Disaster Losing the war on waste - On a pristine Australian island, the seabirds have become so full of plastic they crackle and crunch.

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The tiny Lord Howe Island is a sanctuary of volcanic rock off Australia’s east coast, so carefully preserved that the number of visitors allowed at any time is strictly controlled.

It’s home to about 500 humans and 44,000 shearwaters, more commonly known as mutton birds.

It is the last place you would expect to find wildlife with bellies full of plastic.

For about 18 years, Dr Jen Lavers has been travelling to Lord Howe Island to study the mutton birds, and every time finds more and more plastic inside them.

Last month, her team Adrift Lab found a bird that broke the record: almost a fifth of its entire body weight was plastic.

“To witness it first-hand, it is incredibly visceral. There is now so much plastic inside the birds you can feel it on the outside of the animal when it is still alive. As you press on its belly … you hear the pieces grinding against each other.

“That changes people.”

The mutton birds have become so full of plastic their bellies crunch and crackle with the sound of it.

It is a graphic sound, but one that the Lord Howe Island scientists want the world to hear.

A picture of anger and shame​

Dr Lavers has been seeking to raise the plight of the mutton bird, saying it is a canary in the coal mine for the world’s larger plastic problem.

And so, as Australian politicians campaigned in a federal election, she enlisted the help of long-time friend and Greens senator Peter Whish-Wilson, asking him to join her and see for himself the state of the mutton birds on Lord Howe Island.

Arriving to the island for the first time, Whish-Wilson said the mountainous landscape rising out of the fog was like something from Gilligan’s Island.

“It’s not really the kind of place you come to be shocked, and walk away feeling a little bit traumatised.”

That night, he joined researchers to visit the mutton birds at their rookery, a collection of nests dug into the sand at the beach.

He said the innocent birds were so unafraid of humans they would see the light of his head torch and run into his lap.

“They’re all running around, bumping into you, knocking things over. It’s kind of mayhem.”

There at the beach he helped the team to ‘lavage’ the birds — that is, he helped to feed a tube down their throats to flush them with water.

Then he watched the stomach contents spill into a tray: a syringe cap, a cigarette butt, a screw cap from a piece of furniture, and larger bits of plastic that were harder to dislodge.

“The tub was full,” he said.

“It was horrible to see. It was very sad. I felt a real range of emotions, from anger and sadness through to shame, and I don’t know, just frustration.”

The next day, the team dissected birds that had been found dead on the beach, and what was inside was worse.

Since Dr Lavers’s first visit in 2008, she has witnessed an increase from about three quarters of birds carrying about five to 10 pieces of plastic, to every single bird having 50 or more pieces.

Until last month, the most they had ever found was 403 pieces in 2024.

“I’m sad to say just yesterday we blew [the record] out of the water, and our new record holder is 778 pieces of plastic in an 80-day-old seabird chick, in one of the most pristine corners of our planet.”

Arranged on a sheet, the mosaic of plastic could be mistaken for a piece of art.

Dr Lavers says what is happening to the mutton birds is happening everywhere.

Plastics and microplastics are being found in everything, oceans, food, even in humans, and the migratory shearwater is a ‘sentinel species’ for a bigger problem.

“These birds have a very important story to tell, and what they are telling us is that their populations are in decline, that the amount of plastic they’re consuming is going up and up,” she said.

“The birds are telling us we need to do more.”

Whish-Wilson says what he witnessed moved him.

“What’s been seen can’t be unseen. I wish every politician and every decision maker in parliaments around the world, because this is a global problem, I wish they could all experience what I experienced just for 24 hours, to come down here and do it themselves, and then they’ll get it,” he said.

“We are not winning the war on waste.”

Plastic recycling has not improved​

The most recent waste data for Australia shows that the average Australian generated about 512 kilograms of waste in a year — about 50 kilograms of that being plastic waste.

Australia is producing more plastic waste per capita than in 2017, when a baseline measurement was taken.

That year, about 12.5 per cent of plastic was recycled, with the rest sent to landfill.

The most recent data, five years on, shows plastic recycling rates have not improved at all.

The responsible industry group admitted last year its target for 70 per cent of plastics to be recycled by 2025 “clearly” would not be met.

The recycling sector says the problem is simple: there are simply not enough companies buying enough recycled products.

“The major missing piece is demand. We’re really good at collecting and sorting, we can process in Australia, but what we are not doing in Australia is buying it back,” Waste Management and Resource Recovery chief executive Gayle Sloan says.

