tolerable to me.

 

[The Crescent King]

Hey guys, one of my favourite true crime podcasts did an episode on Luigi's pre-trial hearing. The first 40 minutes are the only section you need to listen to, and they basically explain the law surrounding searches and seizures relating to Luigi's case. TLW; the prosecution has a strong case based on previous case law and will likely win. In a normal case Luigi would plead guilty after this as this pre-trial is basically a mini trial, though given the politicisation of this case a trial might go forward.

 

[skinnyretard]

Thus the tragic/comic "hero's journey" delusion he develops on his own when he's left alone to negotiate life and finds himself flailing. Because he had shitty parenting early on, people who failed him and let whatever system they shoved their boy genius into take over all aspects of his life and never allowed him to stand or fall on his own.

i agree with everything you wrote, except for this. this almost comes off as making excuses for him. he is not a tragic, lost little boy. he's grown. tons pf parents failed their children early on (in even worse conditions -- poverty, overt abuse, addiction, etc), and tons of well-to-do, wealthy, perfectionist parents coddle their children and suppress individuality. they still don't make the decision to monkey the fuck out and kill someone because of an identity crisis.

I think it’s really just a spectrum of what rich kids do. Some go full delusional messiah (Luigi). Some go humanitarian-performative but politically clueless (the other ex). Some stay harmlessly self-centered and therapeutic (Kaitlyn).

honestly hilarious how much people assume about his exes. speculating about luigi is fun but you have literally 0 real information about kaitlyn or paulina. very presumptuous comments about people who did not ask to be dragged into luigi's drama and just happened to have been associated with him (altho kaitlyn does seem to be unsure of where she wants to stand in relation to luigi, going private, then un-private). a lot of these generalistic statements about how wealthy, privileged college kids are reek of jealousy kekkk. lc anons used to do the same thing when they perceived luigi's real character to be indirect rejection from him and would start teeming with irritation when bpdemons would get a response from him instead of their own letters. projecting and seething over any and all women who luigi has come into contact with (letters or in person). so odd

 

[Tragon Dirtle]

Okay, because people are talking about his wealthy family / upbringing:

Going back to Axel Rudakubana for a minute, he had parents from an aggressive foreign background: his family were granted asylum status officially because of their tutsi origins, but apparently his paternal grandfather was a founder member of Rwanda's RPF government, which was headed by a Hutu president who's assassination started the genocide they were fleeing from - they were potentially very high profile targets. Also, once they were here, they put him in musical theatre groups supposedly to help him integrate, but musical theatre / acting in general is kind of a posh kids thing here, and they got him a high profile spot in a BBC children in need advert that's now been taken down. So it seems like they were pushing him as a personal brand / actor / celebrity very young.

For an idea of the kind of springboard BBC child actors have, the Bobbie Vylan guy chanting Death to the IDF at Glastonbury was one too - it's a really good career starter but the kids who get it are middle class and up already.

Again I'm not saying they're the same, but I did do a write up on the various conspiracy theories LC had about Luigi, and one of them was that his mother's family were the actual Italian mafia arrived in the US and that his great uncle died in mysterious circumstances.

I just think it's interesting that you have two stranger murders from wealthy families with families histories of organised violence and pressure from a young age to be publically successful, who may both have had autism. (I think he does, LC convinced me).

Then there's that in his manifesto, he used some 4chan anarchist term that I can't remember but that I also mentioned in my LC conspiracies post, and it was a common theory at the beginning that he was an anarchist trying to act of the deed trigger class war - Rudakubana had been psyopped by the internet in thinking that race war was inevitable because of BLM / CRT online bullshit, so he might have been trying to act of deed too. Luigi does sort of see himself as a deep thinker challenging the state, although obviously with no real depth.

Obviously there's a big difference in shooting an adult CEO to shooting three little girls, and my feelings about what Axel did and what Luigi did are different. But I think it's interesting.

Here's my LC conspiracies write-up from the other thread if you want to see them all:

https://embed.kiwifarms.st/threads/...-in-targeted-attack-cops.206228/post-21707285

 

[AnonforWeegee]

honestly hilarious how much people assume about his exes. speculating about luigi is fun but you have literally 0 real information about kaitlyn or paulina. very presumptuous comments about people who did not ask to be dragged into luigi's drama and just happened to have been associated with him (altho kaitlyn does seem to be unsure of where she wants to stand in relation to luigi, going private, then un-private). a lot of these generalistic statements about how wealthy, privileged college kids are reek of jealousy kekkk. lc anons used to do the same thing when they perceived luigi's real character to be indirect rejection from him and would start teeming with irritation when bpdemons would get a response from him instead of their own letters. projecting and seething over any and all women who luigi has come into contact with (letters or in person). so odd

Am I? I don’t know what “perceived rejection” you’re talking about. I never sent letters to Luigi. I’m only attracted to him physically, and I never wanted to know him in person, let alone have relationship with him. I’m speaking based on what I observe from their social media and what they do with their lives.

I never said I hate or dislike Kaitlyn, I said I can tolerate her and that she seems like a cool person, didn’t I?

And for Paulina, even if she’s not Luigi’s ex, I would still have the same opinion about her based on what we can find about her on the internet, because she did all that social work in another country and then encouraged birthright trips to an ethnostate. It's not really "zero" information?

But you’re right that this is Luigi’s thread, and we all should just focus on discussing him and his case. Let's focus on that from now. I only talked about his exes because I was replying to something I disagreed with about his ex, especially about Kaitlyn.

 

[weegeesbeautymark]

These are additional exhibits

 

[Blue Knat]

agree with everything you wrote, except for this. this almost comes off as making excuses for him. he is not a tragic, lost little boy. he's grown. tons pf parents failed their children early on (in even worse conditions -- poverty, overt abuse, addiction, etc), and tons of well-to-do, wealthy, perfectionist parents coddle their children and suppress individuality. they still don't make the decision to monkey the fuck out and kill someone because of an identity crisis.

Never said anything about him being tragic or lost. If anything, his parents were. I don't know what they are, or who they are, but as a parent, I can tell you that they suck. I tend to think Luigi was ill and/or on the spectrum from very early on, that the last milieu that he needed to be in was a high pressure environment. The kid had IBS and some form of Lyme disease at a pretty young age and his back was broke, was suffering from brain fog, and had all the signs of being kind of a hypochondriac. He wasn't being taken care of. No one was listening to how IBS can be caused from extreme stress. Luigi was never a tough kid. And yes, we can say that plenty of people don't turn to murder. Why did Luigi? I propose that because many rich kids have parents who may be neglectful, but they'll throw money at junior to take care of things when jr. pops up being a delinquent. His parents measured out him as a commodity, and placed him in institutions that would do the hard work and raise their boy genius into the perfectionistic, aspirational creature of their imaginations.

He wasn't well. He never was well. He never had the chance to be a normal fucking kid, chasing perfection like that. And there are privileged children who do become family annihilators, for example. They're out there. We can start with the Menendez brothers, but there are others.

You are confusing explanation with excuse. Of course it doesn't excuse his behavior. Of course there aren't more men who are Ted Bundy just because they're adopted. Something's wrong in his head, obviously. Combine that with the way he was raised, and you got part of the reason why he did what he did, and why others don't because the people who claimed to love him didn't see what was in front of their fucking stupid social climbing faces.

 

[RawMeat4Lyf]

Do you look like this too? Lmfao y'all are some ugly bitches

 

[The Crescent King]

Luigi pissed himself confirmed.