Lolbertarian Cringe - A place to post libertarians saying crazy shit

[WelperHelper99]

is a concession that your standard is victory and not right. An erasure of ethics.
Armies are instruments, they can defend rights or violate them. They don't create the rights they claim to secure. Civilization is the taming of conquest by property, contract, and consent. Where force is the rule, stability and wealth collapse into tribute.
Invoking Lincoln to sanctify conquest is mistaking the principle for the outcome. No justification, only history as a scoreboard.

Victory is what matters in the end. If you lose, you are the bitch of someone bigger. If you win, you are the master of your destiny. That is the law of the world. If the South had won there would still be slavery in the US and Lincoln would be a footnote. Ethics are nice until you have to put them into practice. Then you must prove their worth.

 

[pink cupcake frosting]

how about Rand Paul and other lolberts pearl clutching about killing cartel members trying to poison Americans?

Which kind of Americans gets addicted to drugs? Certainly not the one that should reproduce.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Victory is what matters in the end. If you lose, you are the bitch of someone bigger. If you win, you are the master of your destiny. That is the law of the world. If the South had won there would still be slavery in the US and Lincoln would be a footnote. Ethics are nice until you have to put them into practice. Then you must prove their worth.

... you're mistaking existence for endorsement again. Yes, conquest happens. But that is the reason why ethics exist. To decide which acts are legitimate. Not to pretend that there isn't going to be any.
Saying "the strong win" is a description, not a rule to live by. It's the reason human beings have come up with fences, contracts, and law. To contain that impulse.
If you think victory creates right, then right disappears the moment you lose. A civilization that bases legitimacy on winning eventually runs out of winners.

 

[WelperHelper99]

... you're mistaking existence for endorsement again. Yes, conquest happens. But that is the reason why ethics exist. To decide which acts are legitimate. Not to pretend that there isn't going to be any.
Saying "the strong win" is a description, not a rule to live by. It's the reason human beings have come up with fences, contracts, and law. To contain that impulse.
If you think victory creates right, then right disappears the moment you lose. A civilization that bases legitimacy on winning eventually runs out of winners.

All civilizations fade. What matters is making it last a long while. You keep fighting, you keep on winning. That can be through war, law, or trade. What matters is your tribe survives.

Eventually it all falls apart. But not in your lifetime necessarily.

 

[Lach]

I only support Libertarianism since it essentially defaults to feudalism and I like knights, coat of arms and horsies

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

All civilizations fade. What matters is making it last a long while. You keep fighting, you keep on winning. That can be through war, law, or trade. What matters is your tribe survives.

Eventually it all falls apart. But not in your lifetime necessarily.

If all that matters is that a tribe lasts a little longer, then you've traded humanity for herd instinct. Survival is biology, but civilization is principle.
The question was never how long it lasts, but whether it's worth lasting.

 

[WelperHelper99]

If all that matters is that a tribe lasts a little longer, then you've traded humanity for herd instinct. Survival is biology, but civilization is principle.
The question was never how long it lasts, but whether it's worth lasting.

Principle? Civilization is the road I drive on, the water in the pipes, and the place I live. Civilization lives on, even after an empire falls, one more shall take its place. It is the order of things. If it was worth it or not is a personal question. One not objective.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Principle? Civilization is the road I drive on, the water in the pipes, and the place I live. Civilization lives on, even after an empire falls, one more shall take its place. It is the order of things. If it was worth it or not is a personal question. One not objective.

The asphalt and plumbing you describe are artifacts of civilization, not civilization itself. Civilization is the network of voluntary exchange that made these things possible. When conquest replaces consent, the pipes keep running (until the day they stop) but the builders are gone

 

[Male Idiot]

Superpower 2021 sir

Even India functions better than lolberts. And it runs on poo.

might as well get these out of the way
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Now now stop making lolberts aound fun anime guy.

That is life.

You get to leave after. It's not.

Arresting people that prey on others is protecting the rights of others. Lol.

States killed to end them. Your argument is moot.

It is for the person that gets through his cancer.

No. The clean water act is what cleaned up the river. The US Navy continues to blow pirates out of the sea. OSHA enforces workplace safety standards. Slavery was ended at gunpoint. Wrong.