But there is an idea being floated in parliament to make packaging producers more responsible for their products.

The United Kingdom has introduced world-leading laws that require at least 30 per cent of plastic products to be made from recycled materials.

For every kilogram of “non-compliant” plastic that does not reach that 30 per cent threshold, producers suffer a financial penalty.

Whish-Wilson has found an uncommon ally across the chamber in Nationals senator Ross Cadell, who last month both handed down a report calling on Australia to legislate a Circular Economy Act, and force producers to use more recycled products and take responsibility for its entire life cycle.

“I think the reason we’re losing is because the only focus we’ve had on circularity, or, you know, recycling or waste reduction, whatever you want to call it, has been on the end of the pipe, on the businesses that actually have to clean up the mess.”

A Labor-led inquiry into waste, established by the recently replaced environment minister, has also recommended considering a 30 per cent recycled content target with “incentives or mandates” on local plastic manufacturers to reach it.

Newly installed Environment Minister Murray Watt told the ABC the government was committed to “new rules to produce less waste in the first place”.

“This includes consideration of mandatory requirements for recycled content in packaging,” Watt said.

“Our reform will also include enforcement measures to make sure companies adhere to our strong regulations.”

With a new term of parliament, a new environment minister and the final round of global negotiations on a treaty to end plastic pollution, Whish-Wilson hopes that momentum is building.

“It’s a really big issue in people’s minds. Now, like globally, there’s a push to get this high-ambition treaty. You know, [former prime minister] Scott Morrison even flew to to New York to raise plastic pollution as an issue at the United Nations,” he said.

“My experience in politics is things take a long time to change, but when they do, they can happen really quickly. And I feel like we are on the cusp of that.”

On the cusp of change​

In March 2022, United Nations members endorsed a resolution to end plastic pollution, and agreed to forge a legally binding agreement by the end of 2024.

That deadline passed without a deal.

But a final session of negotiations is due to be held in August in Geneva.

Former environment minister Tanya Plibersek warned that UN assembly last year that plastic production was set to triple by 2060, “and experts predict plastics in oceans could outweigh fish by 2050 — making this treaty critical”.

A review of Australia’s last major reforms to the waste sector, introduced under former prime minister Scott Morrison, is due in weeks.

Whish-Wilson says it is time for Australia to turn its eye on the “front end” of the waste pipe, where the plastic gets made, not where it gets spat out.

“The big problem, it’s actually quite simple how to solve this. All government policies all around the world, including here in Australia, have been targeted at the end of the waste pipe. When the waste comes out we try and recycle it, we try and recover resources from it, or we send it off to landfill, or it ends up in our environment.

“What we need to do is focus on the front of the pipe, the producers of this plastic. Packaging is the biggest cause of plastic pollution on the planet, and in the ocean, and I saw it in the stomach of all these poor seabirds.

“Everyone out there hates plastic pollution. They hate seeing it on the beaches. They hate the idea of it being in our bodies. They hate it being in their food and in their seafood. It doesn’t matter what political colour you are, most people don’t want to see this issue, so they want to see politicians solve it.”

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One thing that’s really changed here is how dirty everything is - there’s litter all along every road and highway, people fly tip rubbish.
Who fly tips? The immigrants and gypsies
Why? Because as well as not giving a shit, under retarded ‘environmental’ rules vists to the tip in many places are limited and disposing of rubbish is expensive. Now I know there’s a cost to disposal, I get that, but people generate trash and that trash has to be disposed of. It’d be much better to just have free non commercial disposal, in the long run it pays for itself.
I hate hate hate these modern ‘green’ rules that do nothing at for the environment but are simply a tool of control
When I think of all the free aid the huddled masses get it starts to form a picture around the free shit none of us get. They get free healthcare, free education, free housing, free needles, free castration even! (Former friend just got one because in a hurry because of TDS.) But not free water or trash pickup. That shit just keeps skyrocketing in price. Road maintenance and cleanup - called those people, not enough money. But we can hand out needles and pipes to junkies. Ok. And it IS equivalent. The salary of the woman running the program is tremendous and so is it for all of the people under her, under them, down to every handout station.
Anyway, how many of these birds got syringes in their gullet?
 
