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It seems Diddyblud_the_Sensei has finally responded to his student and it got much, much, much worse!
It's a tricky problem, and a lot of people don't want to be convinced. The stigmas and associations can ruin people socially which makes people afraid to even think about it.If it's personal friends it may not be worth the hassle and risk, but that's something you would need to feel out and make a judgement call on.If you do think it's necessary, the best thing you can do is probably to start small. Bit by bit with the less controversial ideas that are easier to accept and see where their lines are and how flexible their thinking really is. People tend to retreat into cognitive dissonance and become irrationally defensive if you challenge their preconceptions too directly and too quickly. It can backfire and make them more emotional instead of more understanding.You would need to feel out their boundaries and negotiate them a bit. If they like characters with "problematic ages" that "look mature" that's already a foot in the door. They've accepted that some aspects of fiction don't actually matter, just the intentions. Finding common ground helps here too, like making sure they know you think it's horrible that people commit crimes against children. This gives them a framework for what your values are that they will compare to other things you say later. As long as they remember it. Repetition helps here.It's a gradual process of common ground, mutual understanding, being empathetic to their emotions, and going slow with introducing these sensitive ideas and topics. People won't accept the whole story all at once, but breaking into one small piece at a time is much easier to accept.Tangentially related topics like censorship can be a good foot in the door too depending on how much they care about it. You can always drill in on the fact that everything "controversial" is a target for censorship. Any justification we accept for censoring one thing applies just as strongly to anything else. Child safety? Same arguments are used to call for eradicating violent games over fears it will turn them violent. Same arguments also condemn every character with a "problematic age" no matter how "mature" they look. Virtually everyone who likes anime becomes a "criminal" when you accept this idea. Even arguments of it "normalizing" certain things. This applies to violent games too, and also to things like furries who could be accused of "normalizing" things with animals.When you get someone to think about it rationally for themselves, to defend the things they decided are safe (furry, "problematic ages", etc) you can help them come to conclusions on their own, making it much easier for them to accept. When faced with their own logical inconsistency, that's when they'll actually think about it earnestly. Confronting or pushing them again may only backfire. But leading them to their own conclusions gradually tends to be more effective.It's a risk either way though. Due to stigmas not everyone will accept it even under ideal circumstances. If you don't want to lose a friend, it's something to think about carefully and decide if it's even worth that risk.Think of it like political views and what those can do to relationships today. Some will engage in good faith and may find some common ground. Others may wish violent harm on you instead and look for any excuse or opportunity to attack you emotionally or physically just for having a different opinion on it.Beyond that I think time will make the biggest difference. Either for the better or for worse. Discourse may fade, people stop caring, some other thing takes peoples attention, or maybe anime is just criminalized. No one can say until we get there. But moral panics don't tend to last if history is any example.
I'll condense some of the more damning parts for those that don't care to read the Great Wall of Epstein
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"If it's personal friends it may not be worth the hassle and risk, but that's something you would need to feel out and make a judgement call on.If you do think it's necessary, the best thing you can do is probably to start small. Bit by bit with the less controversial ideas that are easier to accept and see where their lines are and how flexible their thinking really is."
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"You would need to feel out their boundaries and negotiate them a bit. If they like characters with "problematic ages" that "look mature" that's already a foot in the door."
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"Finding common ground helps here too, like making sure they know you think it's horrible that people commit crimes against children. This gives them a framework for what your values are that they will compare to other things you say later. "
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"Repetition helps here.It's a gradual process of common ground, mutual understanding, being empathetic to their emotions, and going slow with introducing these sensitive ideas and topics. People won't accept the whole story all at once, but breaking into one small piece at a time is much easier to accept.Tangentially related topics like censorship can be a good foot in the door too depending on how much they care about it. You can always drill in on the fact that everything "controversial" is a target for censorship."
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" This applies to violent games too, and also to things like furries who could be accused of "normalizing" things with animals.When you get someone to think about it rationally for themselves, to defend the things they decided are safe (furry, "problematic ages", etc) you can help them come to conclusions on their own, making it much easier for them to accept."
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"Confronting or pushing them again may only backfire. But leading them to their own conclusions gradually tends to be more effective."
I will update the archive of this page when archive.ph lets me. The last one was made too recently I guess.
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. I'm also unable to find the archive of the tweet because it's either erroneous or it wasn't captured from the Internet Archive. NO, I am not fucking kidding. He actually admits to that.