The USA is a vile jew creation that deserves its niggers it killed its own volk to free.

I hate to be the one to inform you, but for ALL of human history, man has conquered each other. Land has been traded in countless battles, countless times. In no time in history, has your libertine ideals ever won out. This is reality. I live in reality. Your esoteric ethics don't fucking matter when it's you verses a group. They will take your shit and run you over. Your only way to avoid this is to participate in society so you do not get run over. Only as a group does man have a chance at surviving to the next day.

And yes. Everything is ownership by conquest. If i beat you, if i win, i get to do anything i want. While you have screamed about YOUR ethics, you fail to understand mine. I'm traditional nigger. A Republican in all aspects. I am anti slavery, anti communism, and pro putting a boot in the ass of external threats to the American people. Abraham Lincoln was the most based man in the last 160 years.

That means you are a zogbot, a mindless slave to the ADL, SPLC, and the AIPAC.

Behold, the perfect goy. And a good excuse for me to spend money for chinese tiddy games as an act of passive resistance. Buy chinese or russian if you can!

Communist is a more lovely person than you in every aspect.

But to return to lolbert from zogbots, it is clear that lolberts are autistic narcissists who live on an infinite resources planet that had humans genetically incapable of lying, incapable of random nigger violence, and yet still have advnced technology (or do they use wooden balldos?) or have tech companies that never send pinkertons on you.

It is simply, a utopia, maybe lolberts should join the Amish, or make their own Amish version where drugs are divinely ordained.

Ethics are hardcoded mental hardware for them, that every lolbert must obey buy and never abuse. Also, there can be no non libertarians on this planet to make sure they don't get rolled over onw by one by the People's Army of Planet Liberty.

The fact that niggers don't care is incomprehensible to them.

 

[Meriasek]

"Compassion" is when you let people die because they don't have enough money. Compassion isn't when society chips in to save people from dying by giving people access to healthcare to pay for cancer treatment. That doesn't sound like morality. That's just the devil using your body as a conduit. Anyone who takes moral advice from you is clearly someone on the path to hell.

His point is that enforced charity is not charity at all. He doesn't want to let people die if they can't afford treatment, he'd want the treatment be paid by people out of their own free will and not through people being forced to pay for it. The assumption is that enough people will give to charity out of their own volition to save other people's lives so that forced charity wouldn't be necessary. And if you're a dickhead nobody wants to pay for, then you die. No loss.
Lolbertian society is basically utopian. It, like many other utopian visions like communism, requires a New Man to function properly. A New Man that conforms to the ideals of the society. Dissent in the society is supposed to be dealt with by individual, punitive action, all still out of free will by those performing it. Say, a guy steals something, then he would not be caught and punished by the police and courts, but by those he stole from, and publically dealt with in whatever way they see fit. If the punishment is too harsh, those dealing out the punishment would be then subject to the actions of those around them. Guy steals a bread, baker decides to hang him, people shun the baker for being a psychopath and so on.
The problem is that this, again, hinges on the vast majority of the society conforming to the ideals of said society, but it's a very unstable society. Even if everyone is armed to the extend they can afford, there is nothing that will prevent a quick collapse into tyranny by those who can afford it. The only thing preventing that is, well, the New Man being incorruptable and too noble to stray from the utopian vision. In reality, with real people, it'll collapse fast.
Real societies have thus traded some personal freedom for safety. By forming a state as a representative of the people and giving the state the monopoly for force and violence, it is much more efficient to keep society stable since it ensures a baseline of justice that people at least mostly agree upon. Dissent against the system is allowed within a certain range, and the system itself is allowed to change as it is supposed to be a representation of the people within it. One can argue that this is not really the case anymore, but that's not the point right now.
Lolbert society hinges on the rationality, compassion, and purity of morals of the people within it. If I remember correctly, @XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG made a whole thread about the philosophical foundations of his libertarian society and how people would need to change to make the utopia work.
So he recognizes that his vision is untenable and requires a New Man. I don't care much for such visions, of course any utopia works if the people are perfect. It's the same as communism, with the New Man there wouldn't need to be any laws of governments since everything would be shared freely by everyone.