A big problem shearwaters (the birds talked about in this article) in particular are having is that typically once the chicks hatch from their eggs, their parents start working to fill the chicks’ stomachs with as much food as possible. They do this for about 80 to 90 days, regurgitating squid and fish into their chicks’ mouths. That is how it normally works but the trouble is that now due to pollution, the birds are mistaking plastic for something that isn't that and giving it to their young.
I knew when I read that an 80 day old bird broke the record that they were straight up going out of their way to eat plastic. Not that it makes it okay but it's not like they just happen to get it from their normal food sources.
Some places here recently (2-3 years ago) went back to glass bottles for milk. Stuff flies off the shelves. It isnt the glass alone it's a high quality brand but it's been tried and succeeded so who knows maybe it will spread.
In many places you can return the glass bottles to the store for some money back and the bottles get reused or recycled. If you do this, the price isn't that much more, really.
 
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We should go back to glass bottles, they're easier to recycle, and drinks taste better in them.
I've heard it said that any single piece of glass can only be recycled a few times before material properties start to suffer. Claim goes that some amount of mineral impurity is actually good for the glass and makes it strong, but at the temperatures involved and with the glass molten those impurities are able to escape/be driven out.
In a wood or coal fired furnace that's not a problem because the heat brings its own impurities to replace those that are driven out, but in a modern 'emission-free' electric process (or even a clean-burning natgas furnace) the glass loses strength with each cycle.
 
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Crabs using it as shells. Animals dead tangled in it, Never saw a single English language or euro language label on any of it, it was all Asian scripts. All of it washed up on this tiny speck of land, which means oceans full of it. Fishing gear, bottles, flip flops, containers, endless bottle caps, just depressing detritus.
And that's why none of this will get solved. It's very waycist to say China or India or Africa are filthy fucking places that pollute the world.
 
I did some field work years back on a pristine island, no people anywhere near, and I am haunted by what I saw on the beaches - just piles of plastic. Mounds of it. Crabs using it as shells. Animals dead tangled in it, Never saw a single English language or euro language label on any of it, it was all Asian scripts. All of it washed up on this tiny speck of land, which means oceans full of it. Fishing gear, bottles, flip flops, containers, endless bottle caps, just depressing detritus.
And almost all of it comes from Asia amd africa. Rivers full of it. They treat their ecosystem like garbage. It’s not Australia or Denmark or the uk this waste enters the sea from. It’s not western rigs (zero discharge policy, very big fines) it’s Asia and Africa and the third world. We all recycle and bin ours.
Human beings have always been wasteful creatures. It's not that we won't or can't reuse things or repurpose them, it's that when a thing is truly no longer useful we just toss it. The difference is until the last hundred years or so, everything would biodegrade or otherwise end up back in the natural order of things. A banana peel tossed in the woods rots. A broken piece of machinery rusts away. Glass eventually wears down into sand. But with plastics and taxic wastes, those things might as well be eternal. Since there is zero incentive in Asia and Africa to clean up their act, they have no problem with just tossing their waste, especially if it ends up on someone else's island. After all, out of sight, out of mind is a real thing. Not that China or India care about polluted Chinese or Indian cities in the first place.
 
I knew when I read that an 80 day old bird broke the record that they were straight up going out of their way to eat plastic. Not that it makes it okay but it's not like they just happen to get it from their normal food sources.
Their "normal" food is random stuff they pick off the surface of the ocean.

There's nothing in nature that would warn them off.
 
Look up McQueens dairies. Switched years ago and much prefer it. They're outspoken against that Bovar stuff too.
I just looked them up.

This is marvellous. Pretty reasonable cost in a glass bottle and they deliver for 7am two days a week, free delivery and they collect your empties!

And can get the usual orange juice, milkshakes, eggs, etc. too.

This is grand!

Some places here recently (2-3 years ago) went back to glass bottles for milk. Stuff flies off the shelves. It isnt the glass alone it's a high quality brand but it's been tried and succeeded so who knows maybe it will spread.
I hope so. I miss glass bottles.

I've heard it said that any single piece of glass can only be recycled a few times before material properties start to suffer. Claim goes that some amount of mineral impurity is actually good for the glass and makes it strong, but at the temperatures involved and with the glass molten those impurities are able to escape/be driven out.
In a wood or coal fired furnace that's not a problem because the heat brings its own impurities to replace those that are driven out, but in a modern 'emission-free' electric process (or even a clean-burning natgas furnace) the glass loses strength with each cycle.
Coincidentally I just saw on the McQueen's Dairies site that their bottles are recycled 25 times. So there's something to what you say but it's considerably more than a few. And honestly, we're not going to run out of sand any time soon.
 
