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[WelperHelper99]

>humans think and behave this way
Observation isn't justification. Describing fear and domination does not explain why they should rule.

Does it need to? The powerful rule because they fought for the right to rule.

>you and what army
The same one every people have ever had, voluntary association. Coercion doesn't create defense, it destroys defense. States lose wars too.

Getting drafted isn't voluntary but it is nessicary at times to survive against the hordes. Your solution loses 100% of the time. The state loses only 50%.

>rights are collectively maintained
Then they aren't rights, then they're just permissions from whoever holds the whip.

lol. There is no way to protect your rights without an enforcement mechanism.

>without regulation you'd have slavery and poison
Well, we had both with regulation. Markets correct by withdrawal and reputation, states correct by body count.

The markets got rid of neither. It was heavy regulation that got rid of both.

>libertarians have no humanity
Compassion without consent is just forced charity. It's moral vanity enforced at gunpoint.

Its called having a heart.

If coercion against peaceful people is your answer to every problem, show one case where it solved abuse without creating a greater one.

Piracy. Slavery. Chemicals being dumped in the water. Horrible safety standards. The list goes on.

 

[Neodanthril]

You need a notification to know you were the target? Here, I'll humor you, since it seems you can't recognize yourself in a mirror.

i did not, nor will i ever read what you actually wrote. i just skimmed it to see that you were impotently screaming into the void and made fun of you for being simultaneously compelled to stick around where you arent wanted but too cowardly to openly seek confrontation.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

The powerful rule because they fought for the right to rule.

Then "right" just means "won". Redefining ethics into physics again.

Getting drafted isn't voluntary but it is nessicary at times

Necessity is just a way to rename slavery.

There is no way to protect your rights without an enforcement mechanism.

Enforcing rights by violating them nullifies the concept.

The markets got rid of neither. It was heavy regulation that got rid of both.

Markets created wealth that made slavery uneconomical and exposure visible. States codified both and killed to preserve them.

Its called having a heart.

A heart that enforces its heartbeat on gunpoint isn't compassion.

Piracy. Slavery. Chemicals being dumped in the water. Horrible safety standards. The list goes on.

Every one of these persisted under states and ended through commerce, technology, and social exposure, and not through the moral perfection of bureaucrats.

i did not, nor will i ever read what you actually wrote. i just skimmed it to see that you were impotently screaming into the void and made fun of you for being simultaneously compelled to stick around where you arent wanted but too cowardly to openly seek confrontation.

Congratulations on confessing to illiteracy. Here, I'll reproduce what it says above the reply box in a font that's a bit more legible:
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[regalterry]

Enforcing rights by violating them nullifies the concept.

You want to fuck dogs, I don't want to let you fuck dogs. How do your propose we resolve this issue?

Mind you, this isn't me not wanting you to fuck dogs on my land or in my presence, this is me not wanting to let you fuck dogs at all, ever, under any circumstance.

 

[Neodanthril]

illiteracy

on the subject, did you miss the title of the thread?

 

[WelperHelper99]

Then "right" just means "won". Redefining ethics into physics again.

That is life.

Necessity is just a way to rename slavery.

You get to leave after. It's not.

Enforcing rights by violating them nullifies the concept.

Arresting people that prey on others is protecting the rights of others. Lol.

Markets created wealth that made slavery uneconomical and exposure visible. States codified both and killed to preserve them.

States killed to end them. Your argument is moot.

A heart that enforces its heartbeat on gunpoint isn't compassion.

It is for the person that gets through his cancer.

Every one of these persisted under states and ended through commerce, technology, and social exposure, and not through the moral perfection of bureaucrats.

No. The clean water act is what cleaned up the river. The US Navy continues to blow pirates out of the sea. OSHA enforces workplace safety standards. Slavery was ended at gunpoint. Wrong.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

His response to libertarians wanting people to die because they can't afford healthcare is to posit axioms and call it "moral vanity." Saving lives is moral vanity to this retard? The guy is totally brain dead.

He thinks countries that have healthcare provided by taxes are selfish enough not to care about people dying from cancer and going bankrupt from it. He's too idiotic to realize society believed otherwise, from experience, and rejected his stupid premise because they understand the consequences of his beliefs. Healthcare systems exist largely because of society's concern for people needlessly dying from not having access to healthcare. That's why, in the U.S., it is illegal to deny people life-saving healthcare if they can't pay for it. People have no problem with it.

The guy is totally autistic and detached from reality. People are not as selfish and uncaring as he is. That's why his ideas will never gain traction and why his political ideology will never be relevant. Libertarians have no understanding of humans at all, and they consistently show it.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

You want to fuck dogs, I don't want to let you fuck dogs. How do your propose we resolve this issue?

Mind you, this isn't me not wanting you to fuck dogs on my land or in my presence, this is me not wanting to let you fuck dogs at all, ever, under any circumstance.

