Lovecraft Country - HBO's show about shoggoths and Jim Crow

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cecograph said:
The only people I know who are fans of Lovecraft (as in, they've actually read his stories) know the guy was a racist, and we still think the claims about racism showing in his fiction are overblown.
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Yeah. Lovecraft was definitely bigoted, but the claims about his racism are still overblown because progressives have been/are slowly changing the definition of "racist." And Lovecraft fans know that and know to ignore them.

For example, the basic premise for The Shadow over Innsmouth requires the feeling of being an outsider in a strange, insular place filled with odd, possibly inhuman strangers who might be hostile. This is a feeling everyone understands, but wokescolds have redefined as "xenophobia" at best and "racism" at worst... which it isn't. It's the fear of the unknown and the "other," which is integral to a lot of horror (though you're barely able you do it anymore without getting shit because of political correctness) and which nobody is ever going to lecture out of the human experience.

As an aside, Niggerman is a great name for a cat :cunningpepe:
 
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cecograph said:
The only people I know who are fans of Lovecraft (as in, they've actually read his stories) know the guy was a racist, and we still think the claims about racism showing in his fiction are overblown.
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It does show though, minor as it is. Honestly, I mostly say that to gatekeep normies out of Lovecraft
 
So saying the n word is worse than the ultimate world ending cosmic horror that can play and shape your flesh and warping your reality at will ensuring a conscious eternal suffering?

Like having your body play host to a series of alien parasites as you're powerless to resist while your humanity is stripped away isn't even in the same realm of being prejudice.
 
Marissa Moira said:
So saying the n word is worse than the ultimate world ending cosmic horror that can play and shape your flesh and warping your reality at will ensuring a conscious eternal suffering?
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This isn't even a new conceit in Hollywood: HBO's Wokemen made pretty much the same proposition, with podunk white supremacists as somehow being equivalent to the thermonuclear annihilation of the human race. Tinseltown is so intellectually inbred (and (((genetically))) too, if their surnames are anything to go by) that racism is literally the worst thing in their worldview. This is what happens when people who've never suffered try to create art.
 
frozenrunner said:
For example, the basic premise for The Shadow over Innsmouth requires the feeling of being an outsider in a strange, insular place filled with odd, possibly inhuman strangers who might be hostile. This is a feeling everyone understands, but wokescolds have redefined as "xenophobia" at best and "racism" at worst... which it isn't. It's the fear of the unknown and the "other," which is integral to a lot of horror (though you're barely able you do it anymore without getting shit because of political correctness) and which nobody is ever going to lecture out of the human experience.
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You should probably re-read that story. It's blatantly about the horrors and degeneracy of miscegenation, a lot of time is spent blaming all the oddness on the townsfolk interbreeding with "South Sea Islanders", because of course Polynesian people are indistinguishable from inbred fish monsters. Still a damned good story, even if it is very racist.

Oh, and fear of unknown people or "others" is the exact dictionary definition of xenophobia, so you're just wrong on all counts and, in this particular instance, the whiny bitches are right.
 
I thought a big reason HP was so disregarded in his own time was because he didnt set it in the south. His big departure from other gothic authors at the time was that he didnt write stuff about how awful the south was, but instead set it in a place more familiar to urban audiences, like college towns and new england, etc.

Its crazy that people forget that from 1860-1930 the only stories in the US were about how evil the south was, the beloved classics from the US were more like the F&F of its day, either non-political or breaking from the hackery
 
Goodbye Horses said:
You should probably re-read that story. It's blatantly about the horrors and degeneracy of miscegenation, a lot of time is spent blaming all the oddness on the townsfolk interbreeding with "South Sea Islanders", because of course Polynesian people are indistinguishable from inbred fish monsters. Still a damned good story, even if it is very racist.

Oh, and fear of unknown people or "others" is the exact dictionary definition of xenophobia, so you're just wrong on all counts and, in this particular instance, the whiny bitches are right.
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I lean towards your critique here. I would also add into the mix that HPL was frightened of seafood.
 
Why do they greenlit this generic garbage instead of an actual Lovecraft adaption? Why won't studios let Guillermo Del Toro do At the Mountains of Madness? :(
 
So, this episode felt more Lovecraftian than the one before it... *mostly*. But the "dark truth" was more in line with Alister Crowley/Key of Solomon type esoteric Christianity than Lovecraft usually cared for.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Games like Silent Hill and Pathologic manage to at least get the atmosphere, because the "enemy" is this ineffable thing that you never directly see or fight (the town and the sand plague) which meshes with Lovecraft's own vision of cosmic horror as the terror of being a speck of dust riding on a blue and green marble in the impossibly vast, hostile ocean that is the universe. It's as much the realization of one's own insignificance as tentacles and insanity.



Now I'm just imagining Flannery O'Connor's work with a Lovecraft veneer, and it's working well. The Misfit could slot into a Lovecraft story without missing a beat. It would be much less New England, though, so I'm imagining isolated country houses with dark secrets and soul-crushing humidity instead of fog, and so on. O'Connor herself combined unintuitive elements (Catholic in the Deep South to start) so you could play that up to increase the sense of off-ness.



Wait, so this is a universe where Lovecraft's works exist, but are factual (more or less) and the main character has read them and...

...and this is the premise of Haiyore! Nyarko-San. I think I'll just re-watch that instead of putting up with Peele's "BLACKITY BLACKITY BLACK Y'ALL" horseshit.
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I wish I had a time machine, and could get Lovecraft's reaction to the Japanese turning Nyarlethotep into a loli.

Goodbye Horses said:
You should probably re-read that story. It's blatantly about the horrors and degeneracy of miscegenation, a lot of time is spent blaming all the oddness on the townsfolk interbreeding with "South Sea Islanders", because of course Polynesian people are indistinguishable from inbred fish monsters. Still a damned good story, even if it is very racist.

Oh, and fear of unknown people or "others" is the exact dictionary definition of xenophobia, so you're just wrong on all counts and, in this particular instance, the whiny bitches are right.
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Except the other tribes eventually deus vult'd the dagon worshippers. I always read the racism in that particular story to be the characters trying to explain why the whole town looks like Chicago's mayor. If you want a blatantly anti-miscegenation story from Lovecraft, read The Horror at Red Hook.
 
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