I've heard it said that any single piece of glass can only be recycled a few times before material properties start to suffer. Claim goes that some amount of mineral impurity is actually good for the glass and makes it strong, but at the temperatures involved and with the glass molten those impurities are able to escape/be driven out.
In a wood or coal fired furnace that's not a problem because the heat brings its own impurities to replace those that are driven out, but in a modern 'emission-free' electric process (or even a clean-burning natgas furnace) the glass loses strength with each cycle.
I wouldn't say that it can't be recycled, only that it stops being commercially viable to recycle it as a primary product. As it picks up impurities, eventually you just have to refine it all through chemical means to remove the undesired materials. This costs energy and reagents, but it can be done when raw materials are scarce. Except, it's glass made of super common elements, so might as well just use the degraded glass as ground fill sand as a final recycled product. Last I checked, there's always a demand for generic sand in construction and roadwork.
 
I was just talking in the coomsoomer thread how ridiculous packaging for shit like face creams is now, literally huge plastic boxes for a tiny bottle, and it all ends up in the trash.

Anyway, just sell the birds as "extra crunchy chicken" at kfc.
Africa and the third world
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The vast majority is SEasia and china, with india pakistan adding to it. LATAM seems to have its shit together, africa is shit but as you can see they use very little (because they are poor af) so not "the third world" as a whole.

Also consider a ton of companies here in the west who claim to recycle plastics actually just ship it to SEasia and pocket the money, and then the SEAmonkeys literally dump it in the ocean.

What I'm trying to say is.............we need to nuke all seagulls, that's what the AI told me.
 
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This is a genuine environmental issue. Not bloody carbon or cow farts - we are making things so filthy and polluted that these birds are full of plastic.
I did some field work years back on a pristine island, no people anywhere near, and I am haunted by what I saw on the beaches - just piles of plastic. Mounds of it. Crabs using it as shells. Animals dead tangled in it, Never saw a single English language or euro language label on any of it, it was all Asian scripts. All of it washed up on this tiny speck of land, which means oceans full of it. Fishing gear, bottles, flip flops, containers, endless bottle caps, just depressing detritus.
And almost all of it comes from Asia amd africa. Rivers full of it. They treat their ecosystem like garbage. It’s not Australia or Denmark or the uk this waste enters the sea from. It’s not western rigs (zero discharge policy, very big fines) it’s Asia and Africa and the third world. We all recycle and bin ours.
Past nuking the global south off the map, I have no idea how it will get fixed
Not just third world. First world countries figured it'd be cheaper to ship thier shit at a smaller price and let the third world countries dump it so they can look the other way. The whole concept of recycling was just a scam to make people feel good about themselves, after people started to question just how logical it was to mass produce crap that takes God only how long to completely decompose, if ever. I'll edit my post later when I found a really good video I watched about this a coupke years back. Very depressing.

Edit: The video below.


There's more too. Just search recycling and scam.
 
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Simply destroy India and China (I wish for this every day). Then take the strains of bacteria that's been eating plastics already in places such as the huge garbage patches in the ocean and elsewhere, grow a shit load of it in liquid culture then spread it all over using crop dusters or something. Also probably take some of the genes that help the bacteria break down plastic and put them in people/gene drive it them through populations of native animals and probaly fungi. That's the "easiest and cheapest" way to almost fully solve the issue in short time. Will it happen? Not unless people get
 
They need to go talk to various countries in Asia. People in the US put out trash in landfills and we recycle. But I have seen countries in Asia that look like fucking garbage pits. especially India and countries in Southeast Asia. Those people are fucking pigs.
 
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We gave up the stars for this.
I talk about this a lot, not that it will effect the world but I do talk about this a lot. haha
it's funny to see someone else saying it for once.
This is a genuine environmental issue. Not bloody carbon or cow farts - we are making things so filthy and polluted that these birds are full of plastic.
I did some field work years back on a pristine island, no people anywhere near, and I am haunted by what I saw on the beaches - just piles of plastic. Mounds of it. Crabs using it as shells. Animals dead tangled in it, Never saw a single English language or euro language label on any of it, it was all Asian scripts. All of it washed up on this tiny speck of land, which means oceans full of it. Fishing gear, bottles, flip flops, containers, endless bottle caps, just depressing detritus.
And almost all of it comes from Asia amd africa. Rivers full of it. They treat their ecosystem like garbage. It’s not Australia or Denmark or the uk this waste enters the sea from. It’s not western rigs (zero discharge policy, very big fines) it’s Asia and Africa and the third world. We all recycle and bin ours.
Past nuking the global south off the map, I have no idea how it will get fixed
it's like finding the forbidden truth out there to discover such a thing. what an interesting opportunity you had.
china and africa lie about their activities, like hell they would ever admit to it. but you found it out there like that.
very informative. it's like you found the horrifying truth out there.
 