Are you mistaking me with someone? Regardless, nobody needs a state to forbid bestiality, property and consent cover that in two lines.

on the subject, did you miss the title of the thread?

I joined to point out that the Libertarian Party is fundamentally broken. Either way, if you want to be a containment pin for sneering and not discussion, then mission accomplished.

That is life.

Again, description and not justification.

You get to leave after. It's not.

Temporary slavery is still slavery.

Arresting people that prey on others is protecting the rights of others. Lol.

Arresting aggressors is protection, drafting and taxing peaceful people isn't.

States killed to end them.

States preserved slavery for centuries and ended it by mass killing, markets made it untenable.

The clean water act is what cleaned up the river. The US Navy continues to blow pirates out of the sea. OSHA enforces workplace safety standards. Slavery was ended at gunpoint.

All reactive after private damage suits and innovation made the problems visible. Markets were ahead of the bureaucrats, not the other way around. Bureaucracies arrive after discovery and take credit.

His response to libertarians wanting people to die because they can't afford healthcare is to posit axioms and call it "moral vanity." Saving lives is moral vanity to this retard? The guy is totally brain dead.

He thinks countries that have healthcare provided by taxes are selfish enough not to care about people dying from cancer and going bankrupt from it. He's too idiotic to realize society believed otherwise, from experience, and rejected his stupid premise because they understand the consequences of his beliefs. Healthcare systems exist largely because of society's concern for people needlessly dying from not having access to healthcare. That's why, in the U.S., it is illegal to deny people life-saving healthcare if they can't pay for it. People have no problem with it.

The guy is totally autistic and detached from reality. People are not as selfish and uncaring as he is. That's why his ideas will never gain traction and why his political ideology will never be relevant. Libertarians have no understanding of humans at all, and they consistently show it.

Saving lives is good, forcing payment under threat isn't compassion. "Society decided" is a majoritarian cope and not amoral standard. Your healthcare example concedes the point, the work is done by coercion and not by care.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Saving lives is good, forcing payment under threat isn't compassion.

"Saving lives is good, but I don't support doing anything that would actually do it." Libertarian ethics in practice.

"Society decided" is a majoritarian cope and not amoral standard.

Clearly humans aren't altruistic, and are Randian retards who think people dying from a lack of healthcare is a better alternative, right? Your "compassion." That's why they totally subscribe to your ridiculous beliefs.

You don't even understand morality.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

"Saving lives is good, but I don't support doing anything that would actually do it."

You mean forcing others to do it. Compulsion isn't compassion.

You don't even understand morality.

I understand it well enough to not confuse it with taxation.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Temporary slavery is still slavery.

Serving your nation is honorable.

Arresting aggressors is protection, drafting and taxing peaceful people isn't.

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasers

States preserved slavery for centuries and ended it by mass killing, markets made it untenable.Co

Lol. It still continues. We just call it human trafficking. A crime nowadays, punished by the state.

All reactive after private damage suits and innovation made the problems visible. Markets were ahead of the bureaucrats, not the other way around. Bureaucracies arrive after discovery and take credit.

Ah. The no u. The lawsuits are only temporary with further enforcement. Like laws. Also lawsuits are via the state.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Serving your nation is honorable.

Honor doesn't justify coercion. Forced "service" is still slavery.

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceasers

Since when is a slogan from the Bible an ethical argument? Go on and name the principle that turns taking into owning.

[Slavery] still continues. We just call it human trafficking. A crime nowadays, punished by the state.

Labeling a crime doesn't grant moral credit to the monopolist that spent centuries preserving it. Punishing traffickers is protection, conscripting and taxing peaceful people is aggression.

lawsuits are via the state.

The mechanism of the venue doesn't change the driver of discovery and correction. By that I mean private victims, private incentives, and private information. Enforcement != state monopoly

 

[WelperHelper99]

Honor doesn't justify coercion. Forced "service" is still slavery.

Life is tough sometimes. Endure it.

Since when is a slogan from the Bible an ethical argument? Go on and name the principle that turns taking into owning.

The money wasn't yours. You live in a state. You pay them a tithe. Nothing is free.

Labeling a crime doesn't grant moral credit to the monopolist that spent centuries preserving it. Punishing traffickers is protection, conscripting and taxing peaceful people is aggression.

Anything is aggression to you. You live a soft life.

The mechanism of the venue doesn't change the driver of discovery and correction. By that I mean private victims, private incentives, and private information. Enforcement != state monopoly

Oh but it does, stalker child. Lawsuits prevent violence. It's how we solve our grievances. It is a wonderful thing provided by the state.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

You mean forcing others to do it. Compulsion isn't compassion.

Forcing people to not exhibit anti-social behavior, like letting people die for not having the ability to afford healthcare, is compassion. Compassion is stopping evil acts, acts you clearly endorse, like letting people with cancer die for not having enough money.