 

[Smoltine Kiminal]

You wish to overturn the world order. I wish for life to get a little cheaper.

thats too bad, life will only become more and more expensive so long you still have something left over to save or invest
the only way for life to get a little bit cheaper again would be for you and a lot of other normies to understand that, so you'd want to overturn the current world order
sadly being delusional seems more comfortable to you
of course libertarianism is not the only possible way to make things a little cheaper, but crony capitalism certainly does not allow for it

He thinks countries that have healthcare provided by taxes are selfish enough not to care about people dying from cancer and going bankrupt from it.

healthcare is the worst possible example, or the best, depending on your point of view

most people will agree that someone in need should be helped, the (of course deeply corrupt) government uses this to extract taxes "to help people", using compassion to manipulate them
this money then flows into pharma companies & healthcare providers, which have absolutely insane profit margins, way upwards of 90% for some medications, profit margins for medical tech in hospitals is similar
politicans get sweet sweet pharma kickbacks, doctors get pharma kickbacks for prescribing the newest most expensive medication
the pharma industry has no incentive to heal people, they can extract the maximum amount of profit by making the patient dependent on them
take insulin for instance, it costs TEN TIMES AS MUCH as it should, because of crony capitalism
under libertarianism and other non-jewish societal structures insulin would have a profit margin of under 10%, but thanks to patents, the pharma companies have a monopoly on it, and you (or your insurance provider / the government) pays whatever it costs to keep you alive
>inb4 but research funding etc.
research right now is oftentimes funded in part of or full with government grants, yet the patents will stay with the company doing the research
furthermore life expectancy in western countries peaked decades ago, proving that medical research is not useful (anymore) in keeping people healthy, for one reason or another

 

[regalterry]

Civilization is the network of voluntary exchange

Civilization can be described as many things, but "voluntary exchange" is not one of them.

 

[agent_donkey]

Does this count?

 

[Neodanthril]

I joined to point out that the Libertarian Party is fundamentally broken

It It didn't take two pages of political sperging to say that. You instead chose to derail the thread into arguing the merits of your preferred political philosophy, which is only on topic because your theories are so bad its laughable.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Does this count?
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Reddit? The least libertarian discussion space on the Internet? lol
Or did Bluesky take the crown
Behold /r/Libertarian

hey fellow kids, you should listen to government. Government knows best and has your best interest at heart! Don't you know, to be a good libertarian you must believe that an emergency necessitates removing your freedoms? All the cool libertarians believe that!

 

[Meriasek]

It It didn't take two pages of political sperging to say that. You instead chose to derail the thread into arguing the merits of your preferred political philosophy, which is only on topic because your theories are so bad its laughable.

But it's lolbert cringe and thus perfectly on topic.

 

[Male Idiot]

Does this count?
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Peak reddit moment right there.

As above said, it requires a new man. Utopia was based on a satirical novel if I recall.

But do sovereign citizens count? Because those have a lot of funny videos.

Usually about not renewing their license plates and instead of accepting the fine, they argue at the cops until their car window gets broken and afterwards they try to convince the judge that the US is a british company, and they weren't driving the car, but travelling the car.

 

[agent_donkey]

But do sovereign citizens count?

I'm shocked that I can't find a Community Watch on them.
That said, screeching about idiotic philosophies and assaulting police officers because the State Company™ permits it, is kinda different in spirit.
But I'm a newfag, so whatever do I know about thread organization.

Reddit? The least libertarian discussion space on the Internet? lol

Don't generalize based on abstractions! They are all free individuals with a temporary contract of conditional association!

 

[Delany's Donkey]

Peak reddit moment right there.

As above said, it requires a new man. Utopia was based on a satirical novel if I recall.

But do sovereign citizens count? Because those have a lot of funny videos.

Usually about not renewing their license plates and instead of accepting the fine, they argue at the cops until their car window gets broken and afterwards they try to convince the judge that the US is a british company, and they weren't driving the car, but travelling the car.

maybe i should make a separate thread for sovereign citizens

 

[Rapesputin]

maybe i should make a separate thread for sovereign citizens

Do it and my strawman's birth fund is yours