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Environmental news like this genuinely makes me feel sick and depressed.

You aren’t going to get the third world to care though-shitskins lack fundamental empathy for animals and the environment. Only White people care about that.
 
I was just talking in the coomsoomer thread how ridiculous packaging for shit like face creams is now, literally huge plastic boxes for a tiny bottle, and it all ends up in the trash.

Anyway, just sell the birds as "extra crunchy chicken" at kfc.

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The vast majority is SEasia and china, with india pakistan adding to it. LATAM seems to have its shit together, africa is shit but as you can see they use very little (because they are poor af) so not "the third world" as a whole.

Also consider a ton of companies here in the west who claim to recycle plastics actually just ship it to SEasia and pocket the money, and then the SEAmonkeys literally dump it in the ocean.

What I'm trying to say is.............we need to nuke all seagulls, that's what the AI told me.
Clearly, Americans must pay for the world's misdeeds, because expecting literally anyone else to do it would be bigotry.
 
Just thinking about this genuinely makes me feel angry and upset.

Just think about this-these birds are in terrible pain, from the first time their mothers shove plastic down their throats because they don’t know any better.

They spend their entire lives being poisoned and in terrible pain.

Just God Damn, I feel guilty not wanting to think about it.
 
This is a genuine environmental issue. Not bloody carbon or cow farts - we are making things so filthy and polluted that these birds are full of plastic.
I did some field work years back on a pristine island, no people anywhere near, and I am haunted by what I saw on the beaches - just piles of plastic. Mounds of it. Crabs using it as shells. Animals dead tangled in it, Never saw a single English language or euro language label on any of it, it was all Asian scripts. All of it washed up on this tiny speck of land, which means oceans full of it. Fishing gear, bottles, flip flops, containers, endless bottle caps, just depressing detritus.
And almost all of it comes from Asia amd africa. Rivers full of it. They treat their ecosystem like garbage. It’s not Australia or Denmark or the uk this waste enters the sea from. It’s not western rigs (zero discharge policy, very big fines) it’s Asia and Africa and the third world. We all recycle and bin ours.
Past nuking the global south off the map, I have no idea how it will get fixed
Agreed.

That and the Chinese fishing fleets make me want a nuclear strike on the top 10 biggest cities of every 3rd world country on earth

I've heard it said that any single piece of glass can only be recycled a few times before material properties start to suffer. Claim goes that some amount of mineral impurity is actually good for the glass and makes it strong, but at the temperatures involved and with the glass molten those impurities are able to escape/be driven out.
In a wood or coal fired furnace that's not a problem because the heat brings its own impurities to replace those that are driven out, but in a modern 'emission-free' electric process (or even a clean-burning natgas furnace) the glass loses strength with each cycle.
Nope, it's technically infinite, you just have to keep impurities out.


Coincidentally I just saw on the McQueen's Dairies site that their bottles are recycled 25 times. So there's something to what you say but it's considerably more than a few. And honestly, we're not going to run out of sand any time soon
25 times is reasonable although if you keep the process tightly controlled it can be almost infinite.

I love glass bottles and aluminum cans. Good honest storage. Plus stainless steel or aluminum water containers.
 
Regarding the original news. Birds that are full of plastics are also birds that are sick.
Low quality and lack of food will make animal eat anything that is available.
Seagulls are full of this shit and are still thriving because they go to the dumpsites to eat.
I've heard it said that any single piece of glass can only be recycled a few times before material properties start to suffer. Claim goes that some amount of mineral impurity is actually good for the glass and makes it strong, but at the temperatures involved and with the glass molten those impurities are able to escape/be driven out.
In a wood or coal fired furnace that's not a problem because the heat brings its own impurities to replace those that are driven out, but in a modern 'emission-free' electric process (or even a clean-burning natgas furnace) the glass loses strength with each cycle.
The biggest issue for glass losing strength is addition of lead glass (from old crt's) into the mix. Organic impurities burn out and are really not an issue.
Glass is basically just silica sand with melting point modifier and that's all there's to it.
By itself, nothing special.
Colored glass cannot be reprocessed properly since it has metal oxides that give it colour. Those can be removed with chlorine, but it's expensive, so glass for windows is mostly virgin.
Furnaces today are for the most part recuperative gas burner types - direct in burner recuperation or switching fire and flue recuperation. Nat gas burns just high enough to make it all liquid and it's cheap.
 
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