I understand it well enough to not confuse it with taxation.

You just believe most people don't mind paying taxes when it serves societal interests like preventing from dying. No sane person agrees with you. It's why libertarians are politically irrelevant in the first place. You are just in your own little world and nobody can help you dude.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

Life is tough sometimes. Endure it.

Description still isn't justification. Hardship doesn't sanctify coercion.

The money wasn't yours. You live in a state. You pay them a tithe. Nothing is free.

Presence under threat isn't consent. Calling tribute "yours" after taking it is just renaming, not owning.

Anything is aggression to you.

Aggression is the initiation of conflict against peaceful persons. Punishing aggressors is defense, conscription and taxation of the peaceful are aggression.

Lawsuits prevent violence. It's how we solve our grievances. It is a wonderful thing provided by the state.

Adjudication is not some state miracle. The correction comes from victims, evidence, and incentives, the venue can be competitive. A monopoly court takes credit for work it didn't create.

Forcing people to not exhibit anti-social behavior, like letting people die for not having the ability to afford healthcare, is compassion.

Compulsion is obedience, not virtue. Calling extortion moral doesn't change its form.

most people don't mind paying taxes

Majority appetite isn't ethics. The mob's comfort doesn't turn theft into duty.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Compulsion is obedience, not virtue. Calling extortion moral doesn't change its form.

"Compassion" is when you let people die because they don't have enough money. Compassion isn't when society chips in to save people from dying by giving people access to healthcare to pay for cancer treatment. That doesn't sound like morality. That's just the devil using your body as a conduit. Anyone who takes moral advice from you is clearly someone on the path to hell.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Description still isn't justification. Hardship doesn't sanctify coercion.

It does. Life is hard. Sometimes you have to deal with hardship.

Presence under threat isn't consent. Calling tribute "yours" after taking it is just renaming, not owning.

You live in a country. Pay your taxes. It is the same as rent. You can choose to go to jail.

Aggression is the initiation of conflict against peaceful persons. Punishing aggressors is defense, conscription and taxation of the peaceful are aggression.

Taxation is literally just life. Nobody enjoys it. You pay it because that is the way it is. The tax man doesn't care about your morals lol. Conscription just happens. It is your duty as a citizen to fight for your country.

Adjudication is not some state miracle. The correction comes from victims, evidence, and incentives, the venue can be competitive. A monopoly court takes credit for work it didn't create.

The correction comes from a judge sentencing a murderer to death. No corpo has the right to do that. The state does.

 

[XL xQgg?QcQCaTYDMjqoDnYpG]

"Compassion" is when you let people die because they don't have enough money. Compassion isn't when society chips in to save people from dying by giving people access to healthcare to pay for cancer treatment. That doesn't sound like morality. That's just the devil using your body as a conduit. Anyone who takes moral advice from you is clearly someone on the path to hell.

Refusing to force payment is not "letting people die". Absence of a claim on others is not homicide. Charity is compassion, taxation is compulsion. Calling extortion "care" doesn't make it virtuous.

It does. Life is hard. Sometimes you have to deal with hardship.

And hardship never sanctifies coercion.

taxes. It is the same as rent.

Wrong. Rent presupposes consent and title. A threat isn't a contract.

You can choose to go to jail.

Nice extortion you got there.

It is your duty as a citizen to fight for your country.

Asserting a "duty" without principle is just coping with obedience.

The correction comes from a judge sentencing a murderer to death. No corpo has the right to do that. The state does.

A judge's power to kill is not a moral argument for monopoly. Authority is force, not justification.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Refusing to force payment is not "letting people die". Absence of a claim on others is not homicide. Charity is compassion, taxation is compulsion. Calling extortion "care" doesn't make it virtuous.


And hardship never sanctifies coercion.

Choose to go to jail. Your choice.

Wrong. Rent presupposes consent and title. A threat isn't a contract.

You get to live in the country if you pay taxes. You get to live in a cell if you dont.

Nice extortion you got there.

It is still your choice. You cannot escape consequences.

Asserting a "duty" without principle is just coping with obedience.

Its cope to be a traitor and coward.

A judge's power to kill is not a moral argument for monopoly. Authority is force, not justification.

A judge has authority because people decided they needed the state to arbitrate crimes and disputes. It's why the state exists. People willed it.

 

[Frederica Bernkastel]

Refusing to force payment is not "letting people die".

You are defending people dying from cancer because they can not afford healthcare. You're okay if people die because you value money over people's lives. There's no need to run away from a premise you've brilliantly established so far. You've made it clear you're a misanthrope like all libertardians.

Charity is compassion, taxation is compulsion.

Taxation is the price you pay for civilization. Just go live in the woods if it's too hard for you to be a productive member of society and contribute back to it. Surely you pay so much in taxes you could do so well on your own